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    Re: Covid - 19

    Unfortunately, this study is done exclusively on VAERS data.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    As a reminder, according to VAERS on its website, the VAERS system includes “incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information." To base a study on that database is not scientific.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    As a reminder, according to VAERS on its website, the VAERS system includes “incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information." To base a study on that database is not scientific.
    I'm not defending VAERS per se, but there are a lot of sources that base projections, recommendations on such "incomplete, inaccurate, etc..." information. Including sources that YOU purport to trust. I include the FDA in that, and the CDC as well. There is always a measure of statistical "assumption(s)" in all such "scientific" research/studies. Now, in some cases there might be a 95% confidence level, but that is fairly rare, and even then who's to say the 5% possibility isn't the reality!? I shake my head when some folks say "follow the science," especially politicians, as they have no clue what REAL SCIENCE is.

    If you have never read "Failure is Not an Option" by NASA's Gene Kranz, I highly recommend it. A must read for anyone interested in REAL SCIENCE (and engineering too, of course). If you have read it, remember what happened when 12 computers were saying one thing, and 1 lone computer the opposite? The lives of 3 astronauts hung in the balance.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    I'm not defending VAERS per se, but there are a lot of sources that base projections, recommendations on such "incomplete, inaccurate, etc..." information. Including sources that YOU purport to trust. I include the FDA in that, and the CDC as well. There is always a measure of statistical "assumption(s)" in all such "scientific" research/studies. Now, in some cases there might be a 95% confidence level, but that is fairly rare, and even then who's to say the 5% possibility isn't the reality!? I shake my head when some folks say "follow the science," especially politicians, as they have no clue what REAL SCIENCE is.

    If you have never read "Failure is Not an Option" by NASA's Gene Kranz, I highly recommend it. A must read for anyone interested in REAL SCIENCE (and engineering too, of course). If you have read it, remember what happened when 12 computers were saying one thing, and 1 lone computer the opposite? The lives of 3 astronauts hung in the balance.
    VAERS serves a purpose - it is an early warning system to help folks know that something might need to be studied. The nature of the data is not something that you can actually draw any conclusions from, scientifically.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Nothing like the CDC moving the goalposts on their definition of a vaccine. Way too convenient and factually inaccurate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FriscoDawg View Post
    Nothing like the CDC moving the goalposts on their definition of a vaccine. Way too convenient and factually inaccurate.

    You really will fall for everything.

    The CDC also defines “immunity” as “protection from a disease.” Thus the two definitions from this year mean the same thing.

    I also suspect you don’t understand the difference between a virus and a disease…

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    Re: Covid - 19

    You are such a sucker. There is no evidence that the vaccine caused those deaths.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    You are such a sucker. There is no evidence that the vaccine caused those deaths.
    Just using the same methodology used to account for China Virus deaths. Someone dies from a stroke and then is found to be virus positive, well! chalk up another virus death. I know of a fellow who was hit by a truck, his death was caused by the vaccine because he was vaxxed! See how it works!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    Just using the same methodology used to account for China Virus deaths. Someone dies from a stroke and then is found to be virus positive, well! chalk up another virus death. I know of a fellow who was hit by a truck, his death was caused by the vaccine because he was vaxxed! See how it works!?
    No. It is really not the same way. You guys were misled. In the case of COVID deaths there is a medical judgment as to whether COVID caused it, not whether someone with COVID passed away. In the case of VAERS, there is no judgment involved and the system doesn’t even provide for accuracy in reporting. That isn’t the purpose the system serves.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    No. It is really not the same way. You guys were misled. In the case of COVID deaths there is a medical judgment as to whether COVID caused it, not whether someone with COVID passed away. In the case of VAERS, there is no judgment involved and the system doesn’t even provide for accuracy in reporting. That isn’t the purpose the system serves.
    LOL! That's how it was supposed to work but when healthcare providers were compensated for virus deaths...I mean, come on, man!

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