Serious Conference Realignment Discussion

[inudesu]

That's funny. None of that has enough value to keep me from making a strategic decision that I think is better for my university.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to NOT be sharing a conference with McNeese. But....stupid reasons nonetheless. Maybe Tech should consider hiring the McNeese official that cut this deal. He (or she) is obviously a better negotiator than anyone LA Tech has on staff.

You guys dodged one hell of a bullet. Y’all were VERY close to being in a conference with McNeese.

I think it's y'all that dodged a bullet here. You could have had your own FBS version ULM right down the road - complete with endless stories about how every year you don't schedule them it's because you're either scared or snobby.

[inudesu]

But IF Missouri St is still on the table ... does that change the calculus?

Mizz St for all sports. UConn / UMass for fball. UALR / UTA for non-fball.

That'd be 12 bball and 12 fball. Would that be a good thing?

More mouths to feed, sure. But also some insulation against future raids.

14 teams didn't save us this go around. So we spent 9 years splitting the crumbs 14 ways for nothing (ok, not nothing - some travel savings, too and I guess maybe the overall size of the tv crumbs was higher overall with more product).

I say go as small as possible. And if we get robbed again, we're either gone (great) or as a remaining member of CUSA we lobby for bringing up another FCS school (preferably right in the middle of the recruiting footprint of whatever conference has raided us).

[PawDawg]

Judy to the rescue...what a smoking pile of crap we are a part of.

[BhadDawg]

But IF Missouri St is still on the table ... does that change the calculus?

Mizz St for all sports. UConn / UMass for fball. UALR / UTA for non-fball.

That'd be 12 bball and 12 fball. Would that be a good thing?



More mouths to feed, sure. But also some insulation against future raids.

Neither one of the U-cant's, does not help us, Keep it at nine or ten if possible all sports. Only add an Olympic sport or FB only if they really, really add some value we cannot create ourselves. I think going to ten would be ideal, I really do not see us losing any more than two in the next shuffle. Any more adds need to be a no-brainer, just too good to pass up.

Now MO St does change the math a little, I think if they have interest and want to be here, then add them. WKU has still not committed to staying or going, I think everyone is waiting for that shoe to drop. Judy needs to tell them CUSA is safe for the moment at eight and for them to stay or go, stop dragging around so CUSA can proceed. It is time for her to be a lion (or Lioness) if she plans to move this conference forward. These are the cards we are dealt, let's see if we can win this hand.

[BhadDawg]

https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/s...014190594?s=21

MAC is done expanding, so where does that put WKU? Glad to have them but do we really want them if they do not want to be here?

[dawg80]

https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/s...014190594?s=21

MAC is done expanding, so where does that put WKU? Glad to have them but do we really want them if they do not want to be here?

Just about to post this. Even though many WKUers are whining like little babies, this is great news for us...er, I mean CUSA. We have a solid 9 and are a viable conference.

[inudesu]

https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/s...014190594?s=21

MAC is done expanding, so where does that put WKU? Glad to have them but do we really want them if they do not want to be here?

Yes. Yes we do.

This version of CUSA is a marriage of convenience and everyone knows it. But it's better for Tech with WKU in. I don't care if they aren't happy about it. We aren't either. It's just where we happen to be for the moment.

It's not their dream conference. So what? It's not anyone's dream conference and it's pretty unlikely that it's going to last terribly long. That's fine. We don't need a 20 year solution. We need a "for now" solution.

[PawDawg]

Nothing about Judy’s C-USA is “viable”. I’m betting this…
- Teams leaving won’t pay exit fees
- Teams leaving and set to host will still host.

[Bone_afide_Dawg]

Nothing about Judy’s C-USA is “viable”. I’m betting this…
- Teams leaving won’t pay exit fees
- Teams leaving and set to host will still host.

You’re probably right, but I hope not. Unfortunately there’s too much kiss ass and lost accountability in the world these days. Guide, for one should be a businessman about it all and have his say for Tech that the league do right by its remaining members. Even crap already!

[BhadDawg]

You’re probably right, but I hope not. Unfortunately there’s too much kiss ass and lost accountability in the world these days. Guide, for one should be a businessman about it all and have his say for Tech that the league do right by its remaining members. Even crap already!

There is a price you pay for moving on trying to better yourself and they all knew what it was. They all knew what they were doing and I am proud for them all if they feel they bettered their position, but they left us here to pick up the pieces, which we have done despite some peoples wish for us to dissolve. I hope these Academics we have on the board see it for what it is and do what it takes to make this conference not only survive but thrive. I have no pity for the exiting teams, and we OWE THEM NOTHING. Do you really think they would feel different if the shoe was on the other foot.

[FriscoDawg]

Nothing about Judy’s C-USA is “viable”. I’m betting this…
- Teams leaving won’t pay exit fees
- Teams leaving and set to host will still host.

They won't pay "exit fees" since there is no exit fee. But the 9 schools leaving have to forego conference revenue distributions the next two years while they remain in the conference. That's in the conference by-laws.

Teams leaving absolutely should not host any championships with a predetermined site in the 2022-2023 year unless there is no other suitable site. I still think any spring 2022 championships should also be moved if possible, especially baseball from Hattiesburg, softball from Denton, and outdoor track and field from San Antonio.

Here is applicable text from the last copy of the C-USA Membership Handbook that I have:
"From the date of notice of withdrawal, the withdrawing member shall have no rights to receive distribution of Conference revenues of any nature (i.e. the Conference shall be entitled to retain distribution for two fiscal years) and shall continue to be obligated to pay Conference expenses, assessments, or debts. Further, the term of office of any Board Member representing a Withdrawing Member shall automatically expire and such Chief Executive Officer shall no longer be a Board Member of the Conference effective as of the notice date or determination of notice to withdraw and such Withdrawing Member shall not be entitled to have a representative on the Board of Directors thereafter. During the period thereafter the number of Board Members shall automatically be reduced by the number of Withdrawing Members; and the Withdrawing Member(s) shall not be permitted to attend any meeting of, vote on any matter before, receive notice of any meeting of, or receive copies of materials distributed to the Board of Directors; the Conference shall however, inform the Chief Executive Officer of a Withdrawing Member about matters (as determined by the Commissioner in his sole discretion) that may materially impact the Withdrawing Member during the period prior to the effective date of the withdrawal in a manner disproportionate to the Withdrawing Member and shall provide the Chief Executive Officer of the Withdrawing Member with a reasonable opportunity for discussion with the Board of Directors on such issues as requested.

"Each of the Members agrees that withdrawal of a member from the Conference would cause damage and financial hardship to the Conference and its continuing members, that the financial consequences to the Conference and its continuing members of such withdrawal cannot be measured or estimated with certainty at this time, and that the withholding of distributions pursuant to the preceding paragraph is a reasonable method of compensating the Conference and the continuing members for such damage and financial hardship and is not and shall not be construed as a penalty."

[FriscoDawg]

This round of conference realignment appears to be over unless Missouri State wants to join C-USA and the feeling is mutual.

Mid-American Conference to remain at 12 teams, won't pursue expansion (espn.com)

[TYLERTECHSAS]

Geezus. You didn't have to post the same jibberish 3 times! It was all bullshit anyway.

Yes your post was that for sure. 😉

[TYLERTECHSAS]

You guys dodged one hell of a bullet. Y’all were VERY close to being in a conference with McNeese.

You clowns down on I-10 are such lying BS spinners. Y’all are totally clueless.

[jharris]

Did CUSA not court UMass and UConn for football only? If so, IMHO, that's a mistake. (Though I'd read UConn wouldn't be interested.) Having existing FBS teams looks better than moving up FCS teams. Granted, UMass has been a perennial loser, and UConn hasn't been good lately. But UConn has fielded competitive teams in the past. And we'd have gained two flagship universities in the wealthy and powerful northeast. Ah well, can't wait to play a university whose name begins with "Sam" and another founded by a televangelist.