And in the end, they will get more press--not for their temerity, but for their foolishness.Originally Posted by StrayDawg
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And in the end, they will get more press--not for their temerity, but for their foolishness.
Thank you!
You really have trouble following the important points, don't you?Interested how you figure that, given that there are maybe 15 million Mormons in the world, and maybe about 6 million in the United States ??
Not sure why. That's a silly excuse to not invite a good athletic program. Scheduling around Sundays just isn't that tough. We're not talking about the NFL here.
Probably not too difficult for football, but it could still be a rare conflict. Think politics which has entered into the BYU/Big 12 discussion. As you know the Big12 would cave to the PC police in a heart beat.
MBB could bring on many Sunday conflicts.
WBB, Baseball, and other minor sports would likely cause constant Sunday conflicts.
BYU announced almost immediately they would accept a football only membership into the Big12. They still want a no Sunday guarantee. The Big12 will not give that guarantee, if for no other reason, political correctness.
Mormons don't waiver in their tenets.
The Mormon church gave up polygamy when that practice became a political hot potato, so to say that Mormons don't waiver in their tenets is total BS. They'll also find a way to justify playing ball on Sunday's if that's what it takes to get their program into a P5 conference. Don't kid yourself, the Mormons are just as greedy as every other religion, and none of them let anything come between themselves and money.
When it became a political hot potato? They officially renounced it in 1890.
I'm not a Mormon. They are wrong in their theology. I respect their consitent belief system. If they were all about money they'd be playing on Sundays.
Don't get me wrong, I dearly wish Tech was on that list. But I do not want Tech ridiculed in articles on conference realignment or expansion like Arkansas State. That is not the kind of publicity we need. When Tech gets mentioned in such reports, I want to see positive statements like those for Boise State and others. And I often hope our athletics department and university administration are diligently working behind the scenes building rapport with conferences like the Big-12 and their members so we are viewed favorably.
Arkansas State getting on the list after it was made public reminds me of Arnold Horshack on "Welcome Back Kotter."
Last edited by dawg1984; 08-22-2016 at 01:12 PM. Reason: Changed 2nd sentence so it makes more sense.
They renounced it for Utah to become eligible for statehood
...and only a very small percentage participated.
My point stands. They are a very dedicated and disciplined group. They will not give on the Sunday play issue.
In regards to BYU...
They are very happy with their non football teams competing in the WCC (which is usually a 3 bid basketball league).
They will never participate in a Sunday sporting event. Even the NCAA tourney puts them in a bracket so it will not conflict with that. They will forfeit if it comes down to it and have in the past. Same gender weddings will happen before they play on Sundays.
I can see a win/win here for the Big XII by just bringing them in for football. In the near future it will no longer be about your (imaginary) geographical footprint, it is going to be about your digital footprint. Who out of that bunch of 17 schools has a bigger potential footprint.
The University of Utah already has the state of Utah and Salt Lake City area for the PAC 12. I don't see the Big 12 being able to compete with the PAC 12 in Utah. I see no advantage for the Big 12 to take BYU unless they think they can turn Texans into mormons and I definitely wouldn't count on that.
BYU is a bigger deal in Utah than U of U is. This is like saying the SEC can't compete in Florida because of Florida State.
Population of Utah---2.3 million
Population of Florida---19.9 million
Not a good comparison.
That may have been true 30 years ago but Utah has has had some good teams in recent years. The PAC 12 definitely wins out over the Big 12 because the PAC 12 is much closer to Utah than the Big 12. Both Utah and BYU have to recruit most of their players from out of state and Utah has the advantage of recruiting California because they're in the PAC 12.
This completely misunderstands the dynamics of the Utah/BYU rivalry. Except for UU alums, Mormons root for BYU whether they attended that school or not*. It's the school of Mormons, in and outside of the state And, of course, BYU has fans outside the state. Fans who didn't go to BYU. Fans who've never spent more than a vacation in Utah. That's why they were able to get their own TV contract in a way that few schools could, earning more per home game than most G5 earn in a season. They had football attendance of 60k when they were playing in the Mountain West Conference, and outdraw Utah in basketball despite Provo and despite playing in the WCC instead of the Pac-12.
* - The flipside of the coin is that non-Mormons like myself will vaguely root for Utah in that rivalry, but not with nearly the same degree of enthusiasm.
University of Houston '01. Any references to "we" or "us" likely refer to UH. Cheers!
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