Covid - 19

[Guisslapp]

Saw JBE with Trump for Fauci’s comments on Remdesivir.

[FriscoDawg]

But it's killing people in the study: Two weeks after treatment, 65% of those who got the five day dose had recovered, compared with just 54% of those who received the infusion for 10 days. The death rate showed a similar trend, with 8% of patients getting less drug dying, compared with 11% in the 10 day group.

This study was exclusively from ALREADY HOSPITALIZED patients.

The time to discharge was statistically significantly lower among the trial group than the placebo group. And the death rate was also overall lower among the trial group than among the placebo group.

Those factors were enough so that the study results were released early for ethical reasons to allow placebo group participants to get the treatment.

[MoonPieBlue]

This study was exclusively from ALREADY HOSPITALIZED patients.

The time to discharge was statistically significantly lower among the trial group than the placebo group. And the death rate was also overall lower among the trial group than among the placebo group.

Those factors were enough so that the study results were released early for ethical reasons to allow placebo group participants to get the treatment.

Just to clarify my statement was a joke. Which many on here probably got based upon our discussions of HC. I'm happy that Remdesivir use looks so good. Anything that counters the virus is good with me.

Didn't know whether you were merely clarifying what the study said, or thought I was serious.

[FriscoDog]

Uh Oh.. Elon Musk has kicked over a hornets nest...

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Elon Musk @elonmusk 11h

FREE AMERICA NOW

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Elon Musk @elonmusk · 11h

Bravo Texas!

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Elon Musk
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Give people their freedom back!

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Elon Musk @elonmusk · Apr 27

Silicon Valley has become Sanctimonious Valley
Elon Musk

@elonmusk · Apr 27
Too much the moral arbiter of the world

[Guisslapp]

As the US passes the 1 million case mark (couple days ago) and are on the verge of passing the 60k death mark, we have a case fatality rate of 5.76%.

I am not going to go back in the thread to find the posts where we were discussing this and whether or not the rate was going to exceed the 1.x% (or whatever the rate was at the time) and the later post where I showed that it had already doubled that rate. With the new case and death curves being pretty much flat on a national scale now, it is now evident that what I said earlier was true - the time shift in death versus new case was the cause of our seemingly very low mortality rates early on.

Obviously the mortality rate will be lower than 5.76% once we start including asymptomatic cases. But that is really a different paradigm - and not the way other countries we were benchmarking our own performance were determining their mortality rate.

Also, the mortality rate should start to go down as we now have an improved treatment in remdesivir, and hopefully other new treatments will roll out in the future.

[PawDawg]

As the US passes the 1 million case mark (couple days ago) and are on the verge of passing the 60k death mark, we have a case fatality rate of 5.76%.

I am not going to go back in the thread to find the posts where we were discussing this and whether or not the rate was going to exceed the 1.x% (or whatever the rate was at the time) and the later post where I showed that it had already doubled that rate. With the new case and death curves being pretty much flat on a national scale now, it is now evident that what I said earlier was true - the time shift in death versus new case was the cause of our seemingly very low mortality rates early on.

Obviously the mortality rate will be lower than 5.76% once we start including asymptomatic cases. But that is really a different paradigm - and not the way other countries we were benchmarking our own performance were determining their mortality rate.

Also, the mortality rate should start to go down as we now have an improved treatment in remdesivir, and hopefully other new treatments will roll out in the future.

How many deaths have we had during the same period that were not labeled "Dead by China Virus"?

How many deaths do we average during the same period in other years?

[FriscoDog]

As the US passes the 1 million case mark (couple days ago) and are on the verge of passing the 60k death mark, we have a case fatality rate of 5.76%.

I am not going to go back in the thread to find the posts where we were discussing this and whether or not the rate was going to exceed the 1.x% (or whatever the rate was at the time) and the later post where I showed that it had already doubled that rate. With the new case and death curves being pretty much flat on a national scale now, it is now evident that what I said earlier was true - the time shift in death versus new case was the cause of our seemingly very low mortality rates early on.

Obviously the mortality rate will be lower than 5.76% once we start including asymptomatic cases. But that is really a different paradigm - and not the way other countries we were benchmarking our own performance were determining their mortality rate.

Also, the mortality rate should start to go down as we now have an improved treatment in remdesivir, and hopefully other new treatments will roll out in the future.

It has to go down because there is more and more antibody testing starting to take place that shows a multitude factor of people who were exposed or had the virus and were asymptomatic and never diagnosed with the virus.

[Guisslapp]

It has to go down because there is more and more antibody testing starting to take place that shows a multitude factor of people who were exposed or had the virus and were asymptomatic and never diagnosed with the virus.

Other countries that we were comparing ourselves against (on a mortality rate basis) were not counting those. We also don’t count those in other disease mortality rates.

Useful information to learn, but that isn’t the metric we were using.

[detltu]

Other countries that we were comparing ourselves against (on a mortality rate basis) were not counting those. We also don’t count those in other disease mortality rates.

Useful information to learn, but that isn’t the metric we were using.

Which countries are you using as a comparison? South Korea includes asymptomatic cases. The ones who have done the most testing tend to catch mild and asymptomatic cases as well (although surely not all of them). You have been railing on the lack of testing (correctly) which would tend to skew the numbers up. There are also a number of other factors that make it hard to compare the mortality rate as a measure of success. Doesn't mean we don't make comparisons, but it needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

[detltu]

My parents were tested yesterday. My Dad’s results (negative) came back today.

My wife's came back negative as well.

[Guisslapp]

Which countries are you using as a comparison? South Korea includes asymptomatic cases. The ones who have done the most testing tend to catch mild and asymptomatic cases as well (although surely not all of them). You have been railing on the lack of testing (correctly) which would tend to skew the numbers up. There are also a number of other factors that make it hard to compare the mortality rate as a measure of success. Doesn't mean we don't make comparisons, but it needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

True on Korea. I was thinking mostly Europe.

[PawDawg]

As the US passes the 1 million case mark (couple days ago) and are on the verge of passing the 60k death mark, we have a case fatality rate of 5.76%.

I am not going to go back in the thread to find the posts where we were discussing this and whether or not the rate was going to exceed the 1.x% (or whatever the rate was at the time) and the later post where I showed that it had already doubled that rate. With the new case and death curves being pretty much flat on a national scale now, it is now evident that what I said earlier was true - the time shift in death versus new case was the cause of our seemingly very low mortality rates early on.

Obviously the mortality rate will be lower than 5.76% once we start including asymptomatic cases. But that is really a different paradigm - and not the way other countries we were benchmarking our own performance were determining their mortality rate.

Also, the mortality rate should start to go down as we now have an improved treatment in remdesivir, and hopefully other new treatments will roll out in the future.

How many deaths have we had during the same period that were not labeled "Dead by China Virus"?

How many deaths do we average during the same period in other years?

Crickets

[Guisslapp]

Crickets

I don’t understand your question, figured you could look it up and tell us.

[Guisslapp]

3.8 million new unemployed, bringing the total up to over 30 million jobs lost.

[PawDawg]

I don’t understand your question, figured you could look it up and tell us.

Yeah you do. You know the numbers are bogus and have been since the first models came out.