That's not it at all. Just like us, those schools are seeking the best conference affiliation possible. It's nothing personal against Tech.Quote:
Originally Posted by Houston Techsan
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That's not it at all. Just like us, those schools are seeking the best conference affiliation possible. It's nothing personal against Tech.Quote:
Originally Posted by Houston Techsan
I disagree regarding Memphis and Tulane. We are their peer in sports and and they HATE that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
Those were the two I really meant. Especially Tulane. SMU and Tulsa don't hate us, they just think they are sooooo much above us. I personally don't care about Memphis but Tulane could have really been a rivalry game because of the "hate".Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Most of these programs do not have sellouts. We draw better in football that most. Your statement about endowments is VERY true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgpix
I think Tech, Southern Miss, and Rice have the best name recognition in CUSA. Next is UTEP, Marshall, and ODU. The FU's have NO name recognition and could be JUCO's in many people's eyes across the nation.
CUSA is obsessed with market size, even if the school draws hardly anyone from that market. If they took a look around the P5 conferences, they would find many that are not in large markets, but have a great college town atmosphere.
We do need to work harder at becoming as big of a name in N. Louisiana as we are nationally, though. People know our name, but N. Louisiana doesn't realize it. Our President is doing a great job with academics and athletics and I can see us gaining some momentum going forward. We need to aim higher than we do currently.
Market size doesn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by champion110
I don't think she said thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
It depends on how well it is used. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
UTSA and the FU's may have the size, but do not take advantage of it.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by champion110
It's not so much about the size of the market, but how deeply your product can penetrate.
Here's some endowment numbers I found online this morning dating from 2014 to now. Some, yes, can feel snobbish towards our institution:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgpix
54.9 M -- Ark. State.
58.9 M -- Middle Tennessee
68 M -- Western Ky.
73 M -- Louisiana Tech
93.5 M -- Boise State
94.6 -- Appalacian State
106 M -- Marshall
116.8 M -- USM
132.1 M -- UTArlington
133.9 M -- UTSA
143.4 M -- UNTexas
164.3 M -- Texas St.
177 M -- FIU
181 M -- UNC-Charlotte
199 M -- Memphis
213.4 M -- UTEP
213.7 M -- Old Dominion
217.3 M -- UTEP
275 M - FAU
425 M -- UAB
466.6 M -- Miss. State
593.9 M -- Ole Miss
646.6 M -- Auburn
788 M -- LSU
789.7 M -- Houston
948.6 M -- Arkansas
957.5 M -- Tulsa
1.1 B -- Tennessee
1.171 B -- Tulane
1.2 B -- Texas Tech
1.2 B -- Alabama
1.5 B -- TCU
1.5 B -- SMU
3.4 B -- Texas
3.8 B -- Vanderbilt
5.3 B -- Rice
9.754 B -- aTm
I wouldn't call it hate. Both would rather be in the P5, preferably the Big 12. Neither want to be associated with the schools in the American, for that matter. Again, it's not really hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
In fact, we would not be in CUSA today if it weren't for Tulane. We had their support in 2004 and again in 2012. Our problems with Memphis stem from one person - their former AD RC Johnson.
:laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
Not a real "realignment", but this is a fun article. Tech ends up being drafted in Round 2 to the "Southern Coast Conference". This article pretends that only 60 G5 schools can be FBS, and a draft will decide who and where these schools end up.
http://www.underdogdynasty.com/2017/...go-state-uconn
Notice the comment re Tulane/Tech.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amos Moses
Can't really rebutt since they DID beat us last time we played.Quote:
Originally Posted by Houston Techsan
I'm very angry that was the only game I could attend in 2013 :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Dawg
If only there was a way to raise the endowment without the state finding out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgpix
For what it's worth, FCS teams were also eligible. 2 drafted so far with one more "day" of drafting to go. Could see more G5 teams left out in favor of the top FCS schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amos Moses
I updated and added more schools in the region.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgpix
Isn't our schools endowment (or lack therof) something that FJ Taylor and Dan Reneau should have been focused on for the last 4 to 5 decades??Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgpix
. . . and every prez before them.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
In a word...Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
...foshizzle.
I am not so sure. Back in the days of high spending by the state, endowment for state colleges and universities was not considered a high priority. In Texas only THE UNIVERSITY received funds from the state oil lands making its endowment the second largest in the country behind only Harvard. All of the other state colleges and universities were pretty much like Louisiana - dependent on the legislature. Now they pool it all together to form the universal higher education fund. I'm not sure if UT is included or still has its own oil money.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Our state oil lands landed us new residences for all the presidents of the state's universities.
Here was the final conference for Louisiana Tech in UnderdogDynasty.com's exercise.Quote:
Originally Posted by techdawg28
http://www.underdogdynasty.com/2017/...aa-g5-football
Tanner (Southern Coast Conference)
East - Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, Memphis, Southern Miss, UCF, UAB
West - Air Force, Houston, Louisiana Tech, Rice, Sam Houston State, Tulsa
Pretty good conference. Tulane was not picked by any conference. UL-Monroe was picked in the 10th round by another conference for...reasons?
The Mid-South Conference is a mess.
The draft thing was interesting but its disappointing they didn't take the opportunity to kick out powerhouses like Wake Forest.
Happening Hoops @happeninghoops 2h2 hours ago
MVC appears to be visiting Murray State on Tuesday and Valparaiso on Wednesday.
MVC also visiting Nebraska-Omaha. http://www.cbssports.com/college-bas...-during-visit/
Mark Adams @EnthusiAdams 8m8 minutes agoMore
Source confirms @valpoathletics likely to replace Wichita St as 10th member of The Valley. Valpo probable only addition. No vote/invite yet.
Wow -- it seems not so long ago when Centenary was in the same conference as Valpo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
How things have changed ...
Let's add a team from Mexico!!!
Looking to Cross the Border From Mexico, Into the N.C.A.A
I seem to remember in the (football) WAC's final death throes, there was some semi-serious talk about Univ of British Columbia (Vancouver) adding football and joining.Quote:
Originally Posted by sportdawg
The Zorros!Quote:
Originally Posted by sportdawg
Simon Fraser plays in the NCAA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
http://media.giphy.com/media/n8SkNR77udWlG/giphy.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by inudesu
I can remember years ago NSU used to play the University of Mexico in Mexico City.Quote:
Originally Posted by sportdawg
I can remember when Louisiana Tech played a 3-game series exhibitions (since they're not in our media guides) in Mexico City in early December, 1973.
We played an AAU type team, Mexico Tech and a university from San Luis Potosi. Team stayed 1 day at the Mexico City Olympic Village before Scotty moved us to a downtown Mexico City hotel the other 2 days. Interesting to say the least, expecially the locals encouraging ballplayers to drink tequila shots. . . . ;-)
According to Mark Adams, it appears Valparaiso, Murray State, Nebraska-Omaha, and Wisconsin-Milwaukee are the four schools in the running for the Missouri Valley. Decision could come on Monday.
When I read "comprehensive" I really didn't think of Missouri Valley, Big Sky (or whatever). If it's really going to be "comprehensive" what about the Div III conferences?
Rumor is Louisiana College is dropping football. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Houston Techsan
Again? They dropped football in the 70s and only started again in about 2000, I believe - it might have been earlier. I only know anything about this because my brother went there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
Report: IUPUI will leave Summit to replace Valpo in Horizon.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/spo...ion/103102686/
Presbyterian (HC Tommy Spangler) is moving their football program from the Big South to the non-scholarship Pioneer League.
http://www.pioneer-football.org/news...eague-in-2021/
I don't understand, but HBCU Hampton is leaving historically black MEAC for the Big South.
http://www.hamptonpirates.com/news/2...onference.aspx
Savannah State is dropping out of DI MEAC to DII.
http://www.ssuathletics.com/news/201...ification.aspx
USC-Upstate leaving A-Sun for Big South.
http://bigsouthsports.com/news/2017/...ll-member.aspx
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CSUB, UC San Diego, UC San Diego Alumni and 2 others
WHO?
In our last year in the WAC, Tech finished in last place in baseball, and CSU Bakersfield won the WAC baseball championship. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Houston Techsan
Wow when this thread went active again I expected to hear that USLLL was in the Big 12! :laugh:
And Tech won the WAC Championship in football!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
Actually we didn't- we won 2011Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Utah State won 2012 - we finished 3rd
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West...rence_football
I wish we were in the MWC.....I miss Fresno, Boise, Nevada, Hawaii......
Quote:
Originally Posted by faninmonroe
Me too. I was just thinking that this morning.
Not Necessarily WAC - how about this lineup (2001 WAC)Quote:
Originally Posted by faninmonroe
Overall Conference SRS Polls
School W L Pct W L Pct Pts Pts SRS SOS AP Pre AP High AP Post Notes
Louisiana Tech 7 5 .583 7 1 .875 33.8 32.5 -0.95 -3.36
Fresno State 11 3 .786 6 2 .750 40.0 24.6 9.90 -2.02 8
Boise State 8 4 .667 6 2 .750 34.3 23.3 1.61 -4.97
Hawaii 9 3 .750 5 3 .625 40.3 26.5 4.47 -6.53
Rice 8 4 .667 5 3 .625 27.8 27.9 -4.35 -6.18
SMU 4 7 .364 4 4 .500 20.5 26.8 -8.92 -3.47
Nevada 3 8 .273 3 5 .375 26.0 39.2 -9.92 -1.65
San Jose State 3 9 .250 3 5 .375 24.6 38.4 -10.66 -0.41
UTEP 2 9 .182 1 7 .125 21.4 37.6 -17.85 -5.31
Tulsa 1 10 .091 0 8 .000 17.4 35.2 -18.94 -3.75
Add USM, UTSA (I enjoy beating them), UNT, Utah State
East: Tech, USM, Tulsa, Rice, SMU, UNT, UTSA
West: Fresno, Boise, Hawaii, Nevada, SJSU, UTEP, Utah State
If you want to remove Hawaii, then you could add BYU
Yeah, I would definitely take that.
That line up in 2001 when we joined was much more geographically friendly before Tulsa, Rice and SMU left. The caliber of football was much higher than CUSA now. Even Rice had a couple of good years in the WAC.
I much prefer beating Fresno than UTSA. Nevada, too, especially with Kaper "dick". But I guess we can tell ULL than we beat the University of Texas twice.
Reports: Breaking: "In perfect world" Gonzaga within two-week window to be able to join Mountain West in 2018-19.
In basketball only or all sports?Quote:
Originally Posted by sportdawg
All sports. There's no such thing as "basketball-only" membership. Basketball is a core sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Houston Techsan
Gonzaga is being used as a pawn to try to lure in BYU. Hopefully Gonzaga wises up and stays put in the WCC where they belong. Just ask Oral Roberts how they liked being in a football-first conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by sportdawg
Did they keep this designation after going to FBS and FCS?
Division I-AAA:
(85 member institutions) - includes the Big West Conference
* 85 institutions that do not sponsor football at the intercollegiate level.
* Athletics programs are focused on the sport of basketball.
* 41 of the 85 Division I-AAA institutions are small private colleges or universities.
This would be a good get for the MWC with or without BYU. Not sure if it's a good move for Gonzaga or not. If it's just them, BYU is fine. If the MWC decides it wants to go to a hybrid model, though, WCC schools would probably be their main target and that could leave BYU in the Big West.
"Good get" as in the Zags would make MWC MBB stronger. But at what expense? Adding schools with institutionally different missions than their conference mates has proven to not work. Look at the Big East. Look at the original C-USA. Oral Roberts to the Southland. Etc. It either tears the conference apart in the end, or the oddball looks for a way out.Quote:
Originally Posted by parialex
NoQuote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
If those schools are referenced as a group, they are just called Division I non-football schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
But the Zags don't play football. They last fielded a football team in 1941. So, how can it be an "all sports" member of the MWC? I guess the same way UNT is an "all-sports" member of CUSA, despite not playing baseball, huh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
"Full" member would be more appropriate terminology, meaning they compete in the conference in all sports that they both sponsor.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Gonzaga declines MWC invite to stay in WCC: http://www.arklatexhomepage.com/spor...ity/1092549732
Good decision.
Big question finally answered as to where Liberty could find a home for their non-football sports... Down to the A-Sun they go.
Brett McMurphyVerified account @Brett_McMurphy tweet
Sources: Liberty moving all sports except football from Big South to Atlantic Sun starting in 2018-19 school year. Football will remain FBS independent. School has 2 p.m. news conference to announce move. 1st reported by @ASeaofRed
UNT plays football at Liberty on Sept 22nd this year. That's the week before UNT hosts LA Tech.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
Dixie State from DII to the WAC: https://www.wacsports.com/general/20...20190111mx6862
Viva la WAC.
UConn going to Big East
https://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...placement/amp/
Although this article did not mention Tech or USM others have. But you can almost be guaranteed that if Tech joins then Tulane, Tulsa, Memphis and SMU will leave. Those schools do not want to be in a conference with Tech. They would take UTEP over Tech (and they're not even being mentioned). When those teams leave then the rest of CUSA would come in making the move a simple lateral one. Of course there's always the UL twins. We'll be hearing from the Ooh La La gang soon.
Uconn football will end up being Independent now.
A couple things about this: one, Tech will not be a candidate. Our budget, TV market, student population and lack of certain facilities will preclude us being considered. Secondly, those schools would NOT leave the AAC if Tech is picked, although that is a moot point. Where would they go? I will add that the fact that we slipped out of of Tier 1 does not help .Quote:
Originally Posted by Houston Techsan
We will join the AAC as soon as all the good schools leave. And we'll be in the Sun Belt 3.0. Always sideways, never up.
My point exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Dawg
You guys act like you aren’t okay with mediocrity. Blasphemy!
As has been pointed out, where would they go?Quote:
Originally Posted by Houston Techsan
Also, you're correct about Memphis but wrong about Tulane, Tulsa, and SMU. We would not have gotten into CUSA in 2012 without Tulane's support. SMU and Tulsa helped us get into the WAC in 2000. And SMU's president openly supported Tech in our bid to get into CUSA in 2004 as did Tulane's president.
We didn't get into CUSA in 2004 in favor of UTEP because Memphis' president insisted on it to a point where he swung enough votes to make it happen. And that group of presidents almost immediately regretted the decision. So much so that in 2012 had there been one opening in CUSA it would have gone to Tech. Two openings and it would have been Tech and FIU.
In the end, do you really think they left CUSA or the WAC because of some secret hatred for Tech? Or was it because the 3 had opportunities to advance their own programs?
One thing worth pointing out. The AAC plans to stand pat for basketball and all other sports with the exception of football. They may not be able to stand pat in football.
If they look for a new member for football only this will likely come down to whether a school in which they have an interest can find a home for their other sports in another conference.
Army and BYU seem like the first choices. Then … UMass?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Historian
While I agree that our chances aren't high. I don't think that SMU, Houston, Tulane and Tulsa look down on us as previously mentioned. Tech has come a long way since the 90s. Our brand, quality of sports, and educational reputation are much much stronger than before. This is going to boil down to who fits in the East. If Navy shifts to the Eastern division then it will be a beauty contest for Tech, USM, WKU, Rice and UNT. I would categorize the list like this.
1. ODU- Eastern School with high budget that fits in with others.
2. USM- Old friend of the group, but their budget and academics are struggling right now. They are in a bad place.
3. Rice- Another old friend, but would struggle athletically and Houston may not want the company.
4. UNt- Has hit its strides. Growing big time in a growing market but looked down on worse than us by SMU, Tulane, Tulsa and Houston.
5. Tech- Small public school with small budgets. Could compete athletically but would have to make a huge commitment to many things to get in.
6. MTSU and WKU- Small budget public schools that won't help AAC
7. UTSA- They have peaked then floundered.
8. FAU-FIU- NO NO NO. CUSA should never have invited them.
9. UTEP- will be in the MWC within 5 years.
10 Marshall- They look at Marshall like its a JC.
I find that we are in a small group of schools that won't have a school or two actively lobbying against us. USM, Tech and ODU are the most promising.
Army would be the logical first choice. But would Army give up what seems to be a winning formula right now in exchange for the cash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
I think Army would be a no-brainer, but keep in mind the darkest days of Army sports were in the CUSA of old. They would be smart to stay put. They don't need the AAC and frankly neither does Navy.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Historian
You don't have UAB on your list. They might just be the favorite at this point if CUSA goes for an all-sports member. If it's football only it really comes down to who would they want that can move their other sports to another conference. If Army and BYU were to say no, it's really wide open.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSDAWG
I did forget UAB and they may have a good chance. I am not really high on them and that may be my bias showing. UAB is getting a new stadium and they have had recent success since the re-founding of their football program. Being a Tech and Alabama alumni, I just hate the bastards.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Historian
IMO, they are farther from average than we are. They have a large market even though, like many other AAC teams, they have no share in their own market.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSDAWG
I can't argue with that logic. No one in Alabama cares about UAB except for their medical school. That being said, they have a storied history with most of the folks in the AAC,. They are on the upswing in a large market and would fit in either the East or West. We only make sense to the southwest schools and our growth since joining CUSA has not been optimal. We compete well athletically, but a poor economy and lackluster attendance have hindered any major growth. USM has the same flaws we do but they have a long history with those folks. I guess I am still holding out hope that we are prepared for a more geographically acceptable alternative in the mid-to-near future.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
We've wasted years of potential growth in fan base and grass roots giving by 1) putting too much focus on a non-revenue sport and 2) making bad AD hires, but particularly in KEEPING a couple of those ADs too long. The current AD is leading us backwards, but many of our fans refuse to acknowledge the evidence of shrinking crowds and LTAC giving.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSDAWG
Can't argue with that either. I was a season ticket holder for several years but haven't had them the last two seasons. Our current AD doesn't give a crap about me or any of the fans like me. That's a symptom of mismanagement. How many out there are in the same boat? AAC is going to breeze right on through our resume without much thought. The assumption that we are a small public school in a poor state with very little market is enough to disqualify us from contention. Because we haven't been exceptional is why we are doomed for failure. Louisiana Tech has been a classic choke artist since my days on campus. We only win when it doesn't matter. Bowl games? Check. 20 win Basketball Seasons? Check. 30+ win baseball seasons? Check. Winning Conference Titles or making NCAA sanctioned postseasons? FAIL,FAIL,FAIL....Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
WAC loses anotherUMKC accepts invite to return to Summit League
WAC is losing UMKC in 20-21 and gaining Dixie State (not from the South! They are in Utah). UTRGV, Chicago State & Seattle U are all on their own island.Quote:
UMKC will give the Summit League 10 schools, joining Denver, Purdue University Fort Wayne, North Dakota, North Dakota State, Nebraska Omaha, Oral Roberts; South Dakota, South Dakota State and Western Illinois.
https://www.wacsports.com/about/wac-...max_width=1000
Wow. . . ChiState is farther east than LATech was.
I think most of our true fans see it. The admin and the socialites don’t see it because the railing in the DAC is in the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
They just need to add Stetson and Vermont and change their name to the Lower 48Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgpix
If/when Rice goes to the AAC, the CUSA would not be acceptable for us anymore. There would be seven football independents - Army, BYU, Liberty, NMSU, ND, UConn, and UMass. Could we not convince these nine teams to form a conference?
LATech
USM
UNT
UTSA
UConn (football only - Big East)
UMass (prolly football only - A10)
Army
Liberty
One other team
For football:
Play one or two SEC road games every year.
Set up two 2-3's with AAC schools and host one SWAC school two out of every five years
Set up a 1-1 with WKU/MTSU/UAB ocassionally
(Win, win, win, and increase the endowment to become the next member of the AAC.)
Bring in two more schools for basketball only (if possible). Maybe the others would accept UALR for example. For OOC basketball, schedule home and homes with SFA, USL, WKU, Missouri State, UAB, MTSU, etc. Play a couple of tournaments to start the year and at Christmas.
If the new conference doesn't work for basketball, join the Southland or whatever other local conference will have us.
According to some of the Rice folks, their admin feel that a geographical shift is eventually going to happen. We will end up with new conferences all together once the AAC ascends or falters. Personally, I would just assume take the CUSA West, add NMSU, Arky State, Texas State and start over. The AAC has already stated that they will stick to 11 which is the smart move if they think none of us can add value. A one bid football league is the best we can hope for right now. Why not make it more enjoyable.
New South Conference
1. Tech
2. Southern Miss
3. UAB
4. Arkansas State
5. Rice
6. North Texas
7. Texas State
8. UTSA
9. Texas State
10. New Mexico State
I bet the AAC will pick a new member that isnt scared of losing to nlu.
You are right. Alabama wasn't available so they decided to stay put at 11.Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
I've seen articles they want Army or BYU. I don't know if it will happen.
11 is a good number for basketball, except for someone not having a travel partner (10 game round robin if you go to 20 conference games). They already have Navy as football only, so Army would be a good fit. BYU would be good for football only (the WCC is better for their Olympic sports). But I think BYU can earn more from ESPN being Independent.
Quote:
Report: Army, BYU ‘top candidates’ to replace UConn in AAC
At some point this week, it’s expected UConn will confirm that its non-football sports will be leaving the American Athletic ...
https://www.bing.com/th?id=AR_e4bde9...14&rs=2&qlt=85
NBC Sports3h
UConn will probably go Independent and face UMass, Liberty & NMSU annually.
They can probably get H/H with BC (already have one scheduled). MAC teams will probably be willing to do H/H.
They'll probably have 2-3 $$$ Games like we used to have.
Here's what their schedules would probably look like
FCS
P5 $$$
P5 $$$
P5 H/H or 2-for-1
MAC H/H
MAC H/H
C-USA H/H
C-USA H/H
Army
UMass
NMSU
Liberty (they are full until 2023)
Not bad and they will still get preferential coverage from ESPN. We have KNOE, they have ESPN.Quote:
Originally Posted by sportdawg