President Trump

[Guisslapp]

So looking more into this story. It appears that not only is FoxNews reporting but their contributors are also the source of the "facts."

Meanwhile the family seems to be unconvinced of the connection to Wikileaks

"We are a family who is committed to facts, not fake evidence," the family said in a statement earlier Tuesday.

"The services of the private investigator who spoke to press was offered to the Rich family and paid for by a third party, and contractually was barred from speaking to press or anyone outside of law enforcement or the family unless explicitly authorized by the family."

"Rich's family, which has previously sought help from the public in uncovering information about their son's death, had been seeking help in solving their son's murder.

The Dallas-based financial adviser, Ed Butowsky, a Fox News contributor who has written articles for Breitbart News, contacted the parents of Seth Rich and urged them to hire a private investigator to look into the death of their 27-year-old son, who was shot and killed last July in what police say was a robbery gone wrong. Butowsky offered to cover the fees and connect them with an investigator, according to Brad Bauman, a spokesman for the family.

The Rich family hired the detective who had been recommended, Rod Wheeler, a former D.C. homicide detective who is also a Fox News contributor and who last month tweeted a photo of himself at the White House captioned, "Doing my part to Make America Great Again!"

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/whit...eories-n760186

You really have to take everything FoxNews reports with a grain of salt. Even I wouldn't have expected them to have done something quite this sleazy.

[PawDawg]

That is absolutely correct. Republicans would be flipping their shit if it was Hillary doing this as POTUS. I do wonder if we would even find out though.

I would not have been reported on any of the socialst networks like CNN.

[Guisslapp]

I would not have been reported on any of the socialst networks like CNN.

History proves otherwise. I think you hate is misplaced and likely the result of overexposure to FoxNews and the like.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...ent/index.html

[RhythmDawg]

Sure. That said, the average voter will never KNOW (as you've described it) anything that's not in a written policy or letter. So the question is whether or not you give the person in question the benefit of the doubt and assume that they are acting in the best interest of the country and not just mouthing off.

But whether or not we trust the POTUS isn't the issue. The issue is people drawing conclusions and pushing a political agenda based on incomplete information, regardless of whether or not we trust that person...because ultimately, we don't know.

[johnnylightnin]

But whether or not we trust the POTUS isn't the issue. The issue is people drawing conclusions and pushing a political agenda based on incomplete information, regardless of whether or not we trust that person...because ultimately, we don't know.

How can complete information be obtained? Particularly by the everyday voter? Neither side of the isle wants the voters to have complete information.

Perhaps you're right about whether we trust reports about the POTUS, but every POTUS in my memory has a track record of their own words that are more than enough for most to draw a conclusion about their general trustworthiness.

[dawg80]

The U.S. officials told Reuters that Trump revealed the information to the Russians without consulting the ally that provided it, which threatens to jeopardize a long-standing intelligence-sharing agreement.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/po...KCN18C19Y?il=0

It was Israel. Doubt this will have any effect on our relationship with them, since we have a real president now who honors our alliance with Israel. Unlike that piece of shit obummer who tried to destroy Israel.

[dawg80]

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/05...-to-wikileaks/

Yep, this guy was murdered to protect Killary. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a boob.

Just add him to the list of victims, now numbering 60+ (known). And that doesn't include those killed as collateral damage. Remember Ron Brown was murdered to keep him from testifying against Slick Willy. Unfortunately all 30 people on that plane died too. Really, they were all murdered by the klintons.

[Guisslapp]

It was Israel. Doubt this will have any effect on our relationship with them, since we have a real president now who honors our alliance with Israel. Unlike that piece of shit obummer who tried to destroy Israel.

A feeble-minded soccer watcher might think this is "just Israel" (though Reuters appears to not be convinced of that despite WSJ, CNN and NYT reports), but even if Israel is the ally - they don't want the info to get to Iran - Russia's ally. And Israel and other intel allies are going to think twice about sharing intel when we have someone with loose lips and no impulse control in the White House.

[LATechBanjo]

Sigh...... rinse, repeat...

[RhythmDawg]

How can complete information be obtained? Particularly by the everyday voter? Neither side of the isle wants the voters to have complete information.

Perhaps you're right about whether we trust reports about the POTUS, but every POTUS in my memory has a track record of their own words that are more than enough for most to draw a conclusion about their general trustworthiness.

We can't. That's exactly my point. Thus the reason why people should not draw politically motivated conclusions. There are plenty of decisions that presidents have made that looked awful...but years later when details and context were provided, people's opinions changed.

Furthermore, every single president makes mistakes in their actions and speech, every single one lies to the people intentionally or unintentionally, every president keeps information from the people. Every president's transition into their first term is disorganized. Trump's is no different, for better or worse...it is simply being politicized and publicized more than in the past.

[RhythmDawg]

The fact that we have current and former intelligence officials leaking all this stuff kind of speaks for itself.

and what exactly does it speak? Because what you think it speaks might be wrong...or it may be your inference and not everyone else's. What it speaks to me is that we have current and former government officials sworn to protect me who think that leaking sensitive information for political purposes is more important than protecting me. I have a problem with that. If being a whistleblower is important, there are other ways to do it. The way it is being done is obviously political.

[RhythmDawg]

This is the question that interests me. Obama and HRC would be crucified in "conservedom" if they did exactly what Trump did.

That doesn't mean THAT crucifixion would be warranted, but while flying the banner of those who've been wronged by bias and double standards, it certainly seems hypocritical (not speaking of those on the board per se but folks like Hannity would be going ballistic if the shoe was on the other foot.)

Every politically motivated conservative would...just like the politically motivated liberals are now. Me personally, I would understand that I don't have all the information. If a law is broken, like the laws HRC broke, yeah I'd be ticked. Otherwise, I would give them the benefit of the doubt because I don't know what they know. This was my approach to a bunch of Obama's decisions.

[RhythmDawg]

That is absolutely correct. Republicans would be flipping their shit if it was Hillary doing this as POTUS. I do wonder if we would even find out though.

I agree with this, but so what? I'm happy to call out people on both sides. And I agree also that we would never have found out.

[RhythmDawg]

I'll offer this...and I apologize that I can't provide any details at this time. I'll bookmark this post and give the details one day. It may be a movie one day, and I'm not kidding...there has been an offer to buy the rights.

There is a pending issue involving an American and a foreign government that originated with the first gulf war. It is bad...you would not believe how bad. I can't say how I am involved. But, for 6 years this issue has been trying to be resolved and a foreign government keeps playing games. Obama and Kerry got involved but got nothing done. A few recent actions by Trump give us reason to believe that in his first visit to Saudi Arabia to meet with the gulf state leaders this weekend, he is going to get it done. If he does, I won't need anything more to convince me of the man's integrity and intention in his service as our POTUS.

I'll let you know if he gets it done. If it hits the news, I'll link it.

[Guisslapp]

Self destructive behavior is a hallmark trait of NPD. Our POTUS checks all the boxes.