Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?

[HogDawg]

My best guess is that it will be the Pac 10. I have to agree with Don on this, if the money can be worked out, why would Texas want to deal with the competitive level it would face in the SEC.

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You need to put the crack pipe down. Texas schools in the Pac 10? Are you serious?

Surely you know that most Texans detest Californians, and anything Californian? Furthermore, it's no small plane ride from College Station, TX to Seattle WA, Pullman WA, Eugene, OR or Corvallis, OR.

LA Tech is in a far flung conference because it HAS to be. UT & TX A&M don't HAVE to be.

There's simply no reason for UT or A&M to join the PAC 10. That's absurd. Besdies, the PAC 10 has been a "trailer" in all things expansion, not a leader.

If the SEC expands to a 16 team Super Conference, they'll likely shoot for UT, A&M, and Oklahoma. The last spot will go to either Texas Tech or Ok St, with the state of Texas legislature REQUIRING the SEC to take Texas Tech if they want the other two Texas schools at all. As you may know, there is precedent for the Texas legislature using this type of leverage before, namely when the Big XII was established.


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[dchi72]

I rarely agree with HogDawg, but he is correct in this. Texas is not going to the PAC 10.

Texas can and will take Oklahoma with them. They will probably request that Texas A&M go also. Most likely Texas will remain in the Big 12. They are one of two schools in the drivers seat in the Big 12. Why lose that power?

The PAC 10 might pick off Colorado. The Big 10 will most likely not pick Missouri or Nebraska. They want TV sets. They are looking east.

If the PAC 10 picks off Colorado then the Big 12 will decide if they want to pick 1 team and move back to 12, or go bigger.

If the Big 10 goes to 16 (which I doubt) and the SEC and Big 12 follow suit, things will get very interesting.

SEC would most likely add schools in the east also. Miami, Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina, Georgia Tech? Who knows. But the Big East and ACC cannot match the money the SEC has to spend.

Big 12 will look at Arkansas, and probably talk to several MWC schools. If they really want to make a splash, they try to poach Arizona and Arizona State.

At some point all this becomes conjecture, but the Big East, ACC and MWC are probably going to lose members to the Big 4 conferences. After that, who knows.

[hookdown]

Hookdown

When Mike Slive talks SEC expansion, I think he's talking about Texas and Texas A&M. They add real value. Those two schools together are probably worth the 25% to 50% increase in TV dollars. No other combination of schools can give the SEC that boost.

The problems the ACC is having in its current TV negotiations point out the fact their schools just don't deliver national type TV numbers, even FSU and Miami. That was surprising to me. In fact, if the SEC cannot get Texas and Texas A&M, they would probably stay pat.

I agree about the Texas schools, but I think they look to Florida State and Miami if the Texas schools turn them down or they go to 16.

[The Historian]

[quote=HogDawg;913138] You need to put the crack pipe down. Texas schools in the Pac 10? Are you serious?

It does do crazy things to you. I know first hand. I woke up one morning a few months ago convinced the Saints had won the SuperBowl.

Why the Pac 10? It could just as easily be the SEC, but the Pac 10 will eventually have a couple of things going for it. It would likely give Texas a larger piece of the TV pie, and I'm not convinced the SEC would agree to that type of deal. And Mack Brown/Will Muschamp will not have to deal with coaches like Urban Meyer and Nick Saban to try to get to a national championship game.

A couple of years ago, I was convinced the Pac 10 would never expand. Their presidents were too dead set against it. I think they will let their consultants and the networks involved handle it at this point. The money will be too overwhelming.

A California/Texas combination would likely bring a TV bidding war between News Corp and Comcast, which now owns NBC and its family of networks. Texas' part of any deal might exceed even what Big 10 teams will be pulling each year.

Besides, we're talking about people living in Austin. When it comes to California, some of them would fit right in.

[hookdown]

Some more expansion musings (since we have not talked about this for just over 24 hours... :icon_wink:




http://www.studentprintz.com/usm-to-...ppen-1.1163856

http://www.ncaastrategies.com/utopia...ad.php?t=68131

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ter...speculati.html

http://www.garnetandblackattack.com/...sion-how-about

http://www.footballrumormill.com/201...of-realigment/

http://elitistjerksports.com/?p=7076

[hookdown]

More talk coming out of the SEC. I wonder if some of this is trying to imtimidate the Big 11 into not expanding past 12 (or maybe at all).



http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5138055

[hookdown]

So maybe ND does not join the Big 11 after all. I figure that if they do not, then they fade out of the national picture for good. They seem dead set on maintaining their independence, even if it kills their program. And by the time they figure out that the Big East is going to be drawn and quartered in this round, it will be too late for them to do anything about it.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...html?eref=sihp

[GatorDawg]

So maybe ND does not join the Big 11 after all. I figure that if they do not, then they fade out of the national picture for good. They seem dead set on maintaining their independence, even if it kills their program. And by the time they figure out that the Big East is going to be drawn and quartered in this round, it will be too late for them to do anything about it.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...html?eref=sihp

I wouldn't be surprised to see Villanova and/or Notre Dame both playing Big East football in a few years. If they lose Pitt, Syracuse, and UConn (the teams I'd take if I were Big Ten) that may create too much instability in the Big East basketball schools. Villanova moving up to football and Notre Dame finally deciding to become a full member of the Big East might do enough to keep the basketball members happy. If that is the case they can add Memphis and ECU from CUSA and be a 9 football team, 14 basketball team conference.

[brtransplant]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Villanova and/or Notre Dame both playing Big East football in a few years. If they lose Pitt, Syracuse, and UConn (the teams I'd take if I were Big Ten) that may create too much instability in the Big East basketball schools. Villanova moving up to football and Notre Dame finally deciding to become a full member of the Big East might do enough to keep the basketball members happy. If that is the case they can add Memphis and ECU from CUSA and be a 9 football team, 14 basketball team conference.

ND will turn down the Big 10 and opt for full membership in the Big East? I don't think they are that stupid.

[GatorDawg]

ND will turn down the Big 10 and opt for full membership in the Big East? I don't think they are that stupid.

I'm not saying they will turn down the Big Ten for the Big East. I think they will turn down the Big Ten and ultimately have to make the choice to save the Big East (and their basketball conference). I'm not saying they will. Just saying I can see them doing that.

[RXDAWG]

Rumor mill cranking up about Missouri then 4 other schools to the Big 10.

http://www.wndu.com/sports/headlines/92447574.html

Missouri followed by Syracuse, Rutgers, Pitt, and Nebraska?

[DawgFight71]

Wonder how good their sources are.

[hookdown]

Wonder how good their sources are.

Probably as good as any of the rest of them at this point. That is, nobody knows anything with certainty at this point. If the Big 11 expands by 5, then watch out, the college football world as we know it will cease to exist.


So if this latest is correct, who does the SEC try to pick up? Most likely candidates in my book are Texas, A&M, OU, OSU, Miami, FSU, Georgia Tech, Clemson. Obviously the Texas/Oklahoma parlay would bring in the most new money and fans for the SEC. Would the ACC then go after West Virginia, Lousiville, Cincinnati, and South Florida to pick up the slack? That effectively destroys the Big East as a football entity. That would certainly leave ND looking pretty...NOT! Of course The PAC 10 picks up Utah and Colorado at a minimum. I wonder if they go for at least a couple of more to even things up? That would leave the remaining members of the Big 12, MWC, WAC, and CUSA to realign into two new major conferences with the rejects being shuffled off into the Sun Belt or perhaps forming their own minor conference.

[johnnylightnin]

http://m.omaha.com/om/pm_23098/conte...tguid=jPizdTPq

[The Historian]

Johnny:

Thanks for the link. Interesting quote from Nebraska's AD:

"Last week, I asked Perlman if NU had contacted the Big Ten or any conference about joining. His response: “I'm not going to comment on that.'' You can take that two ways: Perlman has contacted the Big Ten or he's trying to throw up a smoke screen. My take: He's let the Big Ten know that the Big Red can be had.

Perlman added, “When you look at the possibility of Missouri or Colorado or the Texas schools leaving one day, Nebraska would be vulnerable. We have to be proactive in this and take care of our position. And we are.''