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    Re: Does not just happen to Tech... UNLV too. Coach only lasted one week

    Quote Originally Posted by StrayDawg View Post
    I have lived in Las Vegas for almost 15 years, and this coaching hire has easily been the biggest clown show I have seen during that time. Even worse than the idiot politicians. The AD might be fired soon, and if she isn't, then her contract will not be renewed when it expires in December. She extended the contract of a football coach (Bobby Hauck) only to fire him the next season and leave the school on the hook for his buyout. She extended Dave Rice as basketball coach last year, only to cave in to pressure from two or three boosters and fire him halfway through this season. Another buyout. Stacey Augmon was an asst. coach and everyone wanted him to be the interim coach after Rice was fired, but she opted for another assistant who only had two years of head coaching experience at the high school level because that coach was close friends with a big booster.

    The rumors have been swirling that Rick Pitino would be fired at Louisville, and UNLV put together a package that would pay him $4 million/year, but he is staying at Louisville. So, when they began their "coaching search" to replace Rice, they contacted Mick Cronin at Cincinnati. They offered him a package that would have paid him $3 million/year, but he turned it down and stayed at Cincinnati. They then interviewed two other candidates before hiring Beard. Finally someone noticed that every coach they interviewed uses the same agent as the UNLV AD (Tina Kunzer-Murphy). She essentially used her agent as a search firm. And, her agent used it to his advantage by using the UNLV interviews as leverage to get raises for his clients at their schools. The result was that UNLV didn't get the guys they targeted, and they looked really bad getting turned down so many times. Several prominent coaches were interested in the job, but none of them were interviewed.

    The Nevada Board of Regents changed their rules this year, saying that any university contract over a certain amount of money (I can't remember the exact amount right now) must be approved by the regents before the contract is signed. When UNLV agreed to terms with Beard, his contract was going to average $1 million/year, so the regents had to approve it at their next hearing, which wasn't held until two weeks later. That prevented Beard from recruiting or hiring assistants during that time because he was not officially the coach. Signing day was this past Wednesday. The UNLV president broke protocol by signing Beard to the contract before it had been approved by the Regents, which pissed them off. So, when the regents finally had their meeting, they were mad at the president, but instead of chastising him, they had what basically amounted to a two hour trial for Chris Beard, and Beard was sitting there getting grilled by these idiots. One regent told him he was lucky to get the job, another told him that he didn't deserve the money. Just a bunch of grandstanding by a few bozos hoping to run for office one day. At the end of the hearing, they held a vote on Beard's contract and it was only approved by a vote of 9-4. I have never heard of an incoming coach, who had done nothing wrong, being treated that way so publicly, so I wasn't surprised when he bolted a few days later.

    Marvin Menzies (New Mexico State) was the other finalist for the job when they hired Beard, so they moved pretty quickly to hire him after Beard left, and nobody is excited about the Menzies hire. George Karl was fired by the Sacramento Kings, and he wanted the UNLV job, and wanted a salary of $2 million, but they refused to pay it. So, they were going to pay $4M for Pitino and $3M for Cronin, but they wouldn't pay $2M for Karl. As his assistants, Karl was going to hire Augmon, John Welch (a former Tarkanian assistant at UNLV and Fresno, and has been on Karl's staff ever since), and he was somehow going to involve Tim Grgurich, Tark's right hand man during the glory days. He was basically going to put the band back together and I think he could have done really well. But, that would have made too much sense, so they hired Menzies instead and claimed that it was because they didn't have time to go back to the boosters and raise the $2M for Karl's salary.

    In the meantime, several players have declared for the NBA draft, or asked to be released so they can transfer to another school. The recruits who were committed are now in limbo, and a few of them will likely go wherever former assistant coach Ryan Miller goes. So, for several weeks, they have had no coach, no recruits, and only about 5 players on the team for next season.

    The whole process has made the president, AD and Board of Regents look like a bunch of absolute fools. They deserve every bit of it.
    Amazing........ Thanks for the information. We should feel lucky in all our programs compared to this.

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    Re: Does not just happen to Tech... UNLV too. Coach only lasted one week

    Quote Originally Posted by DawgBark View Post
    Sometimes people on the BBB think when something goes differently than what they think it should, or if a coach leaves quickly (Konkol's associate head coach for 13 days - Matt McMahon), coaches move to another university or something bad happens at tech (Summitt)... they act like either Tech is the only school that it happens to, or claims the AD is totally clueless, a coach is terrible, student section doesn't know how to cheer, an athlete is lazy, etc... The reality is that crazy stuff happens at colleges all over the country. It's not worse at LATECH. As StayDawg so clearly spelled out some places are a disaster, and I'm thankful we're not in the mess UNLV is in. LaTech is a great place with room to grow and in recent years has grown and I believe will continue to grow. Good days are ahead for Louisiana Tech.
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    Re: Does not just happen to Tech... UNLV too. Coach only lasted one week

    Quote Originally Posted by DawgBark View Post
    Sometimes people on the BBB think when something goes differently than what they think it should, or if a coach leaves quickly (Konkol's associate head coach for 13 days - Matt McMahon), coaches move to another university or something bad happens at tech (Summitt)... they act like either Tech is the only school that it happens to, or claims the AD is totally clueless, a coach is terrible, student section doesn't know how to cheer, an athlete is lazy, etc... The reality is that crazy stuff happens at colleges all over the country. It's not worse at LATECH. As StayDawg so clearly spelled out some places are a disaster, and I'm thankful we're not in the mess UNLV is in. LaTech is a great place with room to grow and in recent years has grown and I believe will continue to grow. Good days are ahead for Louisiana Tech.
    I knew it was something recent but I couldn't remember the specifics. I don't think we could really blame the guy for moving from assistant to HC at Murray State.
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    Re: Does not just happen to Tech... UNLV too. Coach only lasted one week

    Here is a follow-up article about the contract that Menzies received. He is going to make considerably less money than they offered Beard, and it looks like he is talking some of the potential transfers into staying. Good move by him to stop the bleeding and create some stability.

    I'm posting this because his contract contains a lot of incentives, and we have discussed one of them on BB&B several times in the past.

    He can earn up to $200,000 each of the first three seasons at UNLV if ticket revenue hits $3.6 million. That financial figures increases to a maximum of $250,000 each of the final two seasons.
    Is it fair to put this in his contract? Ultimately, he agreed to it, so he must not have a big problem with it. I have heard a lot of fans express displeasure with the way this hire was handled, and some are talking about not renewing season tickets. If that happens, it would obviously decrease ticket revenue. It doesn't seem fair for him to lose money because his President and AD are a couple of dum-dums. On the other hand, it will encourage him to get out in the community and market the program.

    Only getting a $60K bonus for a national championship is pretty lame.

    http://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/...ake-less-chris

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    Re: Does not just happen to Tech... UNLV too. Coach only lasted one week

    Quote Originally Posted by StrayDawg View Post
    Here is a follow-up article about the contract that Menzies received. He is going to make considerably less money than they offered Beard, and it looks like he is talking some of the potential transfers into staying. Good move by him to stop the bleeding and create some stability.

    I'm posting this because his contract contains a lot of incentives, and we have discussed one of them on BB&B several times in the past.



    Is it fair to put this in his contract? Ultimately, he agreed to it, so he must not have a big problem with it. I have heard a lot of fans express displeasure with the way this hire was handled, and some are talking about not renewing season tickets. If that happens, it would obviously decrease ticket revenue. It doesn't seem fair for him to lose money because his President and AD are a couple of dum-dums. On the other hand, it will encourage him to get out in the community and market the program.

    Only getting a $60K bonus for a national championship is pretty lame.

    http://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/...ake-less-chris
    That whole contract looks pretty lame. I thought UNLV was much more "big time" than that.

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    Re: Does not just happen to Tech... UNLV too. Coach only lasted one week

    Quote Originally Posted by HogDawg View Post
    That whole contract looks pretty lame. I thought UNLV was much more "big time" than that.
    It looks like Menzies really wanted out of New Mexico St.

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    Re: Does not just happen to Tech... UNLV too. Coach only lasted one week

    Quote Originally Posted by HogDawg View Post
    That whole contract looks pretty lame. I thought UNLV was much more "big time" than that.
    This weekend, I heard that the athletic department is about $8 million in the red. I don't know if that is true, but it was the first thing I thought of when I saw that they tied ticket revenue to his bonus. UNLV basketball is still highly thought of, but they have the same money problems that Tech and other G5 schools have.

    Quote Originally Posted by deb025
    It looks like Menzies really wanted out of New Mexico St.

    No doubt. They are being kicked out of the Sun Belt, and the future is uncertain. He could have easily been paid the same money that Beard got if he had just held out for a day or two.

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    Re: Does not just happen to Tech... UNLV too. Coach only lasted one week

    Quote Originally Posted by StrayDawg View Post
    I have lived in Las Vegas for almost 15 years, and this coaching hire has easily been the biggest clown show I have seen during that time. Even worse than the idiot politicians. The AD might be fired soon, and if she isn't, then her contract will not be renewed when it expires in December. She extended the contract of a football coach (Bobby Hauck) only to fire him the next season and leave the school on the hook for his buyout. She extended Dave Rice as basketball coach last year, only to cave in to pressure from two or three boosters and fire him halfway through this season. Another buyout. Stacey Augmon was an asst. coach and everyone wanted him to be the interim coach after Rice was fired, but she opted for another assistant who only had two years of head coaching experience at the high school level because that coach was close friends with a big booster.

    The rumors have been swirling that Rick Pitino would be fired at Louisville, and UNLV put together a package that would pay him $4 million/year, but he is staying at Louisville. So, when they began their "coaching search" to replace Rice, they contacted Mick Cronin at Cincinnati. They offered him a package that would have paid him $3 million/year, but he turned it down and stayed at Cincinnati. They then interviewed two other candidates before hiring Beard. Finally someone noticed that every coach they interviewed uses the same agent as the UNLV AD (Tina Kunzer-Murphy). She essentially used her agent as a search firm. And, her agent used it to his advantage by using the UNLV interviews as leverage to get raises for his clients at their schools. The result was that UNLV didn't get the guys they targeted, and they looked really bad getting turned down so many times. Several prominent coaches were interested in the job, but none of them were interviewed.

    The Nevada Board of Regents changed their rules this year, saying that any university contract over a certain amount of money (I can't remember the exact amount right now) must be approved by the regents before the contract is signed. When UNLV agreed to terms with Beard, his contract was going to average $1 million/year, so the regents had to approve it at their next hearing, which wasn't held until two weeks later. That prevented Beard from recruiting or hiring assistants during that time because he was not officially the coach. Signing day was this past Wednesday. The UNLV president broke protocol by signing Beard to the contract before it had been approved by the Regents, which pissed them off. So, when the regents finally had their meeting, they were mad at the president, but instead of chastising him, they had what basically amounted to a two hour trial for Chris Beard, and Beard was sitting there getting grilled by these idiots. One regent told him he was lucky to get the job, another told him that he didn't deserve the money. Just a bunch of grandstanding by a few bozos hoping to run for office one day. At the end of the hearing, they held a vote on Beard's contract and it was only approved by a vote of 9-4. I have never heard of an incoming coach, who had done nothing wrong, being treated that way so publicly, so I wasn't surprised when he bolted a few days later.

    Marvin Menzies (New Mexico State) was the other finalist for the job when they hired Beard, so they moved pretty quickly to hire him after Beard left, and nobody is excited about the Menzies hire. George Karl was fired by the Sacramento Kings, and he wanted the UNLV job, and wanted a salary of $2 million, but they refused to pay it. So, they were going to pay $4M for Pitino and $3M for Cronin, but they wouldn't pay $2M for Karl. As his assistants, Karl was going to hire Augmon, John Welch (a former Tarkanian assistant at UNLV and Fresno, and has been on Karl's staff ever since), and he was somehow going to involve Tim Grgurich, Tark's right hand man during the glory days. He was basically going to put the band back together and I think he could have done really well. But, that would have made too much sense, so they hired Menzies instead and claimed that it was because they didn't have time to go back to the boosters and raise the $2M for Karl's salary.

    In the meantime, several players have declared for the NBA draft, or asked to be released so they can transfer to another school. The recruits who were committed are now in limbo, and a few of them will likely go wherever former assistant coach Ryan Miller goes. So, for several weeks, they have had no coach, no recruits, and only about 5 players on the team for next season.

    The whole process has made the president, AD and Board of Regents look like a bunch of absolute fools. They deserve every bit of it.
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    Re: Does not just happen to Tech... UNLV too. Coach only lasted one week

    Quote Originally Posted by DJDAWG View Post
    This sorry ass leopard, Duggie35, stole your thunder and didn't even give you or BBB credit. In cajun land, "The End Justify the Means".

    http://www.raginpagin.com/louisiana/...-to-UNLV/page3 (post 41)
    Well, just add plagiarism to their list of talents.

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    Re: Does not just happen to Tech... UNLV too. Coach only lasted one week

    Quote Originally Posted by DJDAWG View Post
    This sorry ass leopard, Duggie35, stole your thunder and didn't even give you or BBB credit. In cajun land, "The End Justify the Means".

    http://www.raginpagin.com/louisiana/...-to-UNLV/page3 (post 41)
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    Re: Does not just happen to Tech... UNLV too. Coach only lasted one week

    And UNLV is on Merrill Holden's list of possibles?

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    Re: Does not just happen to Tech... UNLV too. Coach only lasted one week

    Quote Originally Posted by CutiePie72 View Post
    And UNLV is on Merrill Holden's list of possibles?
    Yes, but UNLV goes after tons of transfers. When Singleton transferred to Miss. St. last year, UNLV was also on his list. The coaches out here are always looking for guys like that, and will probably look for several this season since they are losing quite a few players. Holden could get playing time here, but UNLV needs guards more than big men. That's just my two cents.

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