You see, that statement is just plain wrong. our existence is defined by our space, time, energy, matter matrix which was created by the Big Bang and we have no knowledge of anything before the Big Bang.
By definition, existence did not exist before the Big Bang.
The axioms might be valid but they don't really go beyond their self-evident nature.
Of course non-existence doesn't exist.
I'm saying that a supreme being doesn't exist to your understanding of existence. Therefore trying to say that existence as we know it has to be a certain way and that has to apply to supreme beings as well is silly.
Can something with no matter or energy exist? I guess God doesn't exist. If an entity exists outside of our "definition" of existence then you can't say that they don't have any control over existence/non-existence.
If God exists then existence had to be here before God? We wouldn't know enough about God to say one way or the other. Who could say if there was anything before God or where God came from? Is God everything?
Again the idea of logically painting God into a box is silly because the existence of God defies logic.
Wow, you make one arbitrary statement after another. Who says that our space, time, energy, matter matrix could not be any other way?
You might think that life forms are a small part of our space, time, energy, matter matrix, but it is safe to say that they are the most intriguing aspect of it.
The only definition of existence is "all that is".
The idea of relying on a God that is outside of the box of existence is what is silly.
But you haven't answered my questions with regard to consciousness. Are you suggesting that God is conscious? If God is independent of existence, what is God conscious of?
That statement just doesn't make any sense. I agree that our senses gives us information about our space, time, energy matter matrix, but OUR existence started with the Big Bang. Before the Big Bang OUR space, time, energy, matter matrix did not exist.
Any other existence prior to the Big Bang is just idle, arbitrary speculation.
The problem is that we cannot imagine any other existence other than our space, time, energy, matter matrix.
The only definition of existence that we have is our space, time, energy, matter matrix. Perhaps you would care to explain how there could be anything more than that?
I couldn't possibly explain anything about God, which is my point. I am not suggesting that God is anything. I'm just saying that saying God is anything is assumption so regarding God you can't say he can't "be" anything or "do" anything or exist in a certain way.
You can't prove or disprove that God "is" or "isn't" anything so there isn't much point in debating anything about it.
I'm not saying that anybody should or shouldn't be relying on anything. If God is outside the box of existence but is not non-existant then that would be another realm altogether. Perhaps a supreme being would have different rules as to existence altogether.
But you couldn't say one way or the other.
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
It is the only logical conclusion. How do YOU become aware of your own consciousness? First, you discover a first object. Second, you discover a second, different object. Third, you appreciate that the second object is different than the first object. Fourth, you recognize (a) that all things are not the same, and (b) you can distinguish one thing from another. Fifth, you recognize that you have the ABILITY to perceive and distinguish.
To get to the ability to "create" things, you have to learn even more. Knowledge of EVERYTHING comes from perception. Without having "inputs" a consciousness would be absolutely worthless and a contradiction in terms.
The logical steps for consciousness probably wouldn't apply to something that was eternal and omnipotent. If a being always was omnipotent always existed then it wouldn't follow those rules, but be the exception to them.
And nobody can answer the question of where God came from, just that he has always been. I don't think "always been" can properly be comprehended by humans, if this was the case.
But yes, those logical steps for consciousness apply to humans certainly.