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    Re: What is Systemic Racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow View Post
    Through your racist eyes, I guess I could see how you would come to that conclusion.

    I try to not look at things in that simplistic way.
    Tell me then, why does it matter to you that the pilot “wants to be in the cockpit” when you are flying if you aren’t referring to safety?

    And what connection were you drawing between more black pilots and “wanting to be in the cockpit”?

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    Re: What is Systemic Racism?

    I found Goober a black pilot.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArHNrCvwq4c

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    Re: What is Systemic Racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    NBA is nearly 20 percent white out of 450 players.
    20% doesn't equal the population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    20% doesn't equal the population.
    And whites are over-represented in NBA owners and coaches.

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    Re: What is Systemic Racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Tell me then, why does it matter to you that the pilot “wants to be in the cockpit” when you are flying if you aren’t referring to safety?

    And what connection were you drawing between more black pilots and “wanting to be in the cockpit”?
    Your mind is quite twisted.

    I don't give a crap what color the person is in the cockpit, but obviously YOU DO. No wonder you are so confused. Race is your baby...not mine. I just want the most qualified person driving the thing when I get on board (or when one flies over my home).

    Unlike you, I believe they are fully able to achieve whatever they wish without my help. I don't get up thinking of myself as any particular race, and I don't have much in common with anyone that does.

    If I needed neurosurgery services, I would feel fortunate if Ben Carson was on my team. Not because he is black or because of some sort of white guilt diversity issue, but because he is/was about the best there was. If I needed someone to make up a story about Tawana Brawley to whip up some racial strife, I'd get Al Sharpton on my team because he is arguably the best at it.

    Oh, and BLM is a black separatist movement. Not seeing a lot of Dr King's dream becoming a reality by following that path.

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    Re: What is Systemic Racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow View Post
    Your mind is quite twisted.

    I don't give a crap what color the person is in the cockpit, but obviously YOU DO. No wonder you are so confused. Race is your baby...not mine. I just want the most qualified person driving the thing when I get on board (or when one flies over my home).

    Unlike you, I believe they are fully able to achieve whatever they wish without my help. I don't get up thinking of myself as any particular race, and I don't have much in common with anyone that does.

    If I needed neurosurgery services, I would feel fortunate if Ben Carson was on my team. Not because he is black or because of some sort of white guilt diversity issue, but because he is/was about the best there was. If I needed someone to make up a story about Tawana Brawley to whip up some racial strife, I'd get Al Sharpton on my team because he is arguably the best at it.

    Oh, and BLM is a black separatist movement. Not seeing a lot of Dr King's dream becoming a reality by following that path.
    The most qualified? That is not how commercial aviation works in the base case. Once you have the qualifications, the rest is about seniority. Pilots aren’t promoted on the basis of merit.

    Are you scared that acknowledging your white privilege will somehow lessen your accomplishments?

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    Re: What is Systemic Racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    The most qualified? That is not how commercial aviation works in the base case. Once you have the qualifications, the rest is about seniority. Pilots aren’t promoted on the basis of merit.

    Are you scared that acknowledging your white privilege will somehow lessen your accomplishments?
    You are back to the unfair hiring practices again. That's all you got?

    We also have unfair hiring practices in nursing and other medical fields right?

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    Re: What is Systemic Racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    You are back to the unfair hiring practices again. That's all you got?

    We also have unfair hiring practices in nursing and other medical fields right?
    What unfair hiring practice did I describe?

    What I described is a world that is more likely to result in fewer qualified black pilots to hire because of systemic racism.

    Surprised Frisco couldn’t provide information about what his airline is doing to address the issue.

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    Re: What is Systemic Racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    What unfair hiring practice did I describe?

    What I described is a world that is more likely to result in fewer qualified black pilots to hire because of systemic racism.

    Surprised Frisco couldn’t provide information about what his airline is doing to address the issue.
    Maybe they could start recruiting pilots in 1st grade?

    What is the medical industry doing to bring in more black medical professionals? They give extra opportunities to some based on skin color.

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    Re: What is Systemic Racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    Maybe they could start recruiting pilots in 1st grade?

    What is the medical industry doing to bring in more black medical professionals? They give extra opportunities to some based on skin color.
    They could. Mentoring, educating people about the opportunity and path to the opportunity would open the pipeline more.

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    Re: What is Systemic Racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    They could. Mentoring, educating people about the opportunity and path to the opportunity would open the pipeline more.
    How do you know they aren't already? You don't.

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    Re: What is Systemic Racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    How do you know they aren't already? You don't.
    That is why I asked Frisco, silly.

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    Re: What is Systemic Racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    That is why I asked Frisco, silly.
    No, you already have your mind made up.

    Let's talk about some of the professions that have allowed for extra opportunities based on skin color. How's that working out?

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    Re: What is Systemic Racism?

    Personally, I have been "the victim" of so-called "reverse discrimination" twice, that I know of. First time was when I was working for International Paper, and the second time while employed by the state. Both times a person in "upper management" apologized to me saying they had no choice and had to promote a black person. Both times I shook it off and moved on. Maybe that's part of that so-called "white privilege." We don't get upset, pout, get our panties in a wad and blame others for the obvious "unfairness" of it all.

    BTW, to jump in on this black pilot discussion, kind of...

    There's a person known as "Little E." This person is hailed as being the best crew leader of a ground support crew for the US Air Force. Have a former co-worker who happened to have served in the Louisiana Air National Guard and his job was ground support/maintenance on planes. Said his crew attended several training sessions that were conducted by Little E. He said Little E. was not only skilled, knowledgeable in the maintenance and repair of the most advanced jet fighters, but a great leader. Led by example, motivated the crews to work long hours and not gripe. Little E. was in Saudi Arabia during the 1991 Operation Desert Storm keeping our planes serviced and flying. Everyone, including the toughest fighter pilots to the commanding generals, admired and respected Little E.

    I met Little E. at a convention that was held in Baton Rouge. Little E. now owns and operates a very successful catering business and a café, retired from the USAF. My former co-worker wanted to introduce me to his hero, Little E. Well...Little E. is a 4'10" kind of round, (a tad overweight) gray-haired...black woman. Her name is Ethel, thus the "Little E." nickname. I don't want to sound patronizing, but what an impressive person! Brilliant...well, you know, all those traits that make successful people, successful! And, quite the great chef too!

    Had a chance to visit with her for a spell. Listened to her "war" stories. How she stayed awake and on duty for a 36-hour stretch during the height of the air attacks during Desert Storm. Then slept on a makeshift cot in the hangar for a few hours and right back to work. "Had to keep 'em flying," she said, "and to make sure our boys could depend on their planes." Then..."Ah, it was nothing really. Just doing my job."

    My former co-worker, the Air National Guardsman, said to me as we were walking away, "Just doing her job! hah! the fighter squadrons would request her ground crew be assigned to their planes."

    Just a lil tidbit....

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    Re: What is Systemic Racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    No, you already have your mind made up.

    Let's talk about some of the professions that have allowed for extra opportunities based on skin color. How's that working out?
    I have my suspicions based on what I know of another airline and what I can find from research, but remain open to learning what his airline is doing.

    The medical profession? Well they seem to be doing around 50 percent better than commercial aviation, which means there is still tons of room for improvement.

    You can’t snap your fingers and solve centuries of discrimination.

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