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Originally Posted by turbodawg

4th was inactivated. 3rd stood up years ago. 2ACR still has my heart.

Do you think 10th Mountain did not have ammunition?

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The 4th was inactivated? They just built them a brand new HQ building. I happened to be on post when they had a welcome home parade for the 4/10 some years ago. That was 2015 or 2016, I think... The MPs apologized saying the main road would be blocked for a while. I called the agency where I had a presentation to make and told them I was stuck on the other side of the parade. No problem, they said, get here when you can. So! I asked the nice MP if I could pull out of traffic and park somewhere so I could properly watch the parade. He moved a barricade and I parked on a side street.

I admit it, I am like a kid when it comes to honoring our wonderfully gallant troops! Cheering, clapping, shouting "Thanks!" to 'em.

Thanks? "Thanks for your service..." seems inadequate. We utter those words, sometimes robotically, as if we meet our obligation of appreciation by doing so. I don't know...

Well well well.. Looks like Goosey may have fallen, as he has so many times in the past, to unverified stories..


Atlantic Editor Admits Story About Trump Disparaging Fallen Soldiers Could Be Wrong

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Jeffrey Goldberg, Editor-in-Chief for The Atlantic, confessed that the central claim in his publication’s reprehensible hit piece on the President could very well be false.

The Atlantic column starts off with a claim that the President did not want to visit the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, because “his hair would become disheveled in the rain” and that “he did not believe it important to honor American war dead.”

Remember – this is the lede to the piece and sets up every other argument throughout. That Trump despises the military and veterans, and referred to them as “suckers” and “losers.”

Goldberg admits that his four, off-the-record, anonymous sources may not have been correct and that the visit was indeed called off due to weather.

When presented with an excerpt from former national security adviser John Bolton’s book which details how the weather was the cause for cancellation of the visit to the cemetery, not a decision by POTUS over his hair, Goldberg conceded, “I’m sure all of those things are true.”

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Nah! Goosey is never wrong because, like his hero, Sleepy Creepy quid pro quo Joe Biden, he is interested in the "truth," not any facts.

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Originally Posted by FriscoDog

Well well well.. Looks like Goosey may have fallen, as he has so many times in the past, to unverified stories..


Atlantic Editor Admits Story About Trump Disparaging Fallen Soldiers Could Be Wrong

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Jeffrey Goldberg, Editor-in-Chief for The Atlantic, confessed that the central claim in his publication’s reprehensible hit piece on the President could very well be false.

The Atlantic column starts off with a claim that the President did not want to visit the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, because “his hair would become disheveled in the rain” and that “he did not believe it important to honor American war dead.”

Remember – this is the lede to the piece and sets up every other argument throughout. That Trump despises the military and veterans, and referred to them as “suckers” and “losers.”

Goldberg admits that his four, off-the-record, anonymous sources may not have been correct and that the visit was indeed called off due to weather.

When presented with an excerpt from former national security adviser John Bolton’s book which details how the weather was the cause for cancellation of the visit to the cemetery, not a decision by POTUS over his hair, Goldberg conceded, “I’m sure all of those things are true.”

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How could this possibly be news? Yes, Goldberg is reporting what someone told him. Goldberg NEVER claims to have firsthand knowledge of the events. How could anyone who knows what a reporter is or does not know this? Even if it wasn't anonymous, this would still be true.

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Originally Posted by FriscoDog

Well well well.. Looks like Goosey may have fallen, as he has so many times in the past, to unverified stories..


Atlantic Editor Admits Story About Trump Disparaging Fallen Soldiers Could Be Wrong

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Jeffrey Goldberg, Editor-in-Chief for The Atlantic, confessed that the central claim in his publication’s reprehensible hit piece on the President could very well be false.

The Atlantic column starts off with a claim that the President did not want to visit the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, because “his hair would become disheveled in the rain” and that “he did not believe it important to honor American war dead.”

Remember – this is the lede to the piece and sets up every other argument throughout. That Trump despises the military and veterans, and referred to them as “suckers” and “losers.”

Goldberg admits that his four, off-the-record, anonymous sources may not have been correct and that the visit was indeed called off due to weather.

When presented with an excerpt from former national security adviser John Bolton’s book which details how the weather was the cause for cancellation of the visit to the cemetery, not a decision by POTUS over his hair, Goldberg conceded, “I’m sure all of those things are true.”

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He did not admit that his informants could be wrong. In fact, he pointed out how all accounts (Bolton and those he spoke to) could all be true. Trump did say the things quoted about the fallen troops, his hair, and the secret service could have recommended cancellation due to weather at the same time. They are not exactly inconsistent.

You just got snookered again without even listening to the Goldberg interview and the tripped and fell on your face in a mad rush to post something here that you never bothered to look into. Typical.

So you have a link and audio proving Trump said those things about military? Surely someone got it recorded.. Not just someone trying to sell books..

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So you have a link and audio proving Trump said those things about military? Surely someone got it recorded.. Not just someone trying to sell books..

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You would just come up with another excuse if they did have it recorded.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

You would just come up with another excuse if they did have it recorded.

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Yet you believe it to be true.. Did you hear your VP Candidate say how proud she was of Jacob Blake? That was recorded.. She is proud of someone charged with felony sexual assault, criminal trespass.

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Yet you believe it to be true.. Did you hear your VP Candidate say how proud she was of Jacob Blake? That was recorded.. She is proud of someone charged with felony sexual assault, criminal trespass.

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Other news sources are reporting that they have received reports confirming it to be true. And it certainly sounds like something the Donald would say.

The fact that Kamala Harris is “proud of him and how he is working through is pain” doesn’t offend me, but I totally get how it offends drama queens.

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Other news sources are reporting that they have received reports confirming it to be true. And it certainly sounds like something the Donald would say.

The fact that Kamala Harris is “proud of him and how he is working through is pain” doesn’t offend me, but I totally get how it offends drama queens.

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I get how you support criminals and thugs as well.. Considering you voiced your support for the CHOP and Antifa folks..

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I get how you support criminals and thugs as well.. Considering you voiced your support for the CHOP and Antifa folks..

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She was being kind to someone that has been shot many times in the back by a cop. Not gonna fault her for being a compassionate human being.

Didn’t voice my support for CHOP or Antifa. That is you being a drama queen again.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

She was being kind to someone that has been shot many times in the back by a cop. Not gonna fault her for being a compassionate human being.

Didn’t voice my support for CHOP or Antifa. That is you being a drama queen again.

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You did.. you said that they were just a bunch of crazy kids and that what they were doing was harmless. You were getting play by plays from your niece who lived there. I'm sure there are other posters on here who can verify my claims.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

She was being kind to someone that has been shot many times in the back by a cop. Not gonna fault her for being a compassionate human being.

Didn’t voice my support for CHOP or Antifa. That is you being a drama queen again.

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You’ve taken up for antifa in the past. You said the thugs in Seattle were nothing to be concerned about. Something about a relative in Seattle who said it was all a great gathering

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Originally Posted by FriscoDog

You did.. you said that they were just a bunch of crazy kids and that what they were doing was harmless. You were getting play by plays from your niece who lived there.

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That isn’t the same thing as saying that I support them. I was not getting overly wound up over it when the right wing media was in hysterics 24-7 over it. Foxnews was even generating fake photos about what was going on. 99% of it was harmless hippy/hipster goofiness.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

You’ve taken up for antifa in the past. You said the thugs in Seattle were nothing to be concerned about. Something about a relative in Seattle who said it was all a great gathering

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That was not antifa. You were getting your chain yanked as usual.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

She was being kind to someone that has been shot many times in the back by a cop. Not gonna fault her for being a compassionate human being.

Didn’t voice my support for CHOP or Antifa. That is you being a drama queen again.

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You’ve taken up for antifa in the past. You said the thugs in Seattle were nothing to be concerned about. Something about a relative in Seattle who said it was all a great gathering

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You’ve taken up for antifa in the past. You said the thugs in Seattle were nothing to be concerned about. Something about a relative in Seattle who said it was all a great gathering

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A 140-lb frail, white woman....

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

That isn’t the same thing as saying that I support them.

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Please copy and paste your post on here where you denounce Antifa and the riots.. please include date/timestamp.. I could have missed it. If you have, then I apologize.

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Originally Posted by FriscoDog

Please copy and paste your post on here where you denounce Antifa and the riots.. please include date/timestamp.. I could have missed it. If you have, then I apologize.

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it won’t be too difficult to find the posts where he took up for the terrorists.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

A 140-lb frail, white woman....

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I doubt she weighs 100. But she wasn’t going against antifa, just people handing out free vegan ice cream while folks were painting the road.

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Originally Posted by FriscoDog

Please copy and paste your post on here where you denounce Antifa and the riots.. please include date/timestamp.. I could have missed it. If you have, then I apologize.

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While you are at it, you can look for my posts denouncing sharks, lightning, and Pygmy rattlesnakes...any of which you are far more likely to have a dangerous close encounter with than the person that is actually part of Antifa.

However since you guys watch Foxnews, you mistakenly see Antifa everywhere. That is fake news.

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Please copy and paste your post on here where you denounce Antifa and the riots.. please include date/timestamp.. I could have missed it. If you have, then I apologize.

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it won’t be too difficult to find the posts where he took up for the terrorists.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

However since you guys watch Foxnews, you mistakenly see Antifa everywhere. That is fake news.

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nope it’s true

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

nope it’s true

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Then it should be super easy for you to tell me the following:

(1) approximately how many people are in Antifa,
(2) who are their leader(s),
(3) name at least 5 of the victims they have killed.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Then it should be super easy for you to tell me the following:

(1) approximately how many people are in Antifa,
(2) who are their leader(s),
(3) name at least 5 of the victims they have killed.

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1- Why would I even care? I know you do.
2- The same idiot thugs who speak for BLM
3- They are thugs who attack innocent people. Who said they killed 5?

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

1- Why would I even care? I know you do.
2- The same idiot thugs who speak for BLM
3- They are thugs who attack innocent people. Who said they killed 5?

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That is what I thought. You know nothing about this boogeyman. It is fake news and you fall for it.

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That is what I thought. You know nothing about this boogeyman. It is fake news and you fall for it.

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Nope. You and your media peeps embrace the anarchists, not me or FOX.

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Nope. You and your media peeps embrace the anarchists, not me or FOX.

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You can’t even tell me anything about them but you are convinced that they are a problem in America.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

The 4th was inactivated? They just built them a brand new HQ building. I happened to be on post when they had a welcome home parade for the 4/10 some years ago. That was 2015 or 2016, I think... The MPs apologized saying the main road would be blocked for a while. I called the agency where I had a presentation to make and told them I was stuck on the other side of the parade. No problem, they said, get here when you can. So! I asked the nice MP if I could pull out of traffic and park somewhere so I could properly watch the parade. He moved a barricade and I parked on a side street.

I admit it, I am like a kid when it comes to honoring our wonderfully gallant troops! Cheering, clapping, shouting "Thanks!" to 'em.

Thanks? "Thanks for your service..." seems inadequate. We utter those words, sometimes robotically, as if we meet our obligation of appreciation by doing so. I don't know...

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Yup. Been a little while.

Are you thinking of the new-ish garrison command building?

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

it won’t be too difficult to find the posts where he took up for the terrorists.

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He always does.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

However since you guys watch Foxnews, you mistakenly see Antifa everywhere. That is fake news.

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You’ve lost it my friend. The leftist Dems and their sheep have become the ultra fascist right in front of your face. Why won’t you admit it?

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

You can’t even tell me anything about them but you are convinced that they are a problem in America.

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Seattle, Portland, and most of the left coast are all having what you said was going to be the summer of love thanks to antifa and BLM. Those are not Trump supporters who are burning and looting.

It will be funny when some of your freak friends wearing an antifa or BLM TShirt verbally attacks a "blue lives matter" person and the gets what they deserve.

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Originally Posted by turbodawg

Yup. Been a little while.

Are you thinking of the new-ish garrison command building?

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As I recall there were two brand new buildings being finished up, last time I was at Ft. Polk, and that was 2016 (time flies!). One was a maybe 4-story structure just past Memorial Park on the right, on the main drag, and another kind of across the road near the fire station at that intersection. I thought one of those was the 4/10 HQs...or maybe, the brigade was to have HQs in the new building. New-ish? Thought the buildings were both brand new construction.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Seattle, Portland, and most of the left coast are all having what you said was going to be the summer of love thanks to antifa and BLM. Those are not Trump supporters who are burning and looting.

It will be funny when some of your freak friends wearing an antifa or BLM TShirt verbally attacks a "blue lives matter" person and the gets what they deserve.

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Yet with all that coverage that you have watched you can’t tell me any actual facts about antifa. Why do you think that is?

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Yet with all that coverage that you have watched you can’t tell me any actual facts about antifa. Why do you think that is?

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What do you need to know? They are physically violent. You are all about the cancel culture, but also support violence.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

What do you need to know? They are physically violent. You are all about the cancel culture, but also support violence.

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You can’t even tell me who they are. If I were writing a letter of condemnation, who would I address it to and what specific acts of violence would I cite?

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What do you need to know? They are physically violent. You are all about the cancel culture, but also support violence.

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Guess it depends on your definition of and tolerance level for "violence." The Left says "silence is violence," but actually attacking people, dragging them out of vehicles and beating them, killing a retired police officer trying to keep looters out of a store, and of course all the burning and looting they do is NOT violence!

Hey Pawdawg, bet you can't name 5 people Hitler murdered in Poland! Therefore, since you can't, it never happened!

The Hollywood Left is vile and disgusting, therefore when you see one of their kind acting kind of sensible, it's refreshing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gzS2z_8wpA

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Guess it depends on your definition of and tolerance level for "violence." The Left says "silence is violence," but actually attacking people, dragging them out of vehicles and beating them, killing a retired police officer trying to keep looters out of a store, and of course all the burning and looting they do is NOT violence!

Hey Pawdawg, bet you can't name 5 people Hitler murdered in Poland! Therefore, since you can't, it never happened!

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I will help Pawdawg out.

https://www.yadvashem.org/yv/pdf-dru...nce/names2.pdf

The vast majority of rioters are not Antifa. The vast majority of those in the movement supporting the intrinsic value of black lives are not rioting and are also not affiliated with Antifa.

The fact that some folks take advantage of protests to carry out acts of violence and destruction has nothing to do with the movement. They are preying on it just like Trump is.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Then it should be super easy for you to tell me the following:

(1) approximately how many people are in Antifa,
(2) who are their leader(s),
(3) name at least 5 of the victims they have killed.

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Do your own research from reliable sources. “The truth will set you free”

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Guess it depends on your definition of and tolerance level for "violence." The Left says "silence is violence," but actually attacking people, dragging them out of vehicles and beating them, killing a retired police officer trying to keep looters out of a store, and of course all the burning and looting they do is NOT violence!

Hey Pawdawg, bet you can't name 5 people Hitler murdered in Poland! Therefore, since you can't, it never happened!

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Guisslapp probably doesn’t believe in the Holocaust either.

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Do your own research from reliable sources. “The truth will set you free”

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So you can’t answer it either. Not surprised. You don’t have any facts to base your opinion on.

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So you can’t answer it either. Not surprised. You don’t have any facts to base your opinion on.

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Curious.. would you say Antifa or BLM killed retired St Louis Police Captain Dorn? Or black man who stabbed Autozone employee in GA because he "felt the need to kill a white male". This guy also in jail killed his white jail cell mate.

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Originally Posted by FriscoDog

Curious.. would you say Antifa or BLM killed retired St Louis Police Captain Dorn? Or black man who stabbed Autozone employee in GA because he "felt the need to kill a white male". This guy also in jail killed his white jail cell mate.

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None of those things actually happened. How do I know that? I saw it reported on FOX, and to boot, saw links to the stories posted on Facebook. Therefore, X didn't happen!

The red X comes from that show Family Feud...ya know when a contestant misses an answer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtKEMWX8OqU

Well, y'all wanted some non-anonymous stuff...now you got it.

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Originally Posted by FriscoDog

Curious.. would you say Antifa or BLM killed retired St Louis Police Captain Dorn? Or black man who stabbed Autozone employee in GA because he "felt the need to kill a white male". This guy also in jail killed his white jail cell mate.

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It doesn’t appear that the person that killed Dorn was part of either organization. Same is true for the guy that stabbed the Autozone worker.

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Well, y'all wanted some non-anonymous stuff...now you got it.

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Are you talking about Trump admitting to Woodward that he knew the virus was more dangerous and that he chose to downplay the danger?

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Are you talking about Trump admitting to Woodward that he knew the virus was more dangerous and that he chose to downplay the danger?

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He didn’t say that

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It doesn’t appear that the person that killed Dorn was part of either organization. Same is true for the guy that stabbed the Autozone worker.

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It has been reported that the guy in GA yelled "black lives matter" as he stabbed the guy. Not sure if this is true or not. If true, I would consider him part of "BLM", wouldn't you? Capt Dorn was killed in direct relation to the riots in St Louis from George Floyd.. How is that not BLM/Antifa?

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It has been reported that the guy in GA yelled "black lives matter" as he stabbed the guy. Not sure if this is true or not. If true, I would consider him part of "BLM", wouldn't you? Capt Dorn was killed in direct relation to the riots in St Louis from George Floyd.. How is that not BLM/Antifa?

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Dorn was killed by someone stealing from a pawn shop. That has nothing to do with a protest.

Haven’t seen any reports that the person stabbing the guy saying “black lives matter”. If so, he might feel like he is part of the movement, but his actions are way out of line with what the movement supports.

Neither have anything to do with Antifa. You guys still can’t tell me a thing about that organization even though it is a favorite boogeyman for the right wing media. Amazing how little you actually know about it as much time as you spend being afraid or concerned about it.

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Dorn was killed by someone stealing from a pawn shop. That has nothing to do with a protest.

Haven’t seen any reports that the person stabbing the guy saying “black lives matter”. If so, he might feel like he is part of the movement, but his actions are way out of line with what the movement supports.

Neither have anything to do with Antifa. You guys still can’t tell me a thing about that organization even though it is a favorite boogeyman for the right wing media. Amazing how little you actually know about it as much time as you spend being afraid or concerned about it.

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Here's a good place to start. https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

To begin at the beginning: Antifa—real name: Antifaschisitsche Aktion—was born during the street-fights of the 1932 Weimar Republic. It was founded by the Stalinist Communist Party of Germany (KPD), although various Communist “anti-fascist defense” units were associated with the KPD much earlier.

Antifa would reestablish itself in the early 1980s, also in Germany, out of Autonomism. Autonomism is an anti-authoritarian anarcho-Marxist ideology associated with the Communist urban guerilla organizations of 1970s and ’80s Europe like Red Army Faction and the Red Brigade. Autonomism would find a home among the young punks of Germany’s squatters’ rights movement. Around this time, Antifa tactics like the “black block,” where large numbers of rioters dress in black and move together in formation as part of a larger protest, were developed.

The modern Antifa movement advances the robust legacy infrastructure of the revolutionary Left through a belief in the efficacy of loose organization. The basic building block of direct-action organizing is the “affinity group,” which is exactly what it sounds like: a group of like-minded people who share a common objective. Pro-Antifa website CrimethInc notes:

This leaderless format has proven effective for guerrilla activities of all kinds, as well as what the RAND Corporation calls “swarming” tactics in which many unpredictable autonomous groups overwhelm a centralized adversary. You should go to every demonstration in an affinity group, with a shared sense of your goals and capabilities. If you are in an affinity group that has experience taking action together, you will be much better prepared to deal with emergencies and make the most of unexpected opportunities

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Here's a good place to start. https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

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What that you read there leads you to believe the BLM organization (which is NOT the same as the larger, more inclusive movement) encourages and engages in violence?

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Here's a good place to start. https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

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This site shows Opal Tometi as one of three founders. She is the one who traveled to Venezuela and proudly posed for pics with the commie leaders there.

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Here's a good place to start. https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

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That organization does not encompass the movement. They were just the ones first clever enough to trademark the hashtag. Don’t fall for that distraction. Most people protesting BLM are not even part of that group.

But even that group is not affiliated with Antifa.

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To begin at the beginning: Antifa—real name: Antifaschisitsche Aktion—was born during the street-fights of the 1932 Weimar Republic. It was founded by the Stalinist Communist Party of Germany (KPD), although various Communist “anti-fascist defense” units were associated with the KPD much earlier.

Antifa would reestablish itself in the early 1980s, also in Germany, out of Autonomism. Autonomism is an anti-authoritarian anarcho-Marxist ideology associated with the Communist urban guerilla organizations of 1970s and ’80s Europe like Red Army Faction and the Red Brigade. Autonomism would find a home among the young punks of Germany’s squatters’ rights movement. Around this time, Antifa tactics like the “black block,” where large numbers of rioters dress in black and move together in formation as part of a larger protest, were developed.

The modern Antifa movement advances the robust legacy infrastructure of the revolutionary Left through a belief in the efficacy of loose organization. The basic building block of direct-action organizing is the “affinity group,” which is exactly what it sounds like: a group of like-minded people who share a common objective. Pro-Antifa website CrimethInc notes:

This leaderless format has proven effective for guerrilla activities of all kinds, as well as what the RAND Corporation calls “swarming” tactics in which many unpredictable autonomous groups overwhelm a centralized adversary. You should go to every demonstration in an affinity group, with a shared sense of your goals and capabilities. If you are in an affinity group that has experience taking action together, you will be much better prepared to deal with emergencies and make the most of unexpected opportunities

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But the only question of the three that I asked that this half way answers is “who are some of its leaders?”

Still doesn’t answer the question of how many people are part of the organization and how many people they have actually been responsible for killing.

You are still far more likely to have a dangerous encounter with sharks, lightning or Pygmy rattlesnakes than you are with Antifa.

As your article points out - these guys don’t lead protests. They take advantage of other people’s protests acting like leeches to serve their own objectives - not those promoting such things as the intrinsic value of black lives.

You guys get your chains yanked constantly on this nonsense and it is silly. Antifa doesn’t make a top 10 list for organizations that pose an actual threat to this country. The Republican Party would even outrank it. Certainly Trump supporters have killed more people than Antifa has.

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What that you read there leads you to believe the BLM organization (which is NOT the same as the larger, more inclusive movement) encourages and engages in violence?

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Then why doesn't the larger more inclusive movement publicly condemn these acts of violence when people commit them in the name of BLM?

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Then why doesn't the larger more inclusive movement publicly condemn these acts of violence when people commit them in the name of BLM?

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They do, but FoxNews doesn’t highlight it because it doesn’t fit the Presidents narrative. Biden and Harris certainly have done it multiple times.

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They do, but FoxNews doesn’t highlight it because it doesn’t fit the Presidents narrative. Biden and Harris certainly have done it multiple times.

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That's not BLM... and Biden and Harris have only started saying it more and more since the polls show support shifting to Trump.. That's not my words.. those are Don Lemon's words..

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That's not BLM... and Biden and Harris have only started saying it more and more since the polls show support shifting to Trump.. That's not my words.. those are Don Lemon's words..

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Biden and Harris are part of the movement. Trump isn’t, which is a sad state of affairs for this country.

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But the only question of the three that I asked that this half way answers is “who are some of its leaders?”

Still doesn’t answer the question of how many people are part of the organization and how many people they have actually been responsible for killing.

You are still far more likely to have a dangerous encounter with sharks, lightning or Pygmy rattlesnakes than you are with Antifa.

As your article points out - these guys don’t lead protests. They take advantage of other people’s protests acting like leeches to serve their own objectives - not those promoting such things as the intrinsic value of black lives.

You guys get your chains yanked constantly on this nonsense and it is silly. Antifa doesn’t make a top 10 list for organizations that pose an actual threat to this country. The Republican Party would even outrank it. Certainly Trump supporters have killed more people than Antifa has.

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I would hope so, given I have personally killed One gazillion thirty-two thousand four hundred seventeen...wait....okay, back... make that eighteen, that dude won't be still sitting when the light changes green anymore! Dern, I hate that. And, I am in semi-retirement! Shoulda seen me in my prime!

I did a quick search...not surprisingly the lamestream media and their comrades in social media control the narrative and cover-up as much of the facts as they can. I did find several sites and the consensus is around 28 killed, 420 injured, and 5 police officers killed and over 700 injured, as a direct result of the Antifa/BLM riots. Now...property damage is way up in the $tens of millions thanks to Antifa/BLM.

But, they have a long way to go to catch my gazillion+ kills! And I ain't waiting for 'em either. Just got a shipment of ammo. I'm heading out shortly! :bomb:

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That's not BLM... and Biden and Harris have only started saying it more and more since the polls show support shifting to Trump.. That's not my words.. those are Don Lemon's words..

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Biden condemned it in May, July, and August.

DHS says the greatest domestic terror threat is from White Supremacy groups. Doesn’t fit the talk radio narrative, but there you have it.

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DHS says the greatest domestic terror threat is from White Supremacy groups. Doesn’t fit the talk radio narrative, but there you have it.

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And pray tell, when was the last time we saw any "White Supremacy" group rioting in the streets, killing people, stealing expensive sneakers and big screen TVs!?


Nah...I can't remember instances either.

BTW, johnny, you owe me a list of examples of how the Russians are gonna steal the election. Still waiting on that list.

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And pray tell, when was the last time we saw any "White Supremacy" group rioting in the streets, killing people, stealing expensive sneakers and big screen TVs!?


Nah...I can't remember instances either.

BTW, johnny, you owe me a list of examples of how the Russians are gonna steal the election. Still waiting on that list.

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Take it up with DHS.

Use google for Russian election strategy...or you can just observe it in your Facebook feed. But alas, the Russians were not the point of the post in question.

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I would hope so, given I have personally killed One gazillion thirty-two thousand four hundred seventeen...wait....okay, back... make that eighteen, that dude won't be still sitting when the light changes green anymore! Dern, I hate that. And, I am in semi-retirement! Shoulda seen me in my prime!

I did a quick search...not surprisingly the lamestream media and their comrades in social media control the narrative and cover-up as much of the facts as they can. I did find several sites and the consensus is around 28 killed, 420 injured, and 5 police officers killed and over 700 injured, as a direct result of the Antifa/BLM riots. Now...property damage is way up in the $tens of millions thanks to Antifa/BLM.

But, they have a long way to go to catch my gazillion+ kills! And I ain't waiting for 'em either. Just got a shipment of ammo. I'm heading out shortly! :bomb:

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So, since you have a small subset of people that were killed in the riots, you can now look up who murdered them and see if they are actually associated with Antifa or the black lives matter movement, which themselves are two very different things. The former is a leech on the latter.

I am only aware of 1 Antifa related killing in the past decade. There might be more. As much reporting as the right wing media does on Antifa violence it should be easy to prove...unless they have been spinning the whole thing.

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He didn’t say that

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He withheld information about the problem and deliberately downplayed it because he didn’t think people could handle the information? That is a great leader. Lol

Meanwhile, we saw the impact of his effort to downplay the reality in how Trump supporters responded to the Covid crisis - fighting efforts to control the spread every step of the way while parroting the president’s lie that it was a hoax.

You guys suffer from a major case of Stockholm Syndrome. You will defend the man no matter what he does to you.

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Biden condemned it in May, July, and August.

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No he didn't

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No he didn't

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Sure did. It’s been linked. Don’t tell tales MD.

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Sure did. It’s been linked. Don’t tell tales MD.

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Not direct quotes, but interpretations by your heroes in the MSM. He totally ignored the violence until the pollsters told him and his brown running mate to begin talking down the violence. They still pretty much condone it.

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Not direct quotes, but interpretations by your heroes in the MSM. He totally ignored the violence until the pollsters told him and his brown running mate to begin talking down the violence. They still pretty much condone it.

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He has released the recordings.

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He has released the recordings.

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Replied to the wrong post...

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Not direct quotes, but interpretations by your heroes in the MSM. He totally ignored the violence until the pollsters told him and his brown running mate to begin talking down the violence. They still pretty much condone it.

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May 31 -

“Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not.”

June 2 -

“There’s no place for violence, no place for looting or destroying property or burning churches or destroying businesses […] we need to distinguish between legitimate peaceful protest and opportunistic violent destruction”

July 28 -

https://www.c-span.org/video/?474269...laware-economy

August 30 -

“The deadly violence we saw overnight in Portland is unacceptable […] as a country we must condemn the incitement of hate and resentment that led to this deadly clash. It is not a peaceful protest when you go out spoiling for a fight.”

Sorry, Pawdawg, but you are just regurgitating Trump propaganda that is not true.

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Not direct quotes, but interpretations by your heroes in the MSM. He totally ignored the violence until the pollsters told him and his brown running mate to begin talking down the violence. They still pretty much condone it.

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Somebody is lying to you PD, but it’s not me.

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May 31 -

“Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not.”

June 2 -

“There’s no place for violence, no place for looting or destroying property or burning churches or destroying businesses […] we need to distinguish between legitimate peaceful protest and opportunistic violent destruction”

July 28 -

https://www.c-span.org/video/?474269...laware-economy

August 30 -

“The deadly violence we saw overnight in Portland is unacceptable […] as a country we must condemn the incitement of hate and resentment that led to this deadly clash. It is not a peaceful protest when you go out spoiling for a fight.”

Sorry, Pawdawg, but you are just regurgitating Trump propaganda that is not true.

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He condoned the violence in every one of those statements by trying to reason with criminals. Good grief, you people love the destruction. Three half assed statements while patting them on back.

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He condoned the violence in every one of those statements by trying to reason with criminals. Good grief, you people love the destruction. Three half assed statements while patting them on back.

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TDS

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You guys still can’t tell me a thing about that organization even though it is a favorite boogeyman for the right wing media. Amazing how little you actually know about it as much time as you spend being afraid or concerned about it.

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some "a" grade gaslighting going on here, but surely you don't believe this type of argument actually supports your assertion that antifa isn't a thing?

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TDS

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Reasoning skills that don't allow hate of one man to dominate my life.

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Reasoning skills that don't allow hate of one man to dominate my life.

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😂

I think your old screen name was better.

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some "a" grade gaslighting going on here, but surely you don't believe this type of argument actually supports your assertion that antifa isn't a thing?

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I didn’t say it isn’t a thing. In fact I said I am aware of one death caused by Antifa in the past decade. But it isn’t nearly a thing on the scale made out by the right wing media.

There is no doubt the Dems will cheat. It won't just affect the POTUS race, but will also change the outcomes of a lot of congressional, state, and local races. The illegal ballot harvesting scheme, that the Dems used to steal the House in 2018, will be in full force.

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I didn’t say it isn’t a thing. In fact I said I am aware of one death caused by Antifa in the past decade. But it isn’t nearly a thing on the scale made out by the right wing media.

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A patriot prayer guy was killed in Portland within last two weeks by an Antifa guy.. who was killed by FBI agents when they attempted to arrest him.

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A patriot prayer guy was killed in Portland within last two weeks by an Antifa guy.. who was killed by FBI agents when they attempted to arrest him.

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That is the same 1 death I am counting.

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I didn’t say it isn’t a thing. In fact I said I am aware of one death caused by Antifa in the past decade. But it isn’t nearly a thing on the scale made out by the right wing media.

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i don't know what scale the right wing media makes them out to be, but they are a loosely affiliated group committed to using violence and intimidation to advance a political agenda and silence anyone they disagree with. and they often get a lot of sympathy and easy treatment from academia and the mainstream media.

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i don't know what scale the right wing media makes them out to be, but they are a loosely affiliated group committed to using violence and intimidation to advance a political agenda and silence anyone they disagree with. and they often get a lot of sympathy and easy treatment from academia and the mainstream media.

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I haven’t seen “easy treatment”. Just I haven’t seen anything other than the Trump propaganda machine talk about them daily before. And the only reason I know that is because Ray and Frisco seem to find a new Antifa article to post everyday. You would think this is happening everywhere, when these are mostly some random chumps that seem to show up and wreck other people’s actual protests from time to time. Sure they seem to be more prolific in the Pacific Northwest, but even then, their scale seems to be quite small, probably because they have no real organization or leadership.

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That's not BLM... and Biden and Harris have only started saying it more and more since the polls show support shifting to Trump.. That's not my words.. those are Don Lemon's words..

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Biden is the master of the “Flip and flop”. Mr Flip Flop.

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Biden is the master of the “Flip and flop”. Mr Flip Flop.

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Biden began criticizing the violence in May when it began. I already posted the quote.

Btw, little known fact. The first acts of violence after the Floyd killing was actually a suspected white supremacist (“an Aryan Cowboy”) that was trying to incite riots and racial tensions

https://m.startribune.com/police-umb...ing/571932272/

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Take it up with DHS.

Use google for Russian election strategy...or you can just observe it in your Facebook feed. But alas, the Russians were not the point of the post in question.

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Duly noted: Russians interfered, CHANGED the 2016 outcome, and if Trump wins again, why it will because the Russians did it. But, you can't produce a single example. Got it.

BTW, you do know the operatives who contrived the story are now admitting they made it up, right?

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Biden began criticizing the violence in May when it began. I already posted the quote.

Btw, little known fact. The first acts of violence after the Floyd killing was actually a suspected white supremacist (“an Aryan Cowboy”) that was trying to incite riots and racial tensions

https://m.startribune.com/police-umb...ing/571932272/

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Have you seen anything in print about the "Umbrella" man since the end of July? Not saying true or false just seems strange that nothings been printed since that time (at least I haven't seen it). If you have please let me know as I'd like to read them.

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Have you seen anything in print about the "Umbrella" man since the end of July? Not saying true or false just seems strange that nothings been printed since that time (at least I haven't seen it). If you have please let me know as I'd like to read them.

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The search warrant was over a month ago, and I haven’t seen any charges yet.

https://heavy.com/wp-content/uploads...ch-Warrant.pdf

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The search warrant was over a month ago, and I haven’t seen any charges yet.

https://heavy.com/wp-content/uploads...ch-Warrant.pdf

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Thanks. I would have thought this would be one of the 'biggest' deals of the riot. Maybe they're building a case, just find it odd that no one has reported any update.

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Thanks. I would have thought this would be one of the 'biggest' deals of the riot. Maybe they're building a case, just find it odd that no one has reported any update.

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Right, some "umbrella man" is responsible for the lefty thugs rioting, burning buildings and police cars, stealing sneakers and big screen TVs...you guys crack me up :laugh:.

I can see it now, a movie, "The Umbrella Man." Just when you thought it was safe to return to the water, er, some Dem city, along comes UMBRELLA MAN! (cue diabolical music). More sinister than the Unibomber, more sneaky than Jack the Ripper, Umbrella Man appears out of nowhere, and with his mind control, turns flower-toting peaceful demonstrators into a raging mob!

Coming to a theater near you....er, when the China virus hoax is lifted.

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Right, some "umbrella man" is responsible for the lefty thugs rioting, burning buildings and police cars, stealing sneakers and big screen TVs...you guys crack me up :laugh:.

I can see it now, a movie, "The Umbrella Man." Just when you thought it was safe to return to the water, er, some Dem city, along comes UMBRELLA MAN! (cue diabolical music). More sinister than the Unibomber, more sneaky than Jack the Ripper, Umbrella Man appears out of nowhere, and with his mind control, turns flower-toting peaceful demonstrators into a raging mob!

Coming to a theater near you....er, when the China virus hoax is lifted.

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Kind of hurts the Hannity/Tucker narrative when it is the anti-blms doing the rioting at the blm protest.

This is hilarious. Our best and brightest.

Mueller team 'accidentally wiped more than 15 phones'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...kxg?li=BBnbcA1

DOJ records show members of Mueller’s team ‘wiped’ phones during Trump probe

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj...m-wiped-phones

I was going to post a link to the CNN report, but didn't see one. Only looked on their front page.

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Kind of hurts the Hannity/Tucker narrative when it is the anti-blms doing the rioting at the blm protest.

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Hah, hah! bad Umbrella Man strikes again! Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men...the Umbrella Man knows! :laugh:

And I thought you don't have a sense of humor. I always admit it when I am mistaken, well, seems you do have a funny side after all. Good for you.

This will be China/ Russia and Soros money!

Published 1 hour ago

Left-wing dark money groups to ‘carpet-bomb’ 2020 election, report warns

"If 2018 is any indicator, we should expect to see the Left carpet-bomb the 2020 presidential election with buckets of anonymous cash, while complaining about the evils of ‘dark money’ the entire time,” the report from conservative watchdog Capital Research Center says.

LIBERAL, DARK MONEY FUNDED COURIER NEWSROOM TARGETS BATTLEGROUND STATES' VOTERS WITH DEMOCRATIC TALKING POINTS BILLED AS NEWS


The CRC first reported last year on what it described as a shadowy network of liberal nonprofits under the banner of Washington-based Arabella Advisors -- afloat on more than a half-billion dollars and run by former Clinton administration appointee Eric Kessler.


CRC's latest report, released Friday, found that between 2006 and 2018, the Arabella network reported revenues of $2.4 billion and nearly $1.9 billion in expenditures. In 2018 alone, the network brought in $635 million in revenue, after having brought in $582 million a year earlier

More

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lef...ps-2020-report

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There is no doubt the Dems will cheat. It won't just affect the POTUS race, but will also change the outcomes of a lot of congressional, state, and local races. The illegal ballot harvesting scheme, that the Dems used to steal the House in 2018, will be in full force.

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Rarely has a piece of journalism reminded me more of BB&B.

https://theweek.com/articles/936589/...itical-polling

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The claim is not, "We don't know what will happen" (which is eminently defensible). It's rather, "The polls are wrong, but I know the truth" (which is almost always a mistaken extrapolation of anecdotal observations). This isn't merely a philosophical curio. Epistemic crises can have practical consequences. People who reject polling data in favor of personal impressions of the race could decide that an election outcome that doesn't match those impressions is illegitimate — "election fraud" or a "stolen election," depending on which way it goes. It's not clear what would persuade them otherwise. . .

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Dude, I agree with Bolton on some things and disagree on others. I’ve said exactly the same thing about Trump. But I’m supporting Trump/Pence again, it’s a clear choice.

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The ONLY choice as Biden is obviously incapable - Trump is the better candidate anyway - and casting a vote for him would be moronic and,frankly, anti American.

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Hate? Nah, I love it when people are transparent. Most of us know who Trump is, but his fan bois keep pretending he’s some patriot. The more you guys have to look at the unvarnished truth, the better.

As for why they sat on the story, who cares? One of the sources is almost certainly Mattis. If it’s him, clearly he sat on it until he felt like he needed to break his silence for the good of the country.

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Regardless of what one thinks of Trump how could a vote for a mentally diminished and incapable Biden possibly be in our country's better interest? If one answers please do so based on Biden positives and not by bashing Trump as that would be no answer.