Covid - 19 - Louisiana Edition

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Being safe for 90% of the population isn’t safe by any stretch.



I don’t think you know what the word “safe” means.

And there is the fact that it did kill some COVID patients in the French study.

But apparently medical advice is now party of the Republican Party platform.

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Most prescription drugs would not qualify as safe by your standard.

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Originally Posted by detltu

Most prescription drugs would not qualify as safe by your standard.

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Most prescription drugs are not "safe" and that's why they are prescription drugs...which is why the evaluation process is important.

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Originally Posted by detltu

Most prescription drugs would not qualify as safe by your standard.

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Those that put 10 percent of the people in a “danger zone” for serious cardiac complications wouldn’t be. Is that most prescription drugs?

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Fauci says he doesn’t know the drug works.

Literally no one is saying that physicians should not use the drug if they think it will work for their patient. Some studies show it is effective and some show the opposite. There hasn’t been real clinical studies, so there is a higher degree of uncertainty.

Physicians will have to manage their way through this. They are allowed to prescribe it, so I don’t know what more you need in the interim.

Saying it isn’t dangerous or that it is “safe” or that it is “proven effective” is just ignorance, though.

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Saying the opposite is just ignorance as well. If someone says it is safe for everyone I agree that is ignorance. It has known risks and unfortunately there is a large overlap of the conditions that put you at risk for COVID and at risk for complications from the drug. Proven is probably too strong a word for a legal discussion, but it has shown a lot of promise as an effective drug for this disease, particularly when combined with other things. There is still a lot of testing to be done and we will likely (hopefully) find much better drugs to combat the virus, but for now we are limited. That doesn't mean we should go full bore prescribing it to everyone, but until we have a better alternative it is our best bet. To imply otherwise is foolish.

There is a middle ground here like with anything. "Perfectly safe" and "Proven effective" are poor word choice and don't reflect reality. "Dangerous" and "unproven" are the other end of the spectrum. It is an established drug with known risks and side effects and has shown promise as a treatment. Doctors can prescribe it now and hopefully they are weighing the risks and prescribing it to those who might benefit.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Those that put 10 percent of the people in a “danger zone” for serious cardiac complications wouldn’t be. Is that most prescription drugs?

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Probably more than you realize.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

Most prescription drugs are not "safe" and that's why they are prescription drugs...which is why the evaluation process is important.

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Do you know how many prescription drugs are taken on a daily basis? This is an idiotic position. I'm sorry. I know you are just dug in and trying to defend a position but be realistic. Even OTC drugs are dangerous under the right conditions (or wrong conditions). We are not talking about handing them out like candy. No one has ever suggested that. To imply otherwise is ridiculous.

You guys are going to have to give me an example of something you consider safe? Any medicines or drugs you think qualify.

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Originally Posted by detltu

Do you know how many prescription drugs are taken on a daily basis? This is an idiotic position. I'm sorry. I know you are just dug in and trying to defend a position but be realistic. Even OTC drugs are dangerous under the right conditions (or wrong conditions). We are not talking about handing them out like candy. No one has ever suggested that. To imply otherwise is ridiculous.

You guys are going to have to give me an example of something you consider safe? Any medicines or drugs you think qualify.

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It feels like you’re responding to something I didn’t say.

Are you saying it’s idiotic to have a rigorous evaluation process from approved drug uses?

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Those that put 10 percent of the people in a “danger zone” for serious cardiac complications wouldn’t be. Is that most prescription drugs?

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It's an opinion not a fact that there is a 10% danger zone. No doctor is going to prescribe this drug to a patient who has the cardiac issues that are described on the warning label.

Inexpensive is available. That bothers many more that the supposed and undocumented dangers of taking it.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

It's an opinion not a fact that there is a 10% danger zone. No doctor is going to prescribe this drug to a patient who has the cardiac issues that are described on the warning label.

Inexpensive is available. That bothers many more that the supposed and undocumented dangers of taking it.

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The medical opinion of a well qualified doctor, which outweighs the opinion of POTUS (where the P doesn’t mean Pharmacologist).

Btw, the drug is now available for COVID, which is a non indicated use, but some patients with lupus and RA are struggling to get the drug that they use for their treatment.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

The medical opinion of a well qualified doctor, which outweighs the opinion of POTUS (where the P doesn’t mean Pharmacologist).

Btw, the drug is now available for COVID, which is a non indicated use, but some patients with lupus and RA are struggling to get the drug that they use for their treatment.

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More lies...Lupus and RA patients may not be able to run down to Walmart or Walgreens and pick it up for $2, but they can get it. It's not running short.

You have one "well qualified Doctor". I have several "well qualified Doctors". Trump did too, well before he made the statement.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

More lies...Lupus and RA patients may not be able to run down to Walmart or Walgreens and pick it up for $2, but they can get it. It's not running short.

You have one "well qualified Doctor". I have several "well qualified Doctors". Trump did too, well before he made the statement.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox...9-pandemic.amp

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

It feels like you’re responding to something I didn’t say.

Are you saying it’s idiotic to have a rigorous evaluation process from approved drug uses?

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Nope I'm responding to exactly what you said. "Most prescription drugs are not safe and that's why they are prescription drugs."

Again no one has been saying these drugs should be handed out like candy. The President has not said everyone with Covid-19 should be on this drug. People have latched on to the word safe as if it is somehow misleading when talking about this drug. There are people taking it for RA for goodness sake. While RA can have complications itself that can lead to life threatening conditions we are talking about a disease that is killing people.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox...9-pandemic.amp

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I guess they should be thankful they aren't having this unsafe drug shoved down their throats. Certainly it's going to be harder to find with more and more people using the drug. That is not unexpected. I suspect they are ramping up production. I'm not sure I believe that it's quite as hard to come by as the story makes it sound though. Hopefully everyone who needs it is able to get it and people aren't over-prescribing it.

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Originally Posted by detltu

I guess they should be thankful they aren't having this unsafe drug shoved down their throats. Certainly it's going to be harder to find with more and more people using the drug. That is not unexpected. I suspect they are ramping up production. I'm not sure I believe that it's quite as hard to come by as the story makes it sound though. Hopefully everyone who needs it is able to get it and people aren't over-prescribing it.

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They take smaller doses and don’t have contraindications, in general.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

They take smaller doses and don’t have contraindications, in general.

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And no one here is recommending a dosage or giving it to people with contraindications.