Covid - 19

[Guisslapp]

It is true we don't know the exact numbers for the annual flu outbreaks. We have some good estimates based on decades of data gathered, but they are still just estimates. But, we really don't know anything at all about the C-19 virus and its numbers. And that's one of the points of contention. We shut down the whole country based on.....what? Someone's "good guess?" The early returns from NY is that 14% of the population may "have had" the virus and most did not know it. It is stated, and I guess readily accepted as factual, that 61 million Americans had the Swine Flu 2009-10 and 12,500 Americans died from it. Is it possible that even more had it? Yeah. Is it possible that more than 12,500 Americans died from it? Yeah. And it's also possible both of those numbers were actually lower too.

To me, everything is relative. Based on what we do know today, April 25, 2020, it appears we have over-reacted to the C-19 outbreak and that those measures taken, should have been more targeted. As the two Cal doctors stated, and many agree, we should quarantine the sick, not the healthy. That's how other highly contagious diseases, small pox, cholera, the bubonic plaque, TB,...etc...have been handled in the past. Why has this been handled so differently? Oh I know! the answer is gonna be "no testing." But, we have NEVER, not ever! used "testing" as a measure to deal with any dangerous outbreaks, whether that be a killing flu epidemic or some other disease.

Is the SCIENCE really behind the decision-making? I want to believe it is, but I am not naïve, and see other factors that are influencing public policy. But, I will maintain an open mind and continue to rake it all in.

See Techman05, more proof that it is the Trumpfans that are dissatisfied by the body count.

It was never going to be the Dems that wanted more deaths. It was always going to be the mouthbreathers that lack the intelligence to understand what was at stake in the first place.

Dawg80, how many people would have needed to die to justify the lockdown? What was your magic number? We still might get there moving at over 2k deaths a day at what seems to be a national plateau (with social distancing).

[tech70]

At this point a change in most states is justified. New York with the death rate they have needs to stay shut down. Louisiana also, it’s not feasible to do it below Alexandria because everyone would just drive north . In Caddo Parish the hot spot areas are not following the rules so I would open up everything north of Alexandria and put state police on all roads to block travel . The high risk people like me need to limit our exposure and I would like to see face masks required until June 1.
I would open up business with 6 foot spacing and require that businesses supply proper ppe to anyone who wants it and anyone who is sick stay home unless they need hospitalization or treatment.
At this point the cure for anyone under 55 could be worse than the virus.

[dawg80]

See Techman05, more proof that it is the Trumpfans that are dissatisfied by the body count.

It was never going to be the Dems that wanted more deaths. It was always going to be the mouthbreathers that lack the intelligence to understand what was at stake in the first place.

Dawg80, how many people would have needed to die to justify the lockdown? What was your magic number? We still might get there moving at over 2k deaths a day at what seems to be a national plateau (with social distancing).

Of course, unlike you and your ilk, I want NO PART of any of this! I prefer ZERO deaths to a Chicom manufactured biological weapon. But I know you lowlifes are in cahoots with the commies and are relishing in this attack on America. Ultimately, you will lose, but you will inflict some damage to many people. Tis a shame we have the likes of you scumbags, but it is what it is. Enjoy your small measure of "victory" while you still can...

[Guisslapp]

At this point a change in most states is justified. New York with the death rate they have needs to stay shut down. Louisiana also, it’s not feasible to do it below Alexandria because everyone would just drive north . In Caddo Parish the hot spot areas are not following the rules so I would open up everything north of Alexandria and put state police on all roads to block travel . The high risk people like me need to limit our exposure and I would like to see face masks required until June 1.
I would open up business with 6 foot spacing and require that businesses supply proper ppe to anyone who wants it and anyone who is sick stay home unless they need hospitalization or treatment.
At this point the cure for anyone under 55 could be worse than the virus.

The rate of growth is N.La is troubling. It is going in the wrong direction. Obviously there is problems with continued asymptomatic spread there.

[tech70]

Tin foil hat alert.

https://youtu.be/qts_-mF5s0U

[dawg80]

Tin foil hat alert.

https://youtu.be/qts_-mF5s0U

Of course the French have join the cover-up chorus, they built the lab in Wuhan! That's not to say they, the French, had anything to do with the manufacture of the biological agent, SARS II, as they, the French, were booted out of Wuhan and the lab project in 2017. Chances are the C-19 virus, aka SARS II, was present in the lab at the time, in its early stages of development, but there is no evidence to directly link the French to its creation. More than likely the French are joining in the cover-up simply because they built the lab and don't want to be associated in any way with this pandemic. So, it is easier to join the misinformation campaign.

[CARTEK]

I see the smartest guy in the room is still at it!

[eagle2180]

These masks aren’t about protecting the wearer. It reduces the transmission of water droplets from the wearer to reduce the spread.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...rticle/610336/

Even if you don’t think you have the disease, you could still be spreading it. Thus the need to maximize participation. And, yes, a large part of getting the economy fully going is in people’s confidence that they won’t get the disease when they are out. Wearing a mask signifies that you respect the need to protect others and that helps us all build confidence that everyone is doing what they can to make it safe.

Can you provide some evidence from a scientific study that homemade masks are effective in stopping the transmission of COVID?

[Guisslapp]

Can you provide some evidence from a scientific study that homemade masks are effective in stopping the transmission of COVID?

https://www.preprints.org/manuscript...03/v1/download

[eagle2180]

https://www.preprints.org/manuscript...03/v1/download

i asked for a study you copied a literature review. From the journal you posted:

Although no randomized controlled trials (RCT) on the use of masks as source control for SARS-CoV-2 has been pub- lished, a number of studies have attempted to indirectly esti- mate the efficacy of masks. Overall, an evidence review (29) finds "moderate certainty evidence shows that the use of hand- washing plus masks probably reduces the spread of respiratory viruses."

So, we don’t really know if it is effective or not, but it seems like a good idea?

[eagle2180]

https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2...led-comparison

In conclusion, both surgical and cotton masks seem to be ineffective in preventing the dissemination of SARS–CoV-2 from the coughs of patients with COVID-19 to the environment and external mask surface.

[Guisslapp]

https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2...led-comparison

In conclusion, both surgical and cotton masks seem to be ineffective in preventing the dissemination of SARS–CoV-2 from the coughs of patients with COVID-19 to the environment and external mask surface.

No one says it prevents it. It reduces it, which is proven by the table in your report.

We do not know whether masks shorten the travel distance of droplets during coughing. Further study is needed to recommend whether face masks decrease transmission of virus from asymptomatic individuals or those with suspected COVID-19 who are not coughing.

We do know the answer to this part, and that is why you are supposed to be wearing the mask - to prevent those water droplets that you emit when you breathe and talk from being emitted everywhere. This reduces - not prevents - other people’s exposure.

[Guisslapp]

No one says it prevents it. It reduces it, which is proven by the table in your report.



We do know the answer to this part, and that is why you are supposed to be wearing the mask - to prevent those water droplets that you emit when you breathe and talk from being emitted everywhere. This reduces - not prevents - other people’s exposure.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007800

[eagle2180]

No one says it prevents it. It reduces it, which is proven by the table in your report.



We do know the answer to this part, and that is why you are supposed to be wearing the mask - to prevent those water droplets that you emit when you breathe and talk from being emitted everywhere. This reduces - not prevents - other people’s exposure.

Real world scenario... a person with a cloth mask or surgical mask coughs in the store. While in the checkout line they remove their mask so the cashier can hear them and then they use a debit or credit card. Any chance of transmission?

[Guisslapp]

Real world scenario... a person with a cloth mask or surgical mask coughs in the store. While in the checkout line they remove their mask so the cashier can hear them and then they use a debit or credit card. Any chance of transmission?

Yes, and don’t do that. Try to annunciate through your mask and hopefully your stores have already transitioned to touchless payments. Mind your distance from people. If everyone does that, fewer people will get this disease.

Even then, you and others are at risk when you go out in public. Transmission will still happen, but the R0 value of this virus will be driven down. If we can drive it below 1, which seems unlikely based on the percentage of numbskulls that are posting in this forum, the disease will get contained and the number of active cases will drop gradually over time. Until we have a vaccine, that is the best course, and wearing a damn mask is a pretty simple way to show respect to your community.