Immigration

[dawg80]

As distasteful as it might be, we have to make illegal immigration unattractive by treating illegals in as harsh of ways as possible...with limits, of course. It has to get to the point when people in other countries say to themselves, no way am I gonna try to invade the US illegally. It's not worth the risks. Nothing good will come from it for me, or for my family. At the same time, we need to tweak our legal immigration laws and processes to make it easier....how much easier? well it can't just be a revolving door, but right now it is complicated, somewhat expensive, and time-consuming.

I don't mean paths to US citizenship, although those processes can use some tweaking too. I am speaking strictly about legal immigration. Those that do it right have to deal with federal bureaucracy which is not the most efficient/effective organization(s). It really requires only some tweaking.

And there's this. The overall quality of those seeking legal immigration is considerably better....much better....than the mostly uneducated dregs who try to sneak in. And they come for different reasons too.

[inudesu]

Was Sessions Right?

https://mereorthodoxy.com/romans-13-...s-immigration/

I liked this one, too.

[Champ967]

As distasteful as it might be, we have to make illegal immigration unattractive by treating illegals in as harsh of ways as possible...

The overall quality of those seeking legal immigration is considerably better....much better....

Requesting asylum at official entry points is legal immigration.

[dawg80]

Requesting asylum at official entry points is legal immigration.

Need to REALLY tighten up on that. That's one of the easiest ways to enter "illegally," i.e. under false pretenses. There have been cases when those who were admitted via asylum demanded, not just requested mind you, but demanded to be allowed to return to their home country for some reason or another. They had entered saying their lives were in danger and if turned away at one of these "official entry points" they would most certainly be killed. When questioned about their demand to return home, as in, aren't you afraid you'll be killed? The immigrants threatened all kinds of civil action, and of course found a willing libtard attorney to represent them. Most of those "I'll be killed" cases were lies...of course. Duh!

Our immigration laws are too lax, too easy to get around. And there are too many fools who are too willing to accept the immigrants version of things. Ah, there wouldn't be any such folks on this board, eh?

[Champ967]

You moved the cheese.

[Guisslapp]

As distasteful as it might be, we have to make illegal immigration unattractive by treating illegals in as harsh of ways as possible...with limits, of course. It has to get to the point when people in other countries say to themselves, no way am I gonna try to invade the US illegally. It's not worth the risks. Nothing good will come from it for me, or for my family. At the same time, we need to tweak our legal immigration laws and processes to make it easier....how much easier? well it can't just be a revolving door, but right now it is complicated, somewhat expensive, and time-consuming.

I don't mean paths to US citizenship, although those processes can use some tweaking too. I am speaking strictly about legal immigration. Those that do it right have to deal with federal bureaucracy which is not the most efficient/effective organization(s). It really requires only some tweaking.

And there's this. The overall quality of those seeking legal immigration is considerably better....much better....than the mostly uneducated dregs who try to sneak in. And they come for different reasons too.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PoncXfYBAVI

Test: are you a human being?

[TYLERTECHSAS]

And yet the usual liberal socialist and double standard
Dems love separating children from the parents even before birth.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

And yet the usual liberal socialist and double standard
Dems love separating children from the parents even before birth.

Oh and here is a great article showing one of the laws that needs changing.


"That’s because of something called the Flores Consent Decree from 1997. It says that unaccompanied children can be held only 20 days. A ruling by the Ninth Circuit extended this 20-day limit to children who come as part of family units. So even if we want to hold a family unit together, we are forbidden from doing so.
The clock ticking on the time the government can hold a child will almost always run out before an asylum claim is settled. The migrant is allowed ten days to seek an attorney, and there may be continuances or other complications.
This creates the choice of either releasing the adults and children together into the country pending the ajudication of the asylum claim, or holding the adults and releasing the children. If the adult is held, HHS places the child with a responsible party in the U.S., ideally a relative (migrants are likely to have family and friends here).
Even if Flores didn’t exist, the government would be very constrained in how many family units it can accommodate. ICE has only about 3,000 family spaces in shelters. It is also limited in its overall space at the border, which is overwhelmed by the ongoing influx. This means that — whatever the Trump administration would prefer to do — many adults are still swiftly released."

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...ids-at-border/

[Guisslapp]

Oh and here is a great article showing one of the laws that needs changing.


"That’s because of something called the Flores Consent Decree from 1997. It says that unaccompanied children can be held only 20 days. A ruling by the Ninth Circuit extended this 20-day limit to children who come as part of family units. So even if we want to hold a family unit together, we are forbidden from doing so.
The clock ticking on the time the government can hold a child will almost always run out before an asylum claim is settled. The migrant is allowed ten days to seek an attorney, and there may be continuances or other complications.
This creates the choice of either releasing the adults and children together into the country pending the ajudication of the asylum claim, or holding the adults and releasing the children. If the adult is held, HHS places the child with a responsible party in the U.S., ideally a relative (migrants are likely to have family and friends here).
Even if Flores didn’t exist, the government would be very constrained in how many family units it can accommodate. ICE has only about 3,000 family spaces in shelters. It is also limited in its overall space at the border, which is overwhelmed by the ongoing influx. This means that — whatever the Trump administration would prefer to do — many adults are still swiftly released."

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...ids-at-border/

Very familiar with Flores v. Reno as immigration was the debate topic for high school debate back in 1995-96, when this case was going up on appeal.

I don’t believe you believe for a second that the “law” should be changed in this regard. The Supreme Court majority opinion was by Scalia and upheld the constitutionality of the law in question.

However, by its plain language, the law in question, 8 U.S.C.S. 1252(a)(1), provides that an alien detained pending a deportation hearing generally may, in the discretion of the United States Attorney General, be

(1) continued in custody;
(2) released under a bond containing such conditions as the Attorney General may prescribe; or
(3) released on conditional parole.

Notice that this still leaves the treatment in the discretion of the Attorney General, and well, we know Sessions/Trump policy in that regard.

[dawg80]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PoncXfYBAVI

Test: are you a human being?

Oh! so Trump's shock troopers are going into these foreign countries and kidnapping kids from their parents? Well, that just isn't it right and needs to stop.

[Guisslapp]

Oh! so Trump's shock troopers are going into these foreign countries and kidnapping kids from their parents? Well, that just isn't it right and needs to stop.

Hate to think what side you would have been on if you were a German in the 1940s.

[DawgyNWindow]

Oh! so Trump's shock troopers are going into these foreign countries and kidnapping kids from their parents? Well, that just isn't it right and needs to stop.

Horrible stuff.

These parents should be ashamed for subjecting their kids to this.

There were a lot of things I stopped doing when I had children this young to save them from the possible negative consequences of my actions. Kids need stability, not a trek across an unfamiliar and dangerous country.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

Oh! so Trump's shock troopers are going into these foreign countries and kidnapping kids from their parents? Well, that just isn't it right and needs to stop.

I sure could believe that Mexican gangs are the ones kidnapping kids from their parents (or paying them $$) and then sending them across the borders with other radicals and or by themselves.

[Guisslapp]

Horrible stuff.

These parents should be ashamed for subjecting their kids to this.

There were a lot of things I stopped doing when I had children this young to save them from the possible negative consequences of my actions. Kids need stability, not a trek across an unfamiliar and dangerous country.

Imagine your family living in El Salvadore or Guatemala and a gang threatens you and your families life because they believe you have turned them into the government or otherwise perceive you as a risk.

I am glad you recognize that kids need stability - so do these parents and that is why they are seeking refuge from what has become brutal, unstable and unfree living conditions.

I think that is the problem. You are failing to imagine how bad it could be where taking your family on such an unsafe and uncertain trek seems like your best if not only option.

Honestly, I cannot believe how out of touch your post is. I can only assume that you are absolutely clueless as to what is going on in Central America because the amount of ignorance reflected by your post is so far off the charts.

[dawg80]

What is going on in Central American countries is their business. Not ours. Don't bring your problems here. Stay home and fix your country.

But, I see goosey you'll be heading down there to help them fix their problems. After you solve those, head over to sub-Sahara Africa and stop the on-going African slave trade...that is still active today.