Civil War monument topic

[PawDawg]

What does the Bible say about building statues to false idols such as Confederate generals?

Good point, but this is not about worship of idols, it is about the right to worship idols or in this case, admire them. You should be good with that. The ACLU is.

Just an FYI, so I am not labeled as a Nazi or Racist like Trump... I've never felt the need to flaunt my Southern heritage. It's not something I think about or am concerned about. Some folks are in to that. They have that right.

[johnnylightnin]

Good point, but this is not about worship of idols, it is about the right to worship idols or in this case, admire them. You should be good with that. The ACLU is.

Just an FYI, so I am not labeled as a Nazi or Racist like Trump... I've never felt the need to flaunt my Southern heritage. It's not something I think about or am concerned about. Some folks are in to that. They have that right.

They are free to worship Hitler or Robert E. Lee if they want, but not on government owned property right?

[PawDawg]

They are free to worship Hitler or Robert E. Lee if they want, but not on government owned property right?

They had a permit didn't they? Enough of the "worship Robert E Lee" stuff. Do your really put Robert E Lee and Hitler in the same category?

[Cool Hand Clyde]

Enough of the "worship Robert E Lee" stuff.

The original and modern versions are pretty nice

https://www.google.com/search?biw=13...TMH4_x0Cg7hqM:

[LATechBanjo]

Not afraid of a damned thing! I say put up MORE Confederate monuments. And not just to our gallant soldiers, but to the philosophy that was the Confederacy. People have a right to self-government, self-determination. And that is the REAL answer to the rhetorical question I posed....well, maybe not rhetorical to a moron like you, devoid of real historical knowledge. Or...maybe you do know, but you're one of the evil One-Worlders and understand completely. Which is it, Dirty, are you just ignorant or are you evil?

Study of the civil war is incredibly important, in my humble opinion, so that you can compare the prevailing view of federalism prior to Lincoln's election and then after the surrender. Our country's view of the role of the federal government changed radically from that point forward after the hostilities ceased. It is still a worthy debate and point to bring up.

One of the many great tragedies of the civil war is that these higher-minded ideals of the confederacy (and states at large) you mentioned, espoused in principle by the founding fathers, became hopelessly entangled with the evil of slavery and racial animus.

I take a federalist view in regards to the monuments: If the locals or state governments decide to remove them through lawful means, let them do so. It's the job of the citizens and elected leaders to voice their opinions eloquently and convincingly.

[johnnylightnin]

They had a permit didn't they? Enough of the "worship Robert E Lee" stuff. Do your really put Robert E Lee and Hitler in the same category?

You're changing the subject. You said they had the right to worship these statues and I'm responding that they don't have the right to keep these statues on government property.

Am I wrong? Don't forget that they were protesting the removal (not destruction) of a statue on State property.

I don't see Lee and Hitler the same way. I think Lee would be appalled at these statues. I think my grandfather and many in the great generation would be appalled that many on the right are falling over themselves to defend Nazi scum (but that's neither here nor there).

[Cool Hand Clyde]

I think my grandfather and many in the great generation would be appalled that many on the right are falling over themselves to defend Nazi scum (but that's neither here nor there).

They would also be alarmed at the acceptance of communist aggression and violence in the United States. Many of those leftists would label you as "nazi scum" so be careful in your alignment with them.

[PawDawg]

You're changing the subject. You said they had the right to worship these statues and I'm responding that they don't have the right to keep these statues on government property.

Am I wrong? Don't forget that they were protesting the removal (not destruction) of a statue on State property.

I don't see Lee and Hitler the same way. I think Lee would be appalled at these statues. I think my grandfather and many in the great generation would be appalled that many on the right are falling over themselves to defend Nazi scum (but that's neither here nor there).

I didn't intend to change the subject. I understand your question now. Yes if the "legal authority" says remove it, it will be removed. The protesters still have the right to peacefully protest that decision.

This is the rub...Who is defending Nazi Scum? You used "many" as a description. Do you know anybody personally who would support a Nazi or a White Nationalist? This whole thing was immediately turned into an opportunity to group Trump and Trump supporters as Nazi sympathizers and White Nationalist. I could see it coming way back when the "Alt Right" term began to pop up.

It's amazing how manipulative the media can be and also amazing how many are indoctrinated by the alt-left.

[Dirtydawg]

Here's what I asked my black friend one day when he was complaining about how slaves were treated. Where do you think you would be today if your ancestors had not been slaves? He's a very smart and successful guy.

So all blacks in the U.S. are descended from slaves?

[johnnylightnin]

They would also be alarmed at the acceptance of communist aggression and violence in the United States. Many of those leftists would label you as "nazi scum" so be careful in your alignment with them.

Irrelevant

[Dirtydawg]

Not afraid of a damned thing! I say put up MORE Confederate monuments. And not just to our gallant soldiers, but to the philosophy that was the Confederacy. People have a right to self-government, self-determination. And that is the REAL answer to the rhetorical question I posed....well, maybe not rhetorical to a moron like you, devoid of real historical knowledge. Or...maybe you do know, but you're one of the evil One-Worlders and understand completely. Which is it, Dirty, are you just ignorant or are you evil?

"Not one of us is good"; so, probably a little bit of both with a great deal of naivete to boot. However, I'm not so ignorant or blind that I can't see hatred disguised and excused. Why are you so full of hate? The only One-World I anxiously anticipate is the one world ruled over by OUR Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Pretty evil, right? Other than that, I'm pretty much an isolationist. And the reason I anxiously await His return is because I'm ready to throw off this diseased body, and have not a single doubt that I won't. Why do you fear His coming in Glory to claim His unified kingdom?

[LATechBanjo]

I didn't intend to change the subject. I understand your question now. Yes if the "legal authority" says remove it, it will be removed. The protesters still have the right to peacefully protest that decision.

This is the rub...Who is defending Nazi Scum? You used "many" as a description. Do you know anybody personally who would support a Nazi or a White Nationalist? This whole thing was immediately turned into an opportunity to group Trump and Trump supporters as Nazi sympathizers and White Nationalist. I could see it coming way back when the "Alt Right" term began to pop up.

It's amazing how manipulative the media can be and also amazing how many are indoctrinated by the alt-left.

Not to quibble too much, but the term Alt-Right was self-applied. It is a real, disgusting movement that is worth paying attention to. But to say it's not racially motivated is incorrect. Their own champions will tell you what it's about in their own words. The left is trying to bulk everyone else on the right in with them.

I recommend giving Ben Shapiro's show a listen (the first one after Saturday). It's got good stuff on Antifa and the alt-right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67zCG-KPWfQ&t=674s

[Dirtydawg]

Good point, but this is not about worship of idols, it is about the right to worship idols or in this case, admire them. You should be good with that. The ACLU is.

Just an FYI, so I am not labeled as a Nazi or Racist like Trump... I've never felt the need to flaunt my Southern heritage. It's not something I think about or am concerned about. Some folks are in to that. They have that right.

I'm very proud and do flaunt my Southern heritage. Some of the greatest writers in the American canon of literature are tried and true Southerners.

[saltydawg]

So this is what we turn into after asking God to leave our classromms and courtrooms? (or have we asked Him to leave our lives as well?)

Turn on anyone who disagrees and resort to namecalling? Are we trying to relate truth, or just to tear down or silence anyone who disagrees by getting louder and meaner?

Pro 18:6 A fool's lips enter into contention, and his mouth calleth for strokes.
Pro 18:7 A fool's mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul.
Ecc 10:12 The words of a wise man's mouth are gracious; but the lips of a fool will swallow up himself.
Ecc 10:13 The beginning of the words of his mouth is foolishness: and the end of his talk is mischievous madness.
Ecc 10:14 A fool also is full of words: a man cannot tell what shall be; and what shall be after him, who can tell him?

Been there, done that, then, thank God, got humbled and realized who was really winning, hope to never return. WE will account for every word.

Cowpatty - Venting emotions, in general, is not reasoning, nor love, but all about self. (it is much better when we "do all to the glory of God" -1 Cor. 10:31)

Much more importantly, Jesus said "Go and sin no more." {hoping to hear stones drop.}


Yep! I didn't want to post this, I just had to.

I'm glad you did.

[Dirtydawg]

The original and modern versions are pretty nice

https://www.google.com/search?biw=13...TMH4_x0Cg7hqM:

Now there's no debating that.