President Trump

[saltydawg]

Obamacare being good for America.

Obamacare is better than Trumpcare.

[PawDawg]

Obamacare is better than Trumpcare.

What is good about it? Only the poor and sick like it. You think a $2,000/month tax for a family of four making $100K per year is good?

[saltydawg]

What is good about it? Only the poor and sick like it. You think a $2,000/month tax for a family of four making $100K per year is good?

No, it is not good but not providing medical care to the poor and sick is worse.

Like I said many times before, the whole health care system in the USA has to be reformed. The USA currently is spending about 17% of its GNP on health care. Most industrialized countries spend 10% or less and have better health than we do. If we don't act we will be spending 25% of our GNP on health care because the system is based on greed.

[PawDawg]

No, it is not good but not providing medical care to the poor and sick is worse.

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Another of your liberal/socialist talking points

The poor and sick were getting care before Obamacare. In many cases better care.

[RhythmDawg]

No, it is not good but not providing medical care to the poor and sick is worse.

Like I said many times before, the whole health care system in the USA has to be reformed. The USA currently is spending about 17% of its GNP on health care. Most industrialized countries spend 10% or less and have better health than we do. If we don't act we will be spending 25% of our GNP on health care because the system is based on greed.

An excellent example of you spouting off talking points on an issue you know nothing about. Do you know WHY those numbers are what they are? No. Do you know how to fix them? No. Is Obamacare the correct answer? No. Is Trumpcare the correct answer? No. But you seem to think it has to be one or the other.

Just my hospitals, by themselves, write off over $100million annually to bad debt and charity care. That total has not decreased under Obamacare. And for every penny of it...a medical service was provided to the poor and sick with no expectation of collecting that penny.

[saltydawg]

An excellent example of you spouting off talking points on an issue you know nothing about. Do you know WHY those numbers are what they are? No. Do you know how to fix them? No. Is Obamacare the correct answer? No. Is Trumpcare the correct answer? No. But you seem to think it has to be one or the other.

Just my hospitals, by themselves, write off over $100million annually to bad debt and charity care. That total has not decreased under Obamacare. And for every penny of it...a medical service was provided to the poor and sick with no expectation of collecting that penny.

$100 million is peanuts in the health care system. Why does the USA spend 17% of its GNP on health care while other industrialized countries spend 10% or less and have better health?

Like I said, I think we can do better than either Obamacare or Trumpcare. BTW, go break a leg and see if you can get it set without health insurance or cash.

[JuBru]

Our quality of healthcare is best in the world.

Our lifestyle is one of the worst.

[saltydawg]

Our quality of healthcare is best in the world.

Our lifestyle is one of the worst.

If you have the right health insurance plan/coverage.

I can just imagine a LA Tech tailgate party. But a lot of industrialized countries smoke, drink and party like it is 1999.

[dawg80]

21st capitalism is where, because of the complexity and advancement of modern technology, the government has to guide the direction that the free market economy follows. Take, for example, artifical intelligence. Elon Musk just stated the other day that AI poses a serious threat to humanity and that the development of that technology needs to be guided. Another example would be climate change caused by greenhouse gases.

That sounds like 20th century capitalism in this country. The federal guvmint has always felt the need to stick its nose into things. Sometimes, with good reason, and sometimes just to exert their power and to advance a leftist agenda. Dealing with new technology is nothing new either. I bet you can remember when the electric light bulb was first introduced...

[dawg80]

Obamacare is better than Trumpcare.

What exactly is Trumpcare? I haven't seen any such thing. I do know that obummercare is imploding. Think I heard Nevada is down to just one health insurance provider. Where's Dirty Harry when you need him? Oh, that's right, as a retired senator he has another HC system.

[Cool Hand Clyde]

The socialized system for healthcare that Obama, Hillary, and Bernie want was to be implemented in California by Governor Moonbeam. It would cost $500 billion+ so he gave up.

http://reason.com/blog/2017/05/23/ca...alth-care-cost

[RhythmDawg]

$100 million is peanuts in the health care system. Why does the USA spend 17% of its GNP on health care while other industrialized countries spend 10% or less and have better health?

Like I said, I think we can do better than either Obamacare or Trumpcare. BTW, go break a leg and see if you can get it set without health insurance or cash.

Item 1: I said my hospitals. You have no idea how many hospitals I have. You have no idea what the number is for all hospitals. And that doesn't include medical practices. And you don't know what the actual costs of healthcare are, but youthink you do because you read them on a website or heard a politician say it or some academic study printed it or the CBO published it. But those numbers are all inflated, and they are not 100% representative of the cost of care.

Item 2: I can explain it to you, but I'd need a bunch of charts and graphs, and you still wouldn't get it.

Item 3: yes we can. We actually agree.

Item 4: don't be a smarta$$. I can't because I don't meant anyone's charity care criteria. But I personally have authorized bad debt writeoffs and charity care adjustments totaling in the millions of dollars. There were plenty of broken bones in there. Don't be stupid. Your comment is insinuating that I don't know anything about healthcare. You want a list of all the hospitals in the country in which you can go break your own leg and get it set without paying a dime if you meet charity care criteria? I can point you to several. There are 18 in louisiana off the top of my head within 30 minutes north or south of I20 alone.

It also includes every hospital that takes Medicare and Medicaid...which is almost every acute care hospital in the country. A condition of participation with governmental plans is to have a charity care program.

[OLDBLUE]

Item 1: I said my hospitals. You have no idea how many hospitals I have. You have no idea what the number is for all hospitals. And that doesn't include medical practices. And you don't know what the actual costs of healthcare are, but youthink you do because you read them on a website or heard a politician say it or some academic study printed it or the CBO published it. But those numbers are all inflated, and they are not 100% representative of the cost of care.

Item 2: I can explain it to you, but I'd need a bunch of charts and graphs, and you still wouldn't get it.

Item 3: yes we can. We actually agree.

Item 4: don't be a smarta$$. I can't because I don't meant anyone's charity care criteria. But I personally have authorized bad debt writeoffs and charity care adjustments totaling in the millions of dollars. There were plenty of broken bones in there. Don't be stupid. Your comment is insinuating that I don't know anything about healthcare. You want a list of all the hospitals in the country in which you can go break your own leg and get it set without paying a dime if you meet charity care criteria? I can point you to several. There are 18 in louisiana off the top of my head within 30 minutes north or south of I20 alone.

It also includes every hospital that takes Medicare and Medicaid...which is almost every acute care hospital in the country. A condition of participation with governmental plans is to have a charity care program.

No comment. Just thought it was worth repeating.

[saltydawg]

Item 1: I said my hospitals. You have no idea how many hospitals I have. You have no idea what the number is for all hospitals. And that doesn't include medical practices. And you don't know what the actual costs of healthcare are, but youthink you do because you read them on a website or heard a politician say it or some academic study printed it or the CBO published it. But those numbers are all inflated, and they are not 100% representative of the cost of care.

Item 2: I can explain it to you, but I'd need a bunch of charts and graphs, and you still wouldn't get it.

Item 3: yes we can. We actually agree.

Item 4: don't be a smarta$$. I can't because I don't meant anyone's charity care criteria. But I personally have authorized bad debt writeoffs and charity care adjustments totaling in the millions of dollars. There were plenty of broken bones in there. Don't be stupid. Your comment is insinuating that I don't know anything about healthcare. You want a list of all the hospitals in the country in which you can go break your own leg and get it set without paying a dime if you meet charity care criteria? I can point you to several. There are 18 in louisiana off the top of my head within 30 minutes north or south of I20 alone.

It also includes every hospital that takes Medicare and Medicaid...which is almost every acute care hospital in the country. A condition of participation with governmental plans is to have a charity care program.

Then why the desire for insurance that covers pre-existing conditions? Why are there so many people without insurance before Obamacare?

I mentioned the broken leg because somebody I know who is poor broke his leg and the doctor wanted $2800 to set it. I guess if one is in one of the poorest parts of the country the charity monies get used up quickly.

[dawg80]

Oh my God! Nope!

I'm sorry, salty, but it's time for some tough love here. You're nuts! and that simply won't fly here. I know the libtard media is TRYING to hook Trump with the total failure that is obummercare. Not a single Repub voted for obummercare, this is ALL on the 'craps. Trump wanted to sign the repeal of obummercare on day one, but it's the RINOs who have dropped the ball.

Look, I suppose you are on other forums/blogs and maybe that bullshit that Trump "owns" obummercare might fly among the low-information crowd, but not here. We know better. Please don't insult our intelligence.

But, we're still pals!