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Washington is a 180 from any business model we can imagine. There is a reason it takes guys time to become part of the system. Nobody goes in with any pull in year 1.Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
It is partially on the media if you consider NONE of the Obama or Hillary charges reported on or pursued they way this Russian Collusion crap has been pursued.
Should they have been?
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
Comey's interpretation, understanding, assumption, belief, inference, or whatever is not proof that he is correct. His understanding is not proof of Trump's intent.
And I am not trying to defend Trump here, because what you posted somewhere else in this thread...something like "at a minimum it is inappropriate and unethical" - I'm paraphrasing - I fully agree with you. But nothing Comey wrote is proof that Trump obstructed justice. People can...and are...make it seem like that, but there is no definitive proof. Even if Comey testifies that he fully believes that Trump was attempting to obstruct, that is making assumptions about his intent. What he said, for what it is, is NOT obstruction.
Comey could have questioned Trump..."Are you asking me to drop the investigation?" "Are you telling me that I need to drop the investigation?" "Are you directing me to drop the investigation?" Comey didn't ask anything like that. He should have to get clarification from the POTUS if he felt uncomfortable. This, in my opinion, is a display of huge lack of judgement on behalf of Comey...and I think more so that Trump's. trump is a business guy, not a politician and not the FBI director. I expect him to make mistakes. Trump, as a business guy, has a team of lawyers to advise him on the law. I can understand why Trump did what he did...although I wouldn't have done it. But I get it. He wanted Comey to be like his other advisers. I think that is Trump's mistake, as that desire was misplaced. Comey knows better than to just leave it how he left it...or he should, anyway. In fact, he should have advised Trump at that point on what obstruction of justice is and how what he was doing could be construed as just that. When he arrived at the white house and realized that it was just the two of them, Comey should have advised Trump right then and there, and left, and told him exactly why. Trump is the kind of person who I believe would respond very well to that. Comey did nothing to inform him of the law, and in my opinion, he should have.
I believe Comey is mostly at fault in all of this. I believe Trump is at fault through ignorance...which is not an excuse. But that also has a major bearing on his lack of intent...quite similar to HRC's issue.
A lot of folks don't share that opinion...and apparently Comey was one. That seems understandable after the "job security" comments from Trump.
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
Not if you were a liberal socialist democrat media member trying to protect the the first black president or promoting the first woman president.
I'm asking you.
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
Yes, there were many things the media completely ignored regarding Obama's screw ups. Do you need a list? Just because they ignored them doesn't mean they didn't happen. The biggest lie still being told to protect Obama is the Obamacare disaster. There are so many other mishandled issues...
Same with Hillary, but that crap goes back to when they were still in Arkansas. The media has ignored their documented corruption for decades.
I agree (with the caveat that Trump supports keeping the provisions that make Obamacare a disaster).
You know that I agree that the media doesn't treat republicans (and Trump) the same that they treat democrats, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't investigate things like this. In other words, the fact that they are hypocrites doesn't mean that they are wrong. If you thought the Obama and HRC investigation should've gone forward, I don't see why you would oppose the Russia investigation going forward...other than the fact that Trump is (for the moment) a republican. That's a bad reason.
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
I agree with almost everything you said. The underlined/bolded are the only things I would differ on. I don't think Trump would handle it well, but that is just my opinion. I doubt Trump would confront him right then. But I have no doubt there would be some payback.
I think Hillary for sure should face charges. I can't see how anyone who has ever held a security clearance can say that there was no intent there. They make it very clear how classified material is to be handled. Sending something on your gmail account is open and shut. Setting up the private server and lying about whether any of the documents were marked is just lagniappe.
Just because they didn't pursue Hillary doesn't mean they shouldn't pursue the Russia thing though. That's not what I'm saying. I just don't think there should be as much speculation until some actual facts come out. I do believe they pursue and present stories like this with much more fervor and passion than they would for negative stories against someone on their side. It's natural that we pursue things we are passionate about more than those we are not, but you would hope the media has a passion for truth. I don't think that's the case any more.
I agree with all of that. Also, to your point about pursuing what people are passionate about...Comey leaked his memos to the press before he even gave them to Congress. Wait...what? 1. Apparently the Senators don't care about that...which is a major issue, and 2. that is reason enough for Trump to fire him, if Trump knew about it.
Bonus 3. McCain has serious problems. Did any of you guys listen to him question Comey? It's retirement time, no doubt.
He leaked the memo after he was fired and after Trump starting saying stupid stuff about the firing. He said they were not classified. Gave the details to a "friend" at Columbia Law School and told them to get it to the press.
There's nothing there, but it is a major distraction.
Trump won an election was was and EASY win for Hillary and the other socialist. That is KILLING them.
Meanwhile some good is still being done...http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...istrict-judges
Oops! Comey just lied under oath. He said why and when he leaked his own memos, but the poor traitor bastard missed his mark by a day. The Times had it the day before he says he leaked it.
You can't know there's nothing there until you investigate.
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