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    Re: US News Third Tier

    I was watching the 10:00 news here in BR and saw the news item at the bottom of the screen stating the top ten ranking by Tech for graduating students with the least amount of debt. Loved it.

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    Re: US News Third Tier

    Quote Originally Posted by RougeDawg View Post
    How in the hell is Tulane's tuition more than Harvard and Princeton! Wow.
    Because Harvard has an endowment larger than the GNP of many (most?) nations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rus-La View Post
    I believe that is the story for the whole university. I just don't think Tech has the resources, infrastructure, faculty, staff, or much anything else to handle it. BUT, it seems things are slowly moving in that direction. I'm just happy Tech finally offers some degrees online. I really hope this thing starts getting bigger. I get to finish a degree from Tech!!! May take me a few years, but it'll be worth it in the end. Just gotta figure out what to do after that, ha.
    When did Tech start offering degrees online? And what area of study?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrassyNoleHitman View Post
    Because Harvard has an endowment larger than the GNP of many (most?) nations.
    Yea, Harvard was talking about following Stanford's lead in moving to essentially no tuition for those making below about 140K a year--then the stock market crash took about half the endowment. They've scaled back a bit since then. Just realize that the endowment number you see now was roughly twice that size two years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RougeDawg View Post
    THAT is pretty significant!

    How in the hell is Tulane's tuition more than Harvard and Princeton! Wow.
    Because Tulane thinks they are better than they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TechDawgMc View Post
    Yea, Harvard was talking about following Stanford's lead in moving to essentially no tuition for those making below about 140K a year--then the stock market crash took about half the endowment. They've scaled back a bit since then. Just realize that the endowment number you see now was roughly twice that size two years ago.
    Their endowment is still big enough to pay for every student they have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtydawg View Post
    Or, now go with me on this one, increase enrollment in areas other than Engineering.
    My guess would be that other areas face the same issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by dhussdawg View Post
    How would that go? Make stricter requirements to get into the Engineering program? Of course, I say it would be a good thing in one sense (stronger engineering and stronger other programs), but bad in another (people turning away because fo competition). Well, maybe we wouldnt want those that turn away anyway.
    Can you conditionally accept students? You're welcome into Tech, but you can't major in engineering? I guess it's that way for nursing. Do any other schools do that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abominable Gorilla View Post
    My guess would be that other areas face the same issues.



    Can you conditionally accept students? You're welcome into Tech, but you can't major in engineering? I guess it's that way for nursing. Do any other schools do that?
    you may not be able to do it directly, but i think you could do some things that would have the same effect. for example, don't allow students to enter any engineering program if they have to take remedial math, make the freshman engineering classes harder to pass rather than waiting until the sophomore year to do the majority of the "weeding out," send attractive women to pass out pamphlets on the school of business in the freshman engineering classes, etc.

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    Re: US News Third Tier

    Some engineering colleges actually do limit their enrollment. There are a certain number of spots and you apply to get into the college when you reach junior status once you finish all of the basic stuff.

    This is why you see some college retention data where they can retain and graduate 95% of their engineering students. We don't operate that way at all, and I am glad that we don't. One of the great things (IMO) about Tech's engineering program is that as a freshman engineer you get to start from day one doing engineering.

    We actually just finished revamping the freshman curriculum to make it more rigorous. With the (significanlty) more difficult curriculum or retention from freshman to sophomore is higher than it was previously (at least that is what the preliminary numbers are showing.) And like you mentioned, the ones that just don't want to do engineering are making that choice earlier.

    We really are doing some cool stuff over here, I would encourage anyone interested to drop by and see for yourself sometime.

    We haven't tried the pamphlets yet . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtydawg View Post
    When did Tech start offering degrees online? And what area of study?
    Sometime this month. I think it really starts Fall quarter. Right now, they offer an AD in Health Information Technology, BS in General Science, a BS in Health Information, MS in Health Information, MS Nutrition Dietetics, MS Family and Consumer Sciences, and a few certificates.

    http://www.latech.edu/globalcampus/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rus-La View Post
    Sometime this month. I think it really starts Fall quarter. Right now, they offer an AD in Health Information Technology, BS in General Science, a BS in Health Information, MS in Health Information, MS Nutrition Dietetics, MS Family and Consumer Sciences, and a few certificates.

    http://www.latech.edu/globalcampus/
    It's been said before, but ...

    We have a LOT of ground to make up in this area.

    Many of us could very well be holding additional degrees from Tech right now were online programs available sooner. We sent our money elsewhere instead.

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    Re: US News Third Tier

    article in vanity fair a couple of months ago on the endowment at harvard and the absolute mess they're in due to the economy. basically they spend too much of their return on university day to day operating costs. they also have a huge building, well foundation at least, on campus with no immediate plans to resume construction. good read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CChandler View Post
    Two major pushes need to be made.

    (1) Increasing the endowment. We really, badly need to be at least in the ~200m range.

    (2) Increasing the number of American graduate students.
    I couldn't agree MORE with #1, nor could I agree LESS with #2.

    Americans just aren't going to grad school at a rate to keep up with the rapid expansion in graduate programs offered across the country. (Our ratio of international students is consistent with other graduate programs, even top--Ivy League, MIT, etc-- programs.)

    I agree that we need to emphasized the QUALITY of our grad students, as we often settle for a "warm body" mentality. Unfortunately, that has been reinforcing for the administration, as keeping the graduate enrollment up makes us look good.

    "Quality" and "American" are not necessarily synonymous. China, for example, has more people with high average to superior intelligence than America has people. Also, don't forget that those non-Americans have in some instances single-handedly kept graduate programs at Tech open that would have otherwise been shuttered for lack of students.

    But, back to your points, we DESPERATELY need to increase our endowment, and we also could stand to do more to recruit quality graduate students.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian96 View Post
    I couldn't agree MORE with #1, nor could I agree LESS with #2.

    Americans just aren't going to grad school at a rate to keep up with the rapid expansion in graduate programs offered across the country. (Our ratio of international students is consistent with other graduate programs, even top--Ivy League, MIT, etc-- programs.)

    I agree that we need to emphasized the QUALITY of our grad students, as we often settle for a "warm body" mentality. Unfortunately, that has been reinforcing for the administration, as keeping the graduate enrollment up makes us look good.

    "Quality" and "American" are not necessarily synonymous. China, for example, has more people with high average to superior intelligence than America has people. Also, don't forget that those non-Americans have in some instances single-handedly kept graduate programs at Tech open that would have otherwise been shuttered for lack of students.

    But, back to your points, we DESPERATELY need to increase our endowment, and we also could stand to do more to recruit quality graduate students.
    Certain graduate programs at Tech are filled with almost 100% foreign students because the professors are foreign and American students can't understand a word that is being said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikedog View Post
    Certain graduate programs at Tech are filled with almost 100% foreign students because the professors are foreign and American students can't understand a word that is being said.
    That just sounds ignorant.

    Could it be that the programs with high volumes of foreign students are in a specialty area that is attractive to foreign students? I think more goes into a decision than the nationality of the professors.

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