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    Re: Preseason Poll

    How many 29+ win seasons do ya gotta post to get a vote round here!

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    Re: Preseason Poll

    List of Voters
    The USA TODAY Sports Board of Coaches is made up of 32 head coaches at Division I institutions. All are members of the National Association of Basketball Coaches. The board for the 2014-15 season: Tommy Amaker, Harvard; Randy Bennett, Saint Mary?s (saw us this year); Jim Boeheim, Syracuse (plays us this year); Todd Bozeman, Morgan State; Glenn Braica, St. Francis Brooklyn; Rick Byrd, Belmont; Scott Cherry, High Point; Tim Cluess, Iona; Ed Conroy, Tulane (played last year); Keith Dambrot, Akron; Scott Drew, Baylor; Matt Driscoll, North Florida; Steve Fisher, San Diego State; Bruiser Flint, Drexel; Mark Fox, Georgia (played last year); John Gallagher, Hartford; Ray Harper, Western Kentucky; Dick Hunsaker, Utah Valley; George Ivory, Arkansas-Pine Bluff; Ben Jacobson, Northern Iowa; Rob Jeter, Wisconsin-Milwaukee; Danny Kaspar, Texas State; Mike McConathy, Northwestern State; Greg McDermott, Creighton; Matt Painter, Purdue; Dave Paulsen, Bucknell; Randy Rahe, Weber State; Joe Scott, Denver; Herb Sendek, Arizona State; Shaka Smart, Virginia Commonwealth; Bob Williams, UC-Santa Barbara; Mike Young, Wofford.

    I see 7 potential voters - I wonder if one ranked us 24?

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    Re: Preseason Poll

    Possibly the Baylor coach? If we are going to scrimmage them before the season then surely their coach is pretty familiar with what we are returning

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    Re: Preseason Poll

    Getting votes preseason bodes well for us. If we sniff the top 25 before conference, then a regular season conference championship will likely earn an at-large.
    Have you considered those Dogs?

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    Re: Preseason Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by boxerdog View Post
    Getting votes preseason bodes well for us. If we sniff the top 25 before conference, then a regular season conference championship will likely earn an at-large.
    Likely but not guaranteed. An AP Top 25 ranked Utah State team with a regular season title got left out one year. Recently Top 30 RPI teams in Southern Miss and Missouri State have been left out. You never know what criteria the selection committee is gonna use. It seems like recently they've been emphasizing Top 50 RPI wins, which we may only have one opportunity to notch this year... at Syracuse.

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    Re: Preseason Poll

    As I have stated before, the Conference Tournament will always knock us out. Regular season conference champs don't mean crap to the selection committee. One little piss ant team can elimate the real conference champ by having one good game all season and they probably don't even win the tournament. I am against conference tournaments for this reason. I know they were started to perhaps get two teams into the NCAA's but it hasn't worked out for the smaller conferences. Just another reason not to follow or like college basketball.

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    Re: Preseason Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by boxerdog View Post
    Getting votes preseason bodes well for us. If we sniff the top 25 before conference, then a regular season conference championship will likely earn an at-large.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg06 View Post
    Likely but not guaranteed. An AP Top 25 ranked Utah State team with a regular season title got left out one year. Recently Top 30 RPI teams in Southern Miss and Missouri State have been left out. You never know what criteria the selection committee is gonna use. It seems like recently they've been emphasizing Top 50 RPI wins, which we may only have one opportunity to notch this year... at Syracuse.
    Dawg06, does your likely mean something different than boxerdog's likely?

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    Re: Preseason Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by maverick View Post
    Dawg06, does your likely mean something different than boxerdog's likely?
    No. Simply expounding upon what he said.

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    Re: Preseason Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Houston Techsan View Post
    As I have stated before, the Conference Tournament will always knock us out. Regular season conference champs don't mean crap to the selection committee. One little piss ant team can elimate the real conference champ by having one good game all season and they probably don't even win the tournament. I am against conference tournaments for this reason. I know they were started to perhaps get two teams into the NCAA's but it hasn't worked out for the smaller conferences. Just another reason not to follow or like college basketball.
    Actually, if the schedule is good enough, it can mean all the difference in the world still. Two scenarios if our rpi is high enough: We lose the regular season, but win the tournament championship - automatic in the NCAA. We win the regular season championship outright and our rpi is high enough (with some real SIGNATURE wins) - at-large bid to NCAA.

    The key is still having a good rpi. The two recent cases are anomalies, hopefully. Both were outrageous omissions. Basketball is a perfect system, but a helluva lot better than football for schools like Tech (G5 conferences).

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    Re: Preseason Poll

    If we win at the Cuse or NCSt - and having a high starting rpi - should be around 50 or mid 40's then we have a strong enough schedule to warrant an at-large if we make it to the conference semis or finals...

    I say basketball is a lot fairer than college fb - in football we play for a conference championship and a meaningless bowl game that's it

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    Re: Preseason Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden View Post
    If we win at the Cuse or NCSt - and having a high starting rpi - should be around 50 or mid 40's then we have a strong enough schedule to warrant an at-large if we make it to the conference semis or finals...

    I say basketball is a lot fairer than college fb - in football we play for a conference championship and a meaningless bowl game that's it

    If basketball you play for the chance to win 6 straight games regardless of the name of the school across your chest -
    What do you mean by high starting RPI? Everybody starts out with a clean slate. 25% your record. 75% SOS. Our SOS is gonna be bad, probably just as bad as the last few years.

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    Re: Preseason Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg06 View Post
    What do you mean by high starting RPI? Everybody starts out with a clean slate. 25% your record. 75% SOS. Our SOS is gonna be bad, probably just as bad as the last few years.
    It is influenced by prior year - they say the formula isn't and it's unbiased but I still believe otherwise
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden View Post
    It is influenced by prior year - they say the formula isn't and it's unbiased but I still believe otherwise
    No, it's a clean slate. Other sites can perfectly mimic the RPI formula. It's a really simple formula, archaic actually and needs to be thrown out IMO. The only discrepancies come from the NCAA not publishing whether they deem certain sites as home, semi-home, neutral, semi-away, or away.

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    Re: Preseason Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg06 View Post
    No, it's a clean slate. Other sites can perfectly mimic the RPI formula. It's a really simple formula, archaic actually and needs to be thrown out IMO. The only discrepancies come from the NCAA not publishing whether they deem certain sites as home, semi-home, neutral, semi-away, or away.
    I know the mathematics behind it - but I still think its biased based on prior year performance and current year expectations
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