Possible Big 10 Expansion Sooner Than Expected?

[WWDog]

Soooo, looking back at the opportunities we had to get one and ones with Baylor and one of the Kansas schools a few years back under a previous AD, could we have raised our chances of getting into that group?

[hookdown]

Big East no longer has football
Big 12 no longer exists

I think you are dead on in this scenario. The BE is done as a football conference, absorbed by the Big 11 and ACC. The Big 12 will certainly not exist in its current state.

The question is, does the Big 12 retain the name and AQ status if there are only 4-5 of them remaining and they add schools from the MWC and CUSA?



UPDATE:

Selected readings for today -



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...SPQN1DPK0U.DTL

Funny article! Best quote: "Texas, for one, can do essentially whatever it wants, including eat the entire Sun Belt Conference if it likes."

http://www.examiner.com/x-30425-Coll...for-mass-chaos

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/spo...inse-near.html

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...ansion-unfolds

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...e+of+expansion

[DAIQUIRIDAWG]

I'm still pulling for this one.

Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
To heck with being in the full group of CUSA schools. I want to be with the Big 12 remnants and a few of the eastern CUSA teams! Both sets will want a Louisiana universities in their mix.


Iowa St
Kansas
Kansas St
Tulsa
SMU
UTEP

Baylor
Houston
RICE
USM
La Tech
Tulane

http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/showt...24455#poststop

Dam good looking conference

[The Historian]

The question is, does the Big 12 retain the name and AQ status if there are only 4-5 of them remaining and they add schools from the MWC and CUSA?

Hookdown:

I think the timing is the key to all of this. If the Big 12 were to lose six members in the next week or so and the Big 10 sticks to its plans and does not vote on expansion for another 6-12 months, then the Big 12 will survive.

Nebraska and Missouri will be in the Big 12 will no invitations to go elsewhere for perhaps at least the rest of 2010. The Big 12 then survives and invites a combination of MWC and CUSA schools. It will almost certainly grab BYU, Utah and TCU, along with Houston and two other schools and will retain its AQ status.

Even if it eventually loses Nebraska and Missouri, given Kansas' recent football success, paired with the MWC schools, it would retain its AQ status.

If the Big 10 votes to expand and invites Nebraska and Missouri at its meetings this week (which Big 10 commish Jim Delany says they will not do), and the Big 12 goes down to 4 members, those four will likely end up in the Mountain West. It then almost certainly becomes an AQ conference.

The survival of the Mountain West may rest with what the Big 10 does or does not do by June 30. If I was Boise State, I would seriously wait under June 30 to give the MWC a decision on their upcoming invitation.

[The Historian]

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com...ook-texas.html

Wow! Columbus Dispatch obtains Ohio State e-mails.

There's no more debating it: Big Ten officials have peered deep in the heart of Texas for a potential expansion partner.

E-mails obtained by the Columbus Dispatch through a public-records request also revealed that Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany told Ohio State President E. Gordon Gee that the league is "fast-tracking it."

After Gee praised Delany via email for his "brilliant presentation" to Big Ten school officials at an April 18 Association of American Universities meeting, Delany replied: "We are fast-tracking it but need to know the $ and observe contracts. Also need to make sure we leverage this to increase chances of hr (likely, "home run") additions. Finally double chess # of moving parts including not harming brand as we execute."

Also,

Another Gee e-mail indicates that the league wants to move quickly. Gee wrote to Delany on April 19 that Gee is "of the mind that we control our destiny at the moment, but the window will soon close on us. Agility and swiftness of foot is our friend."

Big Ten presidents and chancellors will huddle Sunday at conference headquarters in Park Ridge. Delany has said that "no votes" will be taken related to expansion.

As for the Big Ten's interest in Texas, Gee e-mailed Delany on April 20 to say: "I did speak with (President) Bill Powers at Texas, who would welcome a call to say they have a 'Tech' problem."

An Ohio State official declined to tell the Dispatch exactly what that meant, but it could refer to the fact that Texas Tech is not a member of the AAU. There's a belief that Texas, if it left the Big 12, would want to remain in the same league as Texas Tech and Texas A&M.

[TechDynamic]

Agility and swiftness of foot is our friend."

The race for Texas begins!

[faninmonroe]

The race for Texas begins!

and if the SEC does not get Texas or aTm they are the real losers in this deal...none of the eastern teams they would want bring in any more tv sets.

[tenacious_dog]

I just wouldn't be surprised if Texas and aTm go their separate ways. They both offer strong access to the Texas media markets in their own right without the other. Texas has a history of looking north and west so I can see them going either Big 10 or PAC 10; aTm has looked toward the east & the SEC. Should they go their separate ways, continuing to play each other as one of their OOCs makes good sense/cents.

[hookdown]

I think the timing is the key to all of this. If the Big 12 were to lose six members in the next week or so and the Big 10 sticks to its plans and does not vote on expansion for another 6-12 months, then the Big 12 will survive.

Very true, but if the Pac 10 does something soon, the Big 11 will not wait that long to pull the trigger. Unless the Pac 10 waits right until the 30 June deadline to announce it so that the other conferences cannot respond or expand for another year. Even if the Big 12 were to remain on the sideline for a while, I doubt the SEC would. When one goes, they all go...



So Texas just sits back and waits for the winning bid from amongst the Pac 10, Big 11, and SEC to emerge. Must be nice!

Wonder how much the WAC can ante up...

[The Historian]

http://www.newsok.com/is-nebraska-on...ad_story_title

Berry Tramel of the Daily Oklahoman points out this is not about Texas but about Nebraska. Very good column.

When Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe emerged from a presidents meeting Friday and talked about a "process" by which the league will decide how to sort the dalliances of some schools with the Big Ten, what he meant was, Nebraska has been called out.

I don't know for sure. I wasn't in the room. But I've talked to people who know what they're talking about. And this is about Nebraska.

This isn't about Missouri. Nobody cares about Missouri. Stay, go, drop football, get mad all over again that the Insight Bowl invited Iowa State. Doesn't matter.
If only Missouri leaves the Big 12, the league is fine. Heck, the league thrives. TV revenues wouldn't go down, plus there's one less mouth to feed. Heck, the NCAA might even give the Big 12 a waiver and let it keep the football championship game.

This is about Nebraska. Everybody cares about Nebraska. Nebraska helps make the league go. Without Nebraska, Texas' and Oklahoma's enthusiasm for the Big 12 wanes.
Which is why I believe Beebe gave Nebraska chancellor Harvey Perlman a deadline Friday. Stake your claim. Are you with the Big 12 or not? Are you staying or are you waffling?

I don't know if the deadline is next week or next year, though I've got to believe it's closer to the former.

[hookdown]

Huskers and Tigers given their ultimatum:


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5257088


I am guessing that this will speed up the Big 11 decision making process.



Here is a different and pretty interesting view of what Colorado should do:


http://www.denverpost.com/kiszla/ci_15236809

[TYLERTECHSAS]

Here is a different and pretty interesting view of what Colorado should do:


http://www.denverpost.com/kiszla/ci_15236809

This guy sounds like a Colo.St grad.

[The Historian]

Here is a different and pretty interesting view of what Colorado should do:


http://www.denverpost.com/kiszla/ci_15236809

It's pretty clear by advocating the Buffs go to the Mountain West, Mr. Kiszsla doesn't understand the basic economics of this deal. It's not just about a little bid of money, it's about a lot of money. If CAA is telling the Pac 10 a conference with 16 teams that includes the schools being mentioned can generate anywhere close to Big 10 type TV revenue, it would means tens of millions more dollars per year to CU. Not millions, tens of millions.

The Mountain West's TV deals are up in 2014. They will likely be an AQ league. Even if they can put together a really nice package - somewhere along the lines of what most Big 12 schools get today, around $8 million per year by 2016 - it's a far cry from what the PAC 16 will be getting.

Remember, the Big 10 expects to be paying out $40 million per school in TV revenue alone by 2015-2016.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports...ith-expansion/

If the Pac 16 can generate 75% of that number by 2016, $30 million per year, it's still at least $20 million more than what the Mountain West is going to be paying out per school. That's $200 million more over a 10-year period. And if you're thinking about travel. Take $100,000 out of that extra $1.7 million per month and fly charter everywhere. Every team in every sport to every game that requires more than a five-hour drive.

I'll say this - if one of these schools is not interested, Kansas or Baylor would gladly take their place.

[The Historian]

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/po...ne-tressel-met

So Osborne secretly met with Tressel. What's funny is the fact on April 19 many of Nebraska's fans were saying there was no way their school would have any interest in the Big 10. On that day, their AD was meeting with one of the Big 10's main players.

The other thing I find interesting in all of this is the fact on May 10 Big 12 commish Dan Beebe told his member schools via e-mail that Big 10 commish Jim Delany told him the Big 10 was not fast tracking expansion - they were staying with a 12 to 18 month timetable. But in the e-mails obtained on Friday by the Columbus Dispatch, Delany exchanged e-mails with Ohio State president Gordon Gee on April 18 talking about the fact they were doing just that - fast tracking their expansion timeline.

So Delany lied directly to both the Chicago Tribune when they interviewed him about it on April 17 and Beebe on May 10 when he passed what Delany told him on to his member ADs.

[DONW]

It's pretty clear by advocating the Buffs go to the Mountain West, Mr. Kiszsla doesn't understand the basic economics of this deal. It's not just about a little bid of money, it's about a lot of money. If CAA is telling the Pac 10 a conference with 16 teams that includes the schools being mentioned can generate anywhere close to Big 10 type TV revenue, it would means tens of millions more dollars per year to CU. Not millions, tens of millions.

The Mountain West's TV deals are up in 2014. They will likely be an AQ league. Even if they can put together a really nice package - somewhere along the lines of what most Big 12 schools get today, around $8 million per year by 2016 - it's a far cry from what the PAC 16 will be getting.

Remember, the Big 10 expects to be paying out $40 million per school in TV revenue alone by 2015-2016.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports...ith-expansion/

If the Pac 16 can generate 75% of that number by 2016, $30 million per year, it's still at least $20 million more than what the Mountain West is going to be paying out per school. That's $200 million more over a 10-year period. And if you're thinking about travel. Take $100,000 out of that extra $1.7 million per month and fly charter everywhere. Every team in every sport to every game that requires more than a five-hour drive.

I'll say this - if one of these schools is not interested, Kansas or Baylor would gladly take their place.

The big question to me is why Texas would want to join the PAC-10. They're the richest school in the country. They made 135 million last year. Why would they not want to keep the Big 12 together? Why would they want to join a conference that does nothing but increase their travel?