That wasn’t the decision of the states.Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
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That wasn’t the decision of the states.
You have to remember the timeline of all of this.
When this disease appeared to be contained in China - we thought it would work to restrict travel to limit the cases coming here and then test and isolate to control the spread. Well, that strategy depended on testing, which never got done. If you don’t test and isolate, you get community transmission and once that happens it is too late unless you can do even more widespread testing fast. We failed and couldn’t do this.
Once the disease left China and hit other countries, the test and isolate strategy was done. The disease was going to get seeded in new communities and go undetected as it spread frustrating the efforts to isolate. Once this happened, our only strategy became mitigation and suppression - any and all efforts to prevent transmission, otherwise testing would never be able to catch up with the spread.
While Trump acted decisively in restricting travel to China, a key part of the initial viable strategy - that strategy only could have kept the risk to Americans “minuscule” if we delivered on the test and isolate strategy. We should have been laser focused on that. It didn’t happen.
Once we knew the disease jumped to other countries, our strategy had to change right then and there. If was at this point that we should have planned for the US to suffer an epidemic and we should have started to implement steps to prepare for fighting the disease here - (1) identify the critical supplies and (2) prepare for the economic injury caused by the inevitable lockdown once we detected community spread here. This is what we should have been doing the last week of February and we were not doing this.
Once this showed up in multiple states and places like NYC it was time to get serious about locking down nationwide - doing the same things that Washington state was doing. We waited weeks before other states started to take these actions.
All of these weeks of delays results in more stress on the system, more lives lost, and more economic harm.
You have an amazing grasp on "shoulda beens" given the luxury of 20/20 hindsight. Actually, even IF most so-called experts agree with all of this, you still can't make the average person adhere to mandates. We see that even now...today, months after all of this started....some people, too many, defying orders from the governor, which has been reinforced by local DAs and law enforcement...so...what do you suggest, a Chicom-style forced roundup and shipping off to "death" camps?
And, going back to say, February 1, what we KNEW then...again, you can't use the value of hindsight...there was ZERO support for draconian measures. On Feb 5th Mayor DeBlasio and his healthcare chief were on TV telling people "we got this." "Use the subways...go to work...eat at restaurants...etc..." And there were others doing the same. Medical/epidemic experts did NOT know the true nature of C-19. You're lying if you say they did. Hell! they still don't know today, April 4, all they need to know and will know, eventually.
You have a habit of rewriting history to fit your political agenda.
Oh...and if you are such an incredible expert on epidemics, as you are claiming to be...as in YOU saw all this coming waaaay back in January, or whenever, then you are wasted where you are. YOU should be the Surgeon General for the US! BTW, where did you go to medical school?
This isn’t hindsight. This has been the view outside the Trumpverse all along.
And you are misrepresenting what I said. No one said February 1 was the time for draconian measures. February 1 was the time to be rolling out testing.
Last week of February when we knew this was spreading outside of China was time to prep for the rollout of a new lockdown strategy - marshaling critical resources and planning to solve the economic crisis.
After we detected community transmission in multiple states was the time for the draconian measures - that was the end of a February and beginning of March.
Again...you just posted "February 1 was the time to be rolling out testing." What testing? There was no C-19 testing procedures or tools in existence then. There is still a shortage of testing means right now, April 4. Medical experts were asked, back then, around Feb 1 or so, if routine flu testing procedures...which, in case you didn't know, is a swab inside your cheek (mouth)....might work. Nope! They had to evaluate the nature of this new virus before a reliable test could be devised. You might have seen that some of the earliest testing means were only 50% accurate. Hell, just flip a coin for the patient then.
You do suffer from an acute case of TDS though. No swabs are needed to determine that. You display all the symptoms.
Germany and U.K. has tests in January. The fact that we weren’t prepared to test by February is a failure.
Tests that were less than accurate.
By Bush and Obama.
Trump has been POTUS for over 3 years. At what point is he actually responsible for the organization he is in charge of?
How inaccurate?
I suppose when it got real. You said it got real sometime in February, but you NEVER complained about the lack of action then. You were too upset about Trump not being found guilty.
It got real for Bush on 9/11 and real for Obama in 2009. That's 16 years.
I don't agree with that. If you can blame Bush and obummer you can blame Trump too...he's had 3 years. There was no C-19 in existence until November, 2019. What, was Bush or obummer suppose to order a test be created for a virus that "will exist in the future"? If so, then again, you can attach blame to Trump.
Nah!
I don't follow the whole "the POTUS is to blame for everything bad...or gets credit for everything good" mantra. Presidents are just one cog in the machine and Congress controls more than the WH does. A POTUS can set overall policy and tone and can motivate the populace to impress upon their congressional reps to adopt certain policies. But, just like Pearl Harbor, 9/11, and other historic events, presidents can only react to things and even then he is dependent on advisors and the good ole bloated federal bureaucracy to actually get things done.
Hell! back in 2015 Congress passed a bi-partisan bill allowing Crowd Funding (yes, some of it is in effect, just sparing the details here) and obummer signed it into law soon thereafter. He even had a news conference touting it as an opportunity to spur investment and invigorate the sluggish economy, of the time. The SEC has still NOT finalized all the regulations and thus 1 or 2 parts of that policy are still not available today. In other words, the entrenched 'crats in that agency have defied both Congress and a POTUS. They control everything...not the people's duly elected officials.
You might say, well, that's not an urgent matter like a pandemic event is. True, but it has been 5 years since obummer urged quick actions by the SEC to allow the whole law to be implemented. As I recall, it had 7 different provisions and only 5 are actually in effect. FIVE YEARS! Yet, some of you think President Trump can move mountains in just a couple of months and get that archaic bureaucracy humming like a well-oiled machine. They only care about drawing big fat checks and accumulating years of service for an equally big fat retirement.
Me saying it was serious in February for Pawdawg’s memory.
Me sounding the alarm again in February 26 while Pawdawg was still not concerned.
Me on February 26 again arguing with Pawdawg about how serious the threat was to America.
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