Greatest Player Ever for NFL teams

[PawDawg]

But aren't WE also falling into the same trap in making this basically a popularity/homer contest by voting only for 'Dawgs?? I have no issues against Terry for Pittsburgh but personally I'll vote for Morten Anderson over Willie for the Saints. Flame away!!!

Anderson's contribution is more obvious than Roaf's never missing a block the entire time he was with the Saints. It's all relative I guess.

[Mean Gene]

Anderson's contribution is more obvious than Roaf's never missing a block the entire time he was with the Saints. It's all relative I guess.

Goes with the position, I guess. The O-line typically doesn't get much publicity unless they allow too many sacks. My choice of MA over Willie was that he was the bulk of the Saints scoring for most of his 13 years w/them plus the pressure of being a kicker is well known. If Willie missed a block ( and while he was awesome, I seriously doubt that he NEVER missed a block in 9 years ) there was the chance for one of his teammates on the O-line or a RB could pick up the defender. If Morten missed the kick then the entire stadium & TV audience saw it.

[PawDawg]

Goes with the position, I guess. The O-line typically doesn't get much publicity unless they allow too many sacks. My choice of MA over Willie was that he was the bulk of the Saints scoring for most of his 13 years w/them plus the pressure of being a kicker is well known. If Willie missed a block ( and while he was awesome, I seriously doubt that he NEVER missed a block in 9 years ) there was the chance for one of his teammates on the O-line or a RB could pick up the defender. If Morten missed the kick then the entire stadium & TV audience saw it.

Actually I think Willie missed two blocks. Seriously.

[Mean Gene]

Actually I think Willie missed two blocks. Seriously.

Honestly, I DO find that believable considering how high he graded out after every game!! He was a terrific blend of athleticism, hard work & extreme intelligence.

[PawDawg]

One of the most famous offensive lineman ever, Jerry Kramer, is remembered for one great block...the one against Jethro Pugh to get Bart Starr across in the Ice Bowl. Even though he was a great one, without that single block he might have be just another good lineman.

Probably not telling you anything you don't already know, but I always thought it was a little strange.

[Mean Gene]

One of the most famous offensive lineman ever, Jerry Kramer, is remembered for one great block...the one against Jethro Pugh to get Bart Starr across in the Ice Bowl. Even though he was a great one, without that single block he might have be just another good lineman.

Probably not telling you anything you don't already know, but I always thought it was a little strange.

I was cheering for the Pack in the Ice Bowl!! I remember that play being shown over & over on TV & can not imagine what it would have been like to play football in that type of weather. I have been in Sakhalin Island, Russia on a work assignment & it routinely gets to -39 w/o a wind chill & it hurts just to step outside!! Can't fathom trying to hand onto a football.
Sometimes a player's career is made or ruined by his performance in a big game. For example, do U really think that Larry Brown would have commanded the big free agent bucks from the Raiders had he not had a career game in SB XXX & won the MVP award there. He certainly didn't do much in the following 2 years in Oakland ( 1 INT in 12 games ).
On the other hand, Grambling's own Everson Walls will forever be remembered for failing to stop Dwight Clark from making "The Catch" yet earlier in that same game he had made 7 tackles & 2 INTS. Plus he was the NFL DB of the year in '82 & made 4 Pro Bowls yet he himself states that he's not in the NFL HOF because ( partially ) of the negativity of not stopping that pass in '81. Might have some merit in his observation.

[skilldawg]

Honestly, I DO find that believable considering how high he graded out after every game!! He was a terrific blend of athleticism, hard work & extreme intelligence.

Willie will be the first player inducted into the Hall of Fame that played the bulk of his career with the Saints. That should be enough to keep a vote for him from being a "homer" pick.

[Mean Gene]

Willie will be the first player inducted into the Hall of Fame that played the bulk of his career with the Saints. That should be enough to keep a vote for him from being a "homer" pick.

Like Terry ( where there is little, if any ) room to argue, Willie certainly has the qualifications to represent the Saints ( so he doesn't fit my profile as a "homer" pick unlike those who vote for Stove Top & even Fred Dean - who IS worthy ) but your argument about being the first Saint in the HOF comes with a caveat. The only reason he's beating Morten Anderson into the HOF is that MA continued to play until last year ( & STILL might get a late season call to boot 'em again ). Willie Roaf most certainly deserves his place as an NFK HOF'er & I'd have NO problem w/his being the ESPN choice as best Saint ever!! Still, my OPINION still lies w/MA but he's not a choice so WR got my Saints vote.
FWIW - I voted for Seau ( Chargers ) & Lewis ( Ravens ) in the other 2 teams with ex-Dawg choices.

[skilldawg]

Like Terry ( where there is little, if any ) room to argue, Willie certainly has the qualifications to represent the Saints ( so he doesn't fit my profile as a "homer" pick unlike those who vote for Stove Top & even Fred Dean - who IS worthy ) but your argument about being the first Saint in the HOF comes with a caveat. The only reason he's beating Morten Anderson into the HOF is that MA continued to play until last year ( & STILL might get a late season call to boot 'em again ). Willie Roaf most certainly deserves his place as an NFK HOF'er & I'd have NO problem w/his being the ESPN choice as best Saint ever!! Still, my OPINION still lies w/MA but he's not a choice so WR got my Saints vote.
FWIW - I voted for Seau ( Chargers ) & Lewis ( Ravens ) in the other 2 teams with ex-Dawg choices.

Not saying Morton Anderson isn't worthy, but I wouldn't count on him being an automatic pick. The HOF is "anti-kickite" as Seinfeld would say it.

There is only one pure kicking specialist in the Hall, Jan Stenerud.

I do hope that Stover can get in one day so TECH will have 4 members, but that may take an awfully long time.

[Dwayne From Minden]

Archie is the top all-time Saint -

Better than Rickey, better than Morten, better than Hebert -

Archie Manning IS, WAS and ALWAYS WILL BE the NO SAINTS....

[Cool Hand Clyde]

Archie is the top all-time Saint -

Better than Rickey, better than Morten, better than Hebert -

Archie Manning IS, WAS and ALWAYS WILL BE the NO SAINTS....

There is no question about that.

[RhinoDawg]

But aren't WE also falling into the same trap in making this basically a popularity/homer contest by voting only for 'Dawgs?? I have no issues against Terry for Pittsburgh but personally I'll vote for Morten Anderson over Willie for the Saints. Flame away!!!

No flame here son. I voted for Archie.

[RhinoDawg]

Not saying Morton Anderson isn't worthy, but I wouldn't count on him being an automatic pick. The HOF is "anti-kickite" as Seinfeld would say it.

There is only one pure kicking specialist in the Hall, Jan Stenerud.

I do hope that Stover can get in one day so TECH will have 4 members, but that may take an awfully long time.

I am surprised Ray Guy hasn't made it.

[skilldawg]

I am surprised Ray Guy hasn't made it.

me too

[inudesu]

It is awesome that we have so many on these lists. Dean is struggling for votes, and Roaf won't win his, but Bradshaw and Stover are winning with TB running away.