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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by inudesu View Post
    I think the over-arching point is that while the "lesser of two evils" thinking in the American political process has its place, there are limits. And he gives examples (of both cases). He has voted for people he disagreed with on some topics (anyone who has voted has done this). But he gives other examples where both candidates crossed lines he wasn't comfortable with and he voted third party or write-in.

    My point in bringing it up (again) is that it's certainly true to some extent that sometimes our political process encourages us to vote for the least bad choice but that it's ok to stick to principles when neither choice is palatable. Everyone's line is going to be different, and Trump won't be across that line for everyone who disagrees with him. But not voting or voting third party or writing in a vote isn't simply "doubling the value of some diehard's vote" as if you're abdicating responsibility for the outcome.
    I posted that quote to stimulate some thought and debate. And i can 100% agree with everything you typed above, including your last sentence. But, not abdicating responsibility for the outcome...not voting does technically double the value of some brainwashed idiot who doesn't do his or her research and votes on a whim or based on some lunatic ideology. I wouldn't include voting third party or writing in a vote.

    I might write in "Jesus."

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    That's not my argument. My argument is that those who say "that's not true" are not basing that opinion on anything other than wishful thinking.
    I totally agree with you. I will probably pull the lever, but I am simply HOPING he is better. He has done nothing to make me believe he is better. I don't think he would sit by and watch while our people died, but, he did give lots of money to the one that did, so who knows. My vote will be simply hoping against hope he is better than the known criminal.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by RhythmDawg View Post
    I posted that quote to stimulate some thought and debate. And i can 100% agree with everything you typed above, including your last sentence. But, not abdicating responsibility for the outcome...not voting does technically double the value of some brainwashed idiot who doesn't do his or her research and votes on a whim or based on some lunatic ideology. I wouldn't include voting third party or writing in a vote.

    I might write in "Jesus."
    Trump is across that line for me. I really believe he may be worse for America than Hillary but that doesn't mean I will vote for Hillary. Fortunately I don't have to make that choice. I can mire my vote in "wasted" territory. I can look at the Trump campaign and I see very little that resembles the virtues I value in leadership. I actually see more of those in Hillary. As far as his stated platform? His actions far outweigh his words. It isn't a matter of hoping he MIGHT be better. I think it is pretty clear he won't be.

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    It's odd seeing Doug Wilson articles posted on here, to be honest.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by weunice View Post
    Trump is across that line for me. I really believe he may be worse for America than Hillary but that doesn't mean I will vote for Hillary. Fortunately I don't have to make that choice. I can mire my vote in "wasted" territory. I can look at the Trump campaign and I see very little that resembles the virtues I value in leadership. I actually see more of those in Hillary. As far as his stated platform? His actions far outweigh his words. It isn't a matter of hoping he MIGHT be better. I think it is pretty clear he won't be.
    i agree with you in a bunch of ways, but the potential of him not being better is clear to you, not necessarily to everyone else.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    “I have a great relationship with God. I have a great relationship with the Evangelicals. In fact, nationwide, I’m up by a lot, I’m leading everybody. But I like to be good. I don’t like to have to ask for forgiveness. And I am good. I don’t do a lot of things that are bad. I try to do nothing that is bad…I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't….I think repenting is terrific… If I make a mistake, yeah, I think it’s great. But I try not to make mistakes. I mean, why do I have to, you know, repent, why do I have to ask for forgiveness if you’re not making mistakes. I work hard. I’m an honorable person.”

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    It seems that a substantial group may have expected the Clinton's to bribe some folks, commit some extortion, even murder a few people to get Hilary back in the white house. But it doesn't seem like many people would have thought they could pull this thing off with Trump.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ChipDog View Post
    It seems that a substantial group may have expected the Clinton's to bribe some folks, commit some extortion, even murder a few people to get Hilary back in the white house. But it doesn't seem like many people would have thought they could pull this thing off with Trump.
    I've been saying it since DT entered the race. This is one of the very few situations where Hillary actually has a shot.

    Still trying to figure out what Trump gets in return. It's gotta be YUUUUUGE!

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    I've been saying it since DT entered the race. This is one of the very few situations where Hillary actually has a shot.

    Still trying to figure out what Trump gets in return. It's gotta be YUUUUUGE!
    I also am on record right here on BBB with you saying the same thing. The cost of our being right however may be YUUUUGE!

    I still do not believe DT ever wanted to be pres so that magnifies you question of, "what does he want from the Clintons in return?"

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ChipDog View Post
    I also am on record right here on BBB with you saying the same thing. The cost of our being right however may be YUUUUGE!

    I still do not believe DT ever wanted to be pres so that magnifies you question of, "what does he want from the Clintons in return?"
    I don't know guys.....The word is that the day after Romney lost (choked) that Trump filed a patient on the phrase "Make America Great Again". And yes I'm serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    I don't know guys.....The word is that the day after Romney lost (choked) that Trump filed a patient on the phrase "Make America Great Again". And yes I'm serious.
    Patent?

    I'm not questioning the automatic spell check change, I know you meant patent, which is what I am questioning, nay disputing.
    It's time to close the doors to the Temple of Janus.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Soonerdawg View Post
    Patent?

    I'm not questioning the automatic spell check change, I know you meant patent, which is what I am questioning, nay disputing.
    "The Rights to or Trademark" might be more appropriate. I'm not sure why but the guy on TV said patent. Trademark is probably the right word and action that Trump took to secure the phrase.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    The young people of this country hate Hillary. They are who elected Obama, and without their support, Hillary will get her ass kicked in November by Trump. The old worn out, stale, Republican establishment might as well get used to The Don.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by brtransplant View Post
    The young people of this country hate Hillary. They are who elected Obama, and without their support, Hillary will get her ass kicked in November by Trump. The old worn out, stale, Republican establishment might as well get used to The Don.
    The young people don't like Trump either. They will stay home, which is a vote for Trump. That vote went democrat the last two elections.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    I love this even if Newt didn't write it.

    Gingrich view of Trump....really interesting
    This is one that I am forwarding to everyone.....Conservative and Republicans to solidify their belief – Democrats and RINOs to open their eyes to the facts – Independents to get them off the fence and just plain Americans who have felt abandoned and forgotten by all of the aforementioned groups. Read it, comprehend it and if you agree with it, do what I just did...FORWARD IT to as many people as you can and inform everyone.


    Gingrich view of Trump....really interesting; read it all.


    "Understanding Donald Trump"
    FromThe Washington Times, by Newt Gingrich

    Donald Trump is a genuine phenomenon. He may or may not become the Republican nominee for president. He may or may not win the presidency even if he becomes the nominee. Yet it is clear that he is a phenomenon and that any history of the 2016 presidential race will have to spend a good bit of time analyzing Trump and his impact.


    From the time he announced on June 16, Trump has dominated social and mainstream media. He dominates the conversation despite the lack of paid advertising. Trump says outrageous things and his supporters shrug it off. At every turn, his poll numbers continue to rise.

    As a step toward understanding this amazing performance, I spent part of the Christmas break reading his first bestseller, ‘The Art of the Deal’. Written in 1987, this book is a classic among American business books and has influenced a generation of entrepreneurs. Trump wrote ‘The Art of the Deal’ when he was 41 years old and having a successful run. The book’s popularity contributed to Time Magazine’s decision to feature Donald Trump on its cover in January 1989.

    The portrait that emerges from this easy-to-read and remarkably interesting book is of an aggressive, ambitious person who is constantly pushing, constantly learning, and always seeking the next challenge. Reporters and analysts who are trying to understand Trump would be well served by slowing down and reading this nearly three-decade-old bestseller.

    They would discover that Donald Trump has developed a remarkable set of rules and principles that allow him to make decisions with incredible speed. Trump knows a lot, but what is amazing is how rapidly he figures out what he doesn’t know.

    My favorite story is of the Wollman Skating Rink in New York’s Central Park.

    The Wollman Rink was a heavily used public skating rink which had fallen into disrepair in 1980. New York City tried for six years to fix it, spent $13 million, and the rink still was not ready to open. In June of 1986 Trump, who could see the rink from his apartment, finally got tired of the embarrassment and offered to fix the rink at his own expense. At first the city turned him down because its bureaucracy did not want to be embarrassed by someone fixing something they couldn’t fix. Trump kept pushing and finally out of embarrassment the city gave in.

    The key part of the story is Trump’s reaction to being put in charge. He promptly recognized that he didn’t know anything about fixing a skating rink. He asked himself who built a lot of skating rinks. “Canadians!” he concluded. He found the best Canadian ice skating rink construction company. When the Canadians flew in to assess the situation, they were amazed at how bad the city had been at solving the problem. They assured Trump that this was an easy job. Trump fixed the six year embarrassment two months ahead of schedule and nearly $800,000 under-budget. (The city did end up paying for the work, and Trump donated the profits to charity.)


    After reading this chapter you begin to think that maybe Donald Trump really could build a wall along our southern border for a lot less than our current government estimates.


    ‘The Art of the Deal’ is filled with stories like this — stories of common sense stories of calculated risk taking, and stories of innovation and marketing.Anyone who would like to better understand Donald Trump would be helped by reading this remarkable book.


    Another is his pledges and I have no way of knowing if he will make good on all of them but I do agree with all of them. Trump is the only candidate that is serious about building The Wall"! Two other important pledges Trump has made that no other candidate of either party has matched! First, deportation of millions of illegals that are demanding and costing American taxpayers billions of dollars and second, closing 34 Muslim training camps throughout our country! I WOULD LIKE TRUMP OR ANY OTHER CANDIDATES PLEDGE TO REINSTATE ANY AND ALL MILITARY OFFICERS DISCHARGED BECAUSE THEY DISAGREED WITH OBAMA OR HIS POLICIES!!


    Here is another that kind of wraps up my feelings about Trump.Raccoon's in your basement! An interesting analogy.


    You've been on vacation for two weeks, you come home, and your basement is infested with raccoon's. Hundreds of rabid, messy, mean raccoons have overtaken your basement. You want them gone immediately so you hire a guy. A pro. You don't care if the guy smells, you need those raccoon's gone pronto and he's the guy to do it! You don't care if the guy swears, you don't care if he's an alcoholic, you don't care how many times he's been married, you don't care if he voted for Obama, you don't care if he has plumber's crack...you simply want those raccoon's gone!

    You want your problem fixed! He's the guy. He's the best. Period. That's why we need Trump. Yes, he's a bit of an ass. Yes, he's an egomaniac, but you don't care.

    The country is a mess because politicians suck, the Republican Party is two-faced & gutless, illegals are everywhere. You want it all fixed! You don't care that Trump is crude, you don't care that he insults people, you don't care that he had been friendly with Hillary, you don't care that he has changed positions, you don't care that he's been married 3 times, you don't care that he fights with Megyn Kelly and Rosie O'Donnell, you don't care that he doesn't know the name of some Muslin terrorist,...this country is weak, bankrupt, our enemies are making fun of us, we are being invaded by illegal's, we are becoming a nation of victims where every Tom, Ricardo and Hamad is a special interest group with special rights to a point where we don't even recognize the country we were born and raised in.

    “AND WE JUST WANT IT FIXED” and Trump is the only guy who seems to understand what the people want.

    You're sick of politicians, sick of the Democratic Party, Republican Party, and sick of illegal's. You just want this thing fixed. Trump may not be a saint, but doesn't have any lobbyist money influencing him, he doesn't have political correctness restraining him, all you know is that he has been very successful, a good negotiator, he has built a lot of things, and he's also not a politician, so he's not a cowardly politician. And he says he'll fix it. You don't care if the guy has bad hair. You just want those raccoon's gone. Out of your house!

    This one is more about why we don’t want Hillary.I think this sums it up well!

    Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are in a bar. Donald leans over, and with a smile on his face, says,

    "The media are really tearing you apart for That Scandal."
    Hillary: "You mean my lying about Benghazi?"

    Trump: "No, the other one."

    Hillary: "You mean the massive voter fraud?"

    Trump: "No, the other one."

    Hillary: "You mean the military not getting their votes counted?"

    Trump: "No, the other one."

    Hillary: "Using my secret private server with classified material to Hide my Activities?"

    Trump: "No, the other one."

    Hillary: "The NSA monitoring our phone calls, emails and everything Else?"

    Trump: "No, the other one."

    Hillary: "Using the Clinton Foundation as a cover for tax evasion, hiring cronies, and taking bribes from foreign countries?

    Trump: "No, the other one."

    Hillary: "You mean the drones being operated in our own country without The Benefit of the law?"

    Trump: "No, the other one."

    Hillary: "Giving 123 Technologies $300 Million, and right afterward it Declared Bankruptcy and was sold to the Chinese?"

    Trump: "No, the other one."

    Hillary: "You mean arming the Muslim Brotherhood and hiring them in the White House?"

    Trump: "No, the other one."

    Hillary: "Whitewater, Watergate committee, Vince Foster, commodity Deals?"

    Trump: "No the other one:"

    Hillary: "The IRS targeting conservatives?"

    Trump: "No the other one:"

    Hillary: "Turning Libya into chaos?"

    Trump: "No the other one:"

    Hillary: "Trashing Mubarak, one of our few Muslim friends?"

    Trump: "No the other one:"

    Hillary: "Turning our backs on Israel?"

    Trump: "No the other one:"

    Hillary: "The joke Iran Nuke deal? "

    Trump: "No the other one:"

    Hillary: "Leaving Iraq in chaos? "

    Trump: "No, the other one."

    Hillary: "The DOJ spying on the press?"

    Trump: "No, the other one."

    Hillary: "You mean HHS Secretary Sibelius shaking down health insurance Executives?"

    Trump: "No, the other one."

    Hillary: "Giving our cronies in SOLYNDRA $500 MILLION DOLLARS and 3 Months Later they declared bankruptcy and then the Chinese bought it?"

    Trump: "No, the other one."

    Hillary: "The NSA monitoring citizens' ?"

    Trump: "No, the other one."

    Hillary: "The State Department interfering with an Inspector General Investigation on departmental sexual misconduct?"

    Trump: "No, the other one."

    Hillary: "Me, The IRS, Clapper and Holder all lying to Congress?"

    Trump: "No, the other one."

    Hillary: "Threats to all of Bill's former mistresses to keep them quiet"

    Trump: "No, the other one."

    Hillary: “You means taking the $145,000,000.00 from Putin for the Uranium Bribe ? “

    Trump : “ No the other one .”

    Hillary: "I give up! ... Oh wait, I think I've got it! When I stole the White House furniture, silverware and China when Bill left Office?"


    Trump: "THAT'S IT! I almost forgot about that one".

    **********

    Everything above is true. Yet she still gets the Democratic votes. Could there be that many stupid people in this country?

    Does anyone understand this? If not, I think we're doomed!

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