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Originally Posted by HogDawg
I noticed that on a replay of the game, Mullins seemed to be determined to curb stomp us for some reason, but he also looked like he is quite likely a prick.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Elliott, not really sure what his talent level is at this level, but he certainly seemed to have a calming game manager effect on our offense.
There are a lot of reasons why J'Mar is playing the way he is and as said earlier the list is too long to list and the blame lies on coaches, Talent level, experience, and J'Mar. One thing that really bothered me about J'Mar is that he really seems to be a head case to me, with all of the talent in the world that is not always fixable. I hope I am wrong about J'Mar and he gets his $h*t together and is a big contributor to this teams success, he has the physical attributes to do that, just a mind over matter thing right now.
And yes, it is ALL about the QB, that's where it starts and where it ends, team is only as good as out QB.
It won't continue. J'Mar will get better or Skip will bench him.
Unless the Western Ky game is much better, the leash will be short by South Alabama.
Guy in front of me thought it was a delay of game on the last TD. Could be why he was mad I guess. I wasn't paying attention to the clock.
Most popular guy on the team is the back up QB, just like last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Yup. I really believe JMar will get it togetherQuote:
Originally Posted by DurDog
That's not how the plays are designed. RPO systems are meant to make the defense commit one way and for the offense to take advantage after the defense commits. It's the triple option for the 21st century. The QB can give or keep, depending on how he reads the defensive line. If he keeps, he then can either run or pass, depending on the leverage and how the defense commits. It's not meant to happen in a split second.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Dawg
Read on. See the posts following Blue Dawg's initial post.Quote:
Originally Posted by theprofessor
I think MSU D is for real - that interior D lineman will be playing in the NFL....and I liked what their D coordinator did with the overall team speed. A guy next to me Sat night stated that MSU brought in 10 jucos that are all playing significant time now....that makes a huge difference as well.
That said, J has to protect the football - the turnovers will kill us....The Oline....on some plays it looked like we had a couple of guys whipping butt and a couple getting whipped - we never had the whole like firing at the same time.....it almost looked as if the left and right side of the lines were coached by different coaches.
if we get J a half second more, he won't have the deer in the headlight look.
60 Read Option plays. he didn't run 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by revf
I'm pretty sure there was QB draw (which worked well, too) on the drive where we ran it down their throat with Scott and Craft, only to decide it would be a good idea to the give the passing game a try from the two...but in general, no the play calling doesn't seem to consider QB run plays much. I would say that maybe HC is worried about running J'Mar because of his tendency to put the ball on the grass... but he does that on a lot of passing plays too.Quote:
Originally Posted by revf
He tried to run from the 1 yard line and the result was uummm less than great.... Look how easily the ball was punched out. Ref: 21 second mark of video.Quote:
Originally Posted by DocMarvin362
I hope they run him through the RB ball security drills this week.
http://www.myarklamiss.com/sports/lo...ball/808721371
While I'm getting schooled:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Historian
I noticed several times, especially on screens, the DB would sort of crab shuffle around to the *back* of the receiver after the catch. The receiver would then take off and the DB wouldnt be able to touch him. Was I seeing things or was there a reason I'm not understanding?
Walker can be a pocket passer, from what his highlights showed
http://www.hudl.com/video/3/3433043/...3cd91504d52619
I'd like to know how far he can move along in his progression with reading wrs
But to BlueDawg's point, it was still happening at 7th grade speed. Too slow. And it's never going to fool the defense if the QB NEVER keeps the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by theprofessor
Skip says "we" are not ready for a spread offense. So....just telegraph your game plan to WKU, why don't ya. And, what's this "we" business? Maybe your QB isn't ready for a spread offense, Skip. But I think the WR Corps is...and "we" fans sure are! I think spreading 'em out, like 5 WRs at times, will open things up for a running QB. What do you think?
The QB has to read the defensive end. I haven't watched the tape. I don't know if J'Mar made all of the reads right, or if he made none of the reads right. However, it's not designed to "fool the defense." The defense has to make a decision, and it's the QB's job to make the right read and take advantage of that decision. The defense could scheme to make the QB give 100 percent of the time, and the QB could make the right read every single time and never carry the ball. I doubt that's what is happening, but it very well could be.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Y'all see that hit in the Minn. - Oregon State game? Whoa! OSU QB was too slow deciding in the read-option then left his RB out to dry. Ouch!
Coach speakQuote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Everybody needs to remember Colby Cameron at TAMU in 2010. Dude couldn't do much right. Numerous snaps over his head that he took responsibility for after the game. Threw two ints. Then Higgins against Tulane at home in 2013. 1 int, 1 fumble, guy didn't look like he had it at all. Even last year with SCST.
Both ended up being pretty good QBs. I think JMar can be better than both based on his limited time last season and watching his spring game performance.
He's got to get the fumbles fixed now. If he can do that, we will be okay this season at a minimum. Can be good if he improves otherwise which I think he can do. Seems like the outside hype is screwing with his head honestly.
Yep, way to early to jump ship. It's comical people are saying put Elliot in. That's exactly what happened last year, except JMar had a whole game and some mop up duty. JMar looked better last year because the people around him were playing at a higher level. He's gong to have to step up his game for sure, but by the end of the year, this thread will look as silly as all the others calling for the backup.Quote:
Originally Posted by touchdown123
Every single time we went 5 wide, Moo St blitzed 6 and J'mar had to no time to read. Not sure if we had any hot routes on that. I'd go back and look at the video, but I really don't want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
That's on the coaches. If you know they are gonna blitz 6 then they are manned-up on your 5 WRs, and if you don't have a go-to "safety valve" as we used to call it designated for every play, then that is just lousy coaching. Also, I guarantee that every play one or two DLs engaged in a blitz will take themselves out of the play. Sometimes as many as three will because they choose to go around an OL and it turns out to be the wrong side. That means that a heady, running QB, has opportunities to step up and sometimes to take off and gain 5, 8 maybe more yards. Or, if the DBs react to quickly, the QB could find a WR popping wide open.Quote:
Originally Posted by DocMarvin362
Let's not just look at the Moo State game. We know their D is probably the best we will face all year. But, we saw many of the same issues in the NSU game, and they are probably the worst team on our schedule.
But, I failed to make my point. Skip says publically we have suspended the spread offense for the time being. So, you know WKU is all set to stack the box and stuff Craft and Scott all night long! Then what will our QB do when facing a bunch of 3rd and longs, when....well, looky at that, the defense WILL BLITZ 6! Oh my...we are right back where we were, only in this scenario, we will have just ONE chance each series to move the chains.
Frankly, I think Skip is just blowing smoke. No way he is this stupid.
Oh, just had another thought. Maybe we'll introduce a Navy-type offense. I think Smith would excel in a scheme like that.
They will not change the offense hey may modify the play calling but will not change scheme.
I know all that. Some of us actually played football, so we know how it's supposed to work. But if the defense actually "schemes" to make our QB give the ball 100 per cent of the time as you suggest --and its not working-- then YOU DON'T RUN THAT PLAY ANYMORE. HELLO!Quote:
Originally Posted by theprofessor
Call me spoiled, but I just don't think we have to live thru another 2010 (5-7 record) or 2013 (4-8). We still have a chance to get it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by touchdown123
It's NOT comical to suggest that we give Elliot a deeper look. Elliot drove this team 90 yards, and threw a beautiful TD pass to finish the MSU game. What's really comical --or should I say sad-- is leaving a QB in far too long, long after he's BLOWN the game for his team by fumbling and turning the ball over repeatedly. If you are really hellbent on playing J'Mar Smith --regardless of his results-- then next time at least put Elliot (or someone else) in when we're still trailing by only 21 to 24 points, not by 43 points. It's too late then. That's stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by detltu
That leaves 5 MSU DB's covering 5 Tech WR's one-on-one. I like those odds. We should have been throwing quick slants, down and outs, screen passes, play action passes, etc.... as opposed to letting J'Mar sit back in the pocket holding the football too long like he's Peyton Manning or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by DocMarvin362
But wouldn't that be running the spread offense? Which I still think we should be doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
I agree. My point is I think Smith has shown in the past he can be better than those guys were as freshman and sophomores. Now, JMar has been completely different this far, but I think he can recover. And if he does, we won't have to endure one of those seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Maybe J'Mar can somehow channel some Matt Kubik and play some safe but efficient QB. Take what the defense gives you instead of trying to be a continuation of Higgins or Driskel. Easier said than done of course.
I also wish we had LB's capable of being burned by Marcus Gaines slanting over the middle, yet still able to catch him from behind 50 yards down field. Doubtful any LB's in CUSA would have caught him.
In my opinion, we need to utilize a bigger WR like McKnight as a true TE to help in pass pro, but one who can release and run a route too. 5 wide puts a lot of pressure on a struggling OL and QB.
If we have to live through 2013 again this year, we need to look at more than just replacing the QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
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Originally Posted by HogDawg
Yep. CUSA is BAD...a lot worse than the WAC (at least pre-exodus). J'Mar is young and he's going to make mistakes. If he sees the same level of improvement that Ryan Higgins saw under the Skip regime, I think we'll be just fine. I think Smith has more to work with than anybody we've had save Driskel and McCown.Quote:
Originally Posted by touchdown123
Those two are actually interesting examples. I was in school when Luke was the QB and it seemed to me that he played better when he was younger. As he got older, he seemed to get tight and play like he was thinking too much. Obviously that was a coaching thing as evidenced by his decade + in the NFL. I wouldn't be surprised if J'Mar is going through a similar transition. Things were simple and he had nothing to lose against Arkansas. Now, there's hype and his team is depending on him for more than one game. Add to that the fact that his WR corp took a step back and his OL is playing poorly and you can understand some rough outings. I am hopeful that the staff who took two transfers and Higgins to new heights, will be able to get J'Mar back on track.
Should be an interesting weekend. I highly doubt WKU is as bad as they looked last Saturday...and I'm praying that we aren't.
Tough assignment, beating WKU on the road, but if we can do it we are assured of at least a 2-2 start, and I think most of us would have signed up for that before the season began.
Many of us (not me) had us 1-3 after the first four games. Our schedule set up for it. The team can overcome a 1-3 start, but I don't believe our fan base can. Getting blown out last week was a step back. Losing the next two will be as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tech77
Agreed. 2-2 ain't pretty, but it beats starting 1-3, which I posted about 2 months ago. 1-3 is simply not an acceptable start anymore. As PD points out, it KILLS your home crowd for the rest of the season, because fans don't want to watch an inferior product. We've simply gotta start 2-2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tech77
The good news (for LA Tech) is, WKU appears to be vulnerable this week too. The Hiltoppers lost to a Big10 bottom feeder last week, and their fans on CUSA board are saying that this years WKU offense has no resemblance to last years CUSA championship team. So, there's a chance........
And you lend credence to what fans say on an Internet board?Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
It is true WKU is breaking in a new head coach. So, maybe he has junked their high-octane offense for something more mundane. But given that Holtz has too, that is just sauce for the goose.
Stats seem to indicate it too. Their rushing yards are absolutely dreadful.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
I think that was one of Luke's problems too. Stacked at WR when he arrived, not so much by the time he left.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Luke's problem was that he had trouble reading zone defenses. The more complex the zone defense the more Luke struggled. Phil Bennett was the DC at Kansas State late in the 2001 season when he threw several defenses at Luke that Luke could not handle. That gave a blueprint to everyone else Luke faced moving forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by touchdown123
Luke was rated by several draft analysts before the 2003 season as the 3rd rated QB in the draft behind Eli Manning and Philip Rivers. Had he been able to pick apart the zones that teams like Rice, SMU, UTEP, etc... threw at him in those final 2 seasons he would have been a first round draft pick. The fourth QB in the 2004 draft was JP Losman from Tulane, who went in the 1st round with the 22nd overall pick the Bills. Luke would have not slid past that pick.
So Luke had piss poor QB coaching?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Historian
hope not-- I personally do not throw in towel on OC who had us consistently has us in top 5 offense 3 years in row and put 73 points on board after 2 games. Just wish he would not call the fumble -interception-drop pass plays. I 100% back our Coach and his staff. We lost to Miss State--it was ugly and handfiull of players had horrible gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by mikedog
I can't help but wonder is "protecting" quarterback during practice and scrimmages backfires when he gets hit during game -- Coach Fitch did not lose the game, poor ball protection did. Coach Fitch did not forget how to put together great offense...
Thank you Skip for Sokol- Driskell-patience with Higgins -Carlos- Trent etc. Thanks for 73 points in 2 games and consistently putting top 5 offenses on the field ...Unfortunately we are developing new qb. Is what it is----- I absolutely pointed this out last year after Arkansas game-- J'Mar is work in progress -- coach has to adapt offense to what he has-- I hope to goodness they develop fast, especially protecting the ballQuote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
As you know, losing two Tech greats to the NFL is a step back for sure, but we have good receivers now. One of them will end up being as good as Henderson barring the obvious. It's not easy for guys who got limited PT last year to just walk in and and start playing. We will be fine at receiver. I believe at QB too.Quote:
Originally Posted by touchdown123
He had problems with zone defenses, as did Zac Champion. On the other hand, two QBs that did not have nearly the talent but with the same coaching - Max Causey and Matt Kubik - could pick apart zone defenses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde
Luke owes a lot to Jon Gruden.
Not impressed!
Tonight isn't all on JMar. His receivers have let him down in big spots.
Receivers need to catch the ball!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lotsudo
Veal is having a tough night.
Craft with a big run of 24 yards.
JMar has played a very good game tonight. He's had to contend with dropped balls and crappy Oline play and play calling all night.
Threw for 300 yards. Someone was catching.
IMO JMar almost looked like two different players tonight. In the first half he often looked indecisive and almost panicked - the O-Line was very porous though.
JMar looked much more composed in the 2nd half. Shouldn't have thrown the ball that was intercepted and made at least one other poor pass to the other sideline that was almost picked. Otherwise 2nd half confidence and decisions seemed much improved.
Although he threw the interception to the wrong receiver, the receiver has to play defense on that play. It should not have been caught, but I'm not sure we could have punted much better on 4th down.
I'm still pretty concerned. We played like a real team...for 4 minutes.
That's 4 minutes more than we've played so far this season, so I guess I'll take it. But I'm not handing the crown back just yet.
Drops by the receivers kept him from being close to 400.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
No fumbles.... pulled it/tucked it and ran when defense opened up the middle. Still not rockstar but much better.
Exactly. JMar didn't lay the ball all over the four corners of the field tonight and help us beat ourselves. That was a huge improvement. His 2nd half poise was much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by ETxBullDawg
JMar was worlds better tonight. If Bonnette catches the bomb that was perfectly thrown earlier in the game, it would have been a game changer. Veal had several drops tonight also.
37-7 Miss State beat #11 LSU. Yes Miss State is good.
...and Orgeron ain't. Horrible hire.Quote:
Originally Posted by TechFanno1
Shhhh, let them find that out next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
They didn't want to hire him. They couldn't afford who they wanted...which is pretty funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Has he ever won anywhere he's been?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
with those comments add to JMar is the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by SicemDawgz
J'Mar looked like the J'Mar that we should have expected. Not perfect but I thought he looked poised and accurate. Made two bad throws. The int was iffy but not the worst decision: WR was covered, but it was single coverage. DB made a good play.
Same response I had to Higgins thread last year. Our coaches believe J'Mar is the answer. He had a solid game tonight - at least 7 drops including big TD drop. I believe he will be better every week and our QB is set for next few years. BUT I'm just a Sunshine Pumper
... and the receiver made a bad play not to break up the interception.Quote:
Originally Posted by touchdown123
O was a GREAT hire. Hopefully, will turn out to be another Curley Hallman !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Embrace the pump!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogsince65
Saban?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Craft had a big game tonight, just when we needed it. He was a true workhorse. Craft finished with 14 carries for 81 yards, a 5.8 yd average per carry. He also had 3 catches for 13 yds, and did a great job blocking to protect J'Mar in the pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by SicemDawgz
^^^This is an excellent post. I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by RGTech98
J'Mar has a very strong arm and throws a really good deep ball. BUT, until late in the WKU game, that was about all he was doing right. In the first half when J'Mar ran the ball, he slid to avoid tackles --acting like he was Peyton Manning (I hate that)-- instead of cutting and trying to gain more yards. On another play when he ran up the middle, if he cuts to his right instead of the left, he scores from about 25 yards out. He also badly overthrew a WIDE OPEN Tech receiver in the end zone on one play.Quote:
Originally Posted by SicemDawgz
But he should have never thrown that INT. When he threw that pass, our WR was covered like wallpaper. But J'Mar stared him down from the moment of the snap and was hell bent on throwing only to him.
J'Mar needs to improve his decision making, and his running. I think until late in the WKU game, J'Mar has simply reluctant to tuck it, and run it HARD. He has been too tentative about running the football. For the life of me, I can't understand why Skip Holtz won't "roll out" J'Mar and give him the option to pass or run. That would drive opposing defenses nuts.
Jeff slid a lot too. Maybe its a baseball thing.
The biggest issue for me with J'Mar is his inability, up until now, to look off defensive backs. He stares down his wide receivers on every pass play. When he learns to move defensive backs away from his primary target with his eyes and pump fakes he will create wide open targets for himself.
The other immediate problem is the fact we are running the offense with a dramatically scaled back playbook. As the announcers said during our first possession that decision was made this week. No jet sweeps. Only one fake jet sweep. Only one or two plays where we went up tempo. No power formations until we got into goal line situations. If we have any hope of winning next week or eventually winning a conference championship we're going to have to open up the playbook.
The sliding looked like it was a coached, anti fumble strategy. But I agree, he needs to be able to use his feet more. He looked like he was really trying to protect the ball. On one play, the pocket was collapsing and he tucked the ball and kind of bent down bracing for a hit. When it didn't come he scrambled out and found Watts on the sideline for an important first down. He looked tentative at first but still made the play. That play shows me what he is capable of. When he finds the balance between protective but not too protective he will be great. It is the type of play that defenses cannot defend, the type that drives me crazy when our opponent pull it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
The other thing from last night. Our Wrs had some drops but I saw speed and talent out there. I think Hardy deserves more pt. I was very encouraged by WR play even with the drops.
I think we'll be fine at WR. Route running will get better and J'Mar will learn to look off. Henderson had some key drops over the years. Taylor? I can count those drops on one hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by touchdown123
Well, except for the dropped punts.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
JMARs second half was much better. He still throws too hard on short routes but he set his feet and stood in to throw an accurate ball. If he corrected his happy feet, tech will be fine and he won't be a turnover machine.
Do fumbles count as drops?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
I was talking about as a receiver. I never thought punt receiving was TT's greatest ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Houston Techsan
Did I mention this :icon_razz:
Skip didn't roll J'Mar out (by design) one single time last night. On the other hand, I noticed Mike White did it for WKU, and it worked beautifully against us. Only problem for WKU was, they only ran the roll out a couple of times.Quote:
For the life of me, I can't understand why Skip Holtz won't "roll out" J'Mar and give him the option to pass or run. That would drive opposing defenses nuts.
Perhaps ... and I'm just spitballin' here ... but perhaps the reason he's been so reluctant to tuck and run or take contact is that's what he's been coached to do. These things don't happen in a vacuum. Our top two backup QBs transferred at the end of spring practice. The only other QBs on the roster are a walk-on JUCO transfer and a true freshman. As frustrated as we get with J'Mar's play, he is by far the best option that we have at the position and I'm sure our coaches don't want him taking any unnecessary blows trying to get a couple of extra yards.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
I think everyone now knows that J Mar is the answer
What was the question?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde
I'm so sick of this thread....please take it down. It reflects very poorly of our fans and those affiliated with this board.
We are talking about a quarterback that will have won 30 games before it's all said and done. This will be the winningest quarterback in our football program' modern history (D1).
No, he looked good, but that was against MSU's third stringers. It makes a difference HD ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
I say drop this thread in the pitQuote:
Originally Posted by luckydawg
I don't doubt for a minute that J'Mar has been "coached" to slide and avoid contact. But that's just not going to work. He almost got his head taken off with one of those slides last night. The WKU DB dove head first towards J'Mars helmet when J'Mar stated one of his slides. The good news is, the DB missed.....just barely, or we'd be having another discussion today about concussions and perhaps a broken QB jaw today. Sliding = very bad idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by theprofessor
Wake up! J'Mar played 2 full quarters against MSU's 2nd and 3rd string. :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by BearDawg137
Disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by BearDawg137
First, the BB&B is ultra-tame. If you don't believe me, visit other boards.
Secondly, if Smith grows into a great Tech QB then this thread will melt away on its own.
Third, and most importantly, the board will be boring without some controversy and disagreement.
The "Higgins is not the answer" thread ran the whole season so this one can, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
I'd say this one was somewhat made for revenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Houston Techsan
And, Higgins proved to be the answer. Which is my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Houston Techsan
50% of J'Mar's starts have been against the SEC...after next week, that will go up to 60%. That's a tough first 5 folks. I think he's gonna be just fine.