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Op/Ed: The Independence Bowl is in trouble
The Independence Bowl is in a lot of trouble. There’s really no way to sugarcoat it.
What was once a great tradition in northwest Louisiana featuring good games with decent teams has declined into a bowl game with mediocre teams most years.
In 2016, the Independence Bowl Committee got what it wanted all year long: ACC vs SEC. And few people wanted to see it.
For full article: http://www.latechreport.com/2017/01/...is-in-trouble/
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Unless it makes some very radical changes, the Independence Bowl, or the "Toilet Bowl" as it is better known as in Baton Rouge, is doomed. The good people of Shreveport wouldn't support a matchup between very good, non-regional G5 teams any better than they support SEC and ACC bottom dwellers. The only way to have any kind of decent crowd at any bowl game of this level is for it to have regional participants. For the I-Bowl, that's usually going to mean that it will need one of either La Tech, Ark State, USM, or Houston in its bowl. An I-Bowl featuring Tech against a decent opponent would always guarantee an actual attendance of around 40K. With USM, Houston, or Ark St as a participant, the I-Bowl could count on an actual attendance of at least 30K.
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ESPN needs to purchase the bowl. They can find the right sponsor and get a "better" matchup.
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I don't understand why the committee is not held more responsible. I still don't know how that committee is selected. They have been horrible.
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Good job. Great research work. Thanks.
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The ESPN staff of the HODBowl and AFBowl in DFW have their stuff together.
Both of those bowls had local focus, lots for teams/fans to do.
Well-attended, compared to most other bowls.
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Dawgpix
The ESPN staff of the HODBowl and AFBowl in DFW have their stuff together.
Both of those bowls had local focus, lots for teams/fans to do.
Well-attended, compared to most other bowls.
I came away HIGHLY impressed with the LMAFB -
Even with the parking issues on campus, it was a really good experience if we hadn't won
I would almost deem both them NICHE bowls - one that caters to the military ties in the area while the other ties itself to the first responders in the area - plus it doesn't hurt that there are more folks in that area than the entire state of Louisiana...
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Originally Posted by
champion110
I don't understand why the committee is not held more responsible. I still don't know how that committee is selected. They have been horrible.
You are correct. Former LSU golfer Missy Setters is the Executive Director of the I-Bowl committee, and has been since 2006. She has been a member of the I-Bowl staff since 1996, serving previously as the "Media Relations Manager". Setters is married to a former LSU football player (Ross Setters) and is very vocal about her support for LSU. Furthermore, she's down right hostile towards LA Tech. We know this because after LA Tech was twice snubbed by the Indy Bowl in 1997 (9 wins) and 1999 (8 wins), Missy Setters used to visit this very board (BB&B) and spar with us about why LA Tech wasn't worthy of an Indy Bowl invite.
Yep. Right here on BB&B folks.
MISSY SETTERS is the real reason the Indy Bowl screwed over a 9-3 LA Tech back in 2012. Setters was NOT happy that the school she hates most --LA Tech-- appeared to be the best option for her Indy Bowl fan base that year. So she gave Tech's leadership a very short fuse to respond to an invite. She issued the invite to Tech on a Friday night/Saturday morning, and demanded an immediate answer from LA Tech. When LA Tech officials responded by asking for 24 hours (in order to let that Saturday's games be played out to gauge the Liberty Bowls interest in Tech), Missy Setters --as Executive Director of the Indpendence Bowl-- pulled LA Tech's Indy Bowl offer off the table.
For most LA Tech fans that were also long time supporters of the Indy Bowl, this was the final straw. Missy Setters and the Indy Bowl committee had crossed a line and jilted a very worthy LA Tech team when it was obvious that the Bowl's alternatives were NOT better. It smacked of being spiteful. This failed move by Setters and company only worked to further erode the Indy Bowl's local support amongst LA Tech fans living in the Shreveport area. And as it turns out, LA Tech fans made up a significant portion of the Indy Bowl's supporters, and the Bowl's poor decisions had done irreparable damage to its own fan base.
Missy Setters is the problem. She always has been the problem, and it's amazing to me that the good people of Shreveport just can't see it. My message to the Shreveport community and the I-Bowl is: It's okay to change LEADERSHIP every decade or so folks. :laugh: Missy Setters has been around too long and needs to go. The Independence Bowl is desperate for fresh, new leadership.
Unfortunately for the people and businesses of Shreveport-Bossier, Missy Setters is slowly, steadily, killing their Independence Bowl.
http://campingworldindependencebowl.com/about-us/staff/
http://www.espn.com/college-football...ory?id=2306222
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Originally Posted by
HogDawg
You are correct. Former LSU golfer Missy Setters is the Executive Director of the I-Bowl committee, and has been since 2006. She has been a member of the I-Bowl staff since 1996, serving previously as the "Media Relations Manager". Setters is married to a former LSU football player (Ross Setters) and is very vocal about her support for LSU. Furthermore, she's down right hostile towards LA Tech. We know this because after LA Tech was twice snubbed by the Indy Bowl in 1997 (9 wins) and 1999 (8 wins), Missy Setters used to visit this very board (BB&B) and spar with us about why LA Tech wasn't worthy of an Indy Bowl invite.
Yep. Right here on BB&B folks.
Do you remember what her name was on here? I would love to read through her comments here. I'd also like to know why she hates Tech so much.
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TechAlum05
Do you remember what her name was on here? I would love to read through her comments here. I'd also like to know why she hates Tech so much.
http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/showt...=missy+setters
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HogDawg
FINALLY! I'm very glad to hear this. It's about time LA Tech fans and alumni showed the I-Bowl folks how important we are to their season ticket and sponsorship base.
The bottom line is, LA Tech --just like any other school with 9 wins-- wanted to wait until Sunday to make it's bowl decision. But the I-Bowl wouldn't wait, despite the fact that neither of their alternative teams (ULM or Ohio) were highly sought after. It would have literally cost the I-bowl NOTHING to wait, and the potential upside from waiting was HUGE for the I-Bowl.
Make no mistake, the I-Bowl was the big loser in this one. Yes, I feel bad for our 31 seniors....but LA Tech will come out of this mostly unscathed. (Especially since we no longer have a coaching staff anyway.) The I-Bowl is in a free fall right now. Corporate sponsors are fleeing, local Tech fans --which make up a large block of the I-Bowls season ticket base-- are angry, and the local media is bitter with this outcome. Yep, the I-Bowl is the big loser here.
HD
The above post is from 12/29/2012. And here we are, 4-years later, truer words have never been spoken. :) LA Tech has recovered nicely. The I-Bowl....not so much. :rolleyes:
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Actually HD, I think this is the post that hit the homerun...
Email from Missy Setters
Originally Posted by AustinDawg http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/image...post-right.png
I think the I-Bowl is in a real existential situation here. Due to an overabundence of hubris from their management, they have continuially alienated one of their largest potential core constituencies and every year that passes is less prestigious than the year before.
It is clear that Tech football and the I-Bowl are on divergent paths and it does us no good to focus too much attention on their struggles. Tech football will be here 10 years from now and in probably much better shape than it is even now. Can the same be said for the I-Bowl? Or will its existence be contained entirely within a glass display case on Clyde Fant next to Bradshaw's jersey and a Shreveport Steamer helmet?
I know that they feel like they needed to "teach us a lesson" and "put us in our place", but I really think the Bowl's only hope is a top-to-bottom change in the decision makers.
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And still LaTech fans support the crap bowl. Since the lsu/notre dame BS, my support is nil unless my Dawgs are playing!
#iwilleverloyalbeunlikesome
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Is there a reason that our relationship soured with the IBowl? I never understood the 2012 snub.
What reason do they have not to like Tech? Seems odd since we were accused of being in cahoots with them in 2009.
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revf
Is there a reason that our relationship soured with the IBowl? I never understood the 2012 snub.
What reason do they have not to like Tech? Seems odd since we were accused of being in cahoots with them in 2009.
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...illy-wonka.jpg
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revf
Is there a reason that our relationship soured with the IBowl? I never understood the 2012 snub.
What reason do they have not to like Tech? Seems odd since we were accused of being in cahoots with them in 2009.
Read the thread in pawdawgs post.
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Cool Hand Clyde
And still LaTech fans support the crap bowl. Since the lsu/notre dame BS, my support is nil unless my Dawgs are playing!
#iwilleverloyalbeunlikesome
Exactly!!
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Originally Posted by
Cool Hand Clyde
And still LaTech fans support the crap bowl. Since the lsu/notre dame BS, my support is nil unless my Dawgs are playing!
#iwilleverloyalbeunlikesome
For me it was the 2012 situation that broke my support, but I'm in the exact same place. If the Dawgs aren't playing there, I don't care.
I don't think Tech was blameless in what happened, but during the process it became clear to me there was some kind of attitude toward Tech within the committee and with Ms Setters. I've had enough of this apparent second class citizen perception of Tech. All I can do is vote with my pocketbook and that's what I do.
Maybe they'll look at the info that's come out in the last couple of days on how Tech is performing from the perspective of success on the field, TV viewership in the CUSA championship & bowl games and travel attendance and reevaluate. CUSA & Tech could be really good for the I Bowl. If ANY CUSA team was playing at the I Bowl, I'd be interested in going because I've gotten to where I follow the entire conference. But frankly, I don't give a damn about an SEC/ACC matchup and I WON'T GO!
I'm Steve Koskie and I approve this message.
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Keep your friends close, your enemies closer...
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Dwayne From Minden
Keep your friends close, your enemies closer...
CHC has no enemies. He is a flower child.
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As I posted somewhere else, the I-Bowl would be smart to enter into a contract with CUSA/AAC/Belch to fill one side of the matchup, and the Big 12/SEC on the other side. Theory being they can try to create a regional matchup where fans can drive to Shreveport...at least as much as possible. May not be possible to always fill both sides from a regional school. They also need to get their pay-out up. $1.1 million doesn't cut it today.
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dawg80
They also need to get their pay-out up. $1.1 million doesn't cut it today.
Especially when they screw the non contract schools. If I remember correctly they don;t pay the G5 type schools the regular payout. That's reserved for the bottom feeders of the SEC/ACC.
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tenacious_dog
For me it was the 2012 situation that broke my support, but I'm in the exact same place. If the Dawgs aren't playing there, I don't care.
I don't think Tech was blameless in what happened, but during the process it became clear to me there was some kind of attitude toward Tech within the committee and with Ms Setters. I've had enough of this apparent second class citizen perception of Tech. All I can do is vote with my pocketbook and that's what I do.
Maybe they'll look at the info that's come out in the last couple of days on how Tech is performing from the perspective of success on the field, TV viewership in the CUSA championship & bowl games and travel attendance and reevaluate. CUSA & Tech could be really good for the I Bowl. If ANY CUSA team was playing at the I Bowl, I'd be interested in going because I've gotten to where I follow the entire conference. But frankly, I don't give a damn about an SEC/ACC matchup and I WON'T GO!
I'm Steve Koskie and I approve this message.
Along these lines, I think ALL CUSA fans should do their best to attend the HOD bowl. They have been very very good to us and it would look awesome to see 1000's of Tech blues in the crowd.
I really tried to go this year but family stuff got in the way. It's soooo easy to attend if you're in DFW. Just hop the DART train and buy a cheap ticket.
I'm making a statement now. From here on out, I'm attending the HOD bowl as long as they are tied to Tech's current conference.
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"The Independence Bowl lost $1.5 million over 2014 and 2015".
Has the Indy Bowl actually lost $1.5 million in cash? If so who is funding the shortfall?
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Originally Posted by
HogDawg
You are correct. Former LSU golfer Missy Setters is the Executive Director of the I-Bowl committee, and has been since 2006. She has been a member of the I-Bowl staff since 1996, serving previously as the "Media Relations Manager". Setters is married to a former LSU football player (Ross Setters) and is very vocal about her support for LSU. Furthermore, she's down right hostile towards LA Tech. We know this because after LA Tech was twice snubbed by the Indy Bowl in 1997 (9 wins) and 1999 (8 wins), Missy Setters used to visit this very board (BB&B) and spar with us about why LA Tech
wasn't worthy of an Indy Bowl invite.
Yep. Right here on BB&B folks.
MISSY SETTERS is the
real reason the Indy Bowl screwed over a 9-3 LA Tech back in 2012. Setters was NOT happy that the school she hates most --LA Tech-- appeared to be the best option
for her Indy Bowl fan base that year. So she gave Tech's leadership a very short fuse to respond to an invite. She issued the invite to Tech on a Friday night/Saturday morning, and demanded an immediate answer from LA Tech. When LA Tech officials responded by asking for 24 hours (in order to let that Saturday's games be played out to gauge the Liberty Bowls interest in Tech), Missy Setters --as Executive Director of the Indpendence Bowl-- pulled LA Tech's Indy Bowl offer off the table.
For most LA Tech fans that were also long time supporters of the Indy Bowl, this was the final straw. Missy Setters and the Indy Bowl committee had crossed a line and jilted a very worthy LA Tech team when it was obvious that the Bowl's alternatives were NOT better. It smacked of being spiteful. This failed move by Setters and company only worked to further erode the Indy Bowl's local support amongst LA Tech fans living in the Shreveport area. And as it turns out, LA Tech fans made up a significant portion of the Indy Bowl's supporters, and the Bowl's poor decisions had done irreparable damage to its own fan base.
Missy Setters
is the problem. She always has been the problem, and it's amazing to me that the good people of Shreveport just can't see it. My message to the Shreveport community and the I-Bowl is:
It's okay to change LEADERSHIP every decade or so folks. :laugh: Missy Setters has been around too long and needs to go. The Independence Bowl is desperate for fresh, new leadership.
Unfortunately for the people and businesses of Shreveport-Bossier, Missy Setters is slowly, steadily, killing their Independence Bowl.
http://campingworldindependencebowl.com/about-us/staff/
http://www.espn.com/college-football...ory?id=2306222
Winner, winner . . . .
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olddog75
Ate into the few reserves they had
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Dwayne From Minden
Ate into the few reserves they had
Thanks. Assuming that 2016 is not good, their pot must be getting empty. I guess the funds collected from the sales taxes will keep them limping along.
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Houston Techsan
Especially when they screw the non contract schools. If I remember correctly they don;t pay the G5 type schools the regular payout. That's reserved for the bottom feeders of the SEC/ACC.
That is correct. Their payouts to G5 schools are lower than to P5 schools. I don't remember by how much, though. Should be located in audits filed with Louisiana Legislature Auditor online.
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Let the Toilet (Indy) bowl die!!!
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Originally Posted by
HogDawg
You are correct. Former LSU golfer Missy Setters is the Executive Director of the I-Bowl committee, and has been since 2006. She has been a member of the I-Bowl staff since 1996, serving previously as the "Media Relations Manager". Setters is married to a former LSU football player (Ross Setters) and is very vocal about her support for LSU. Furthermore, she's down right hostile towards LA Tech. We know this because after LA Tech was twice snubbed by the Indy Bowl in 1997 (9 wins) and 1999 (8 wins), Missy Setters used to visit this very board (BB&B) and spar with us about why LA Tech
wasn't worthy of an Indy Bowl invite.
Yep. Right here on BB&B folks.
MISSY SETTERS is the
real reason the Indy Bowl screwed over a 9-3 LA Tech back in 2012. Setters was NOT happy that the school she hates most --LA Tech-- appeared to be the best option
for her Indy Bowl fan base that year. So she gave Tech's leadership a very short fuse to respond to an invite. She issued the invite to Tech on a Friday night/Saturday morning, and demanded an immediate answer from LA Tech. When LA Tech officials responded by asking for 24 hours (in order to let that Saturday's games be played out to gauge the Liberty Bowls interest in Tech), Missy Setters --as Executive Director of the Indpendence Bowl-- pulled LA Tech's Indy Bowl offer off the table.
For most LA Tech fans that were also long time supporters of the Indy Bowl, this was the final straw. Missy Setters and the Indy Bowl committee had crossed a line and jilted a very worthy LA Tech team when it was obvious that the Bowl's alternatives were NOT better. It smacked of being spiteful. This failed move by Setters and company only worked to further erode the Indy Bowl's local support amongst LA Tech fans living in the Shreveport area. And as it turns out, LA Tech fans made up a significant portion of the Indy Bowl's supporters, and the Bowl's poor decisions had done irreparable damage to its own fan base.
Missy Setters
is the problem. She always has been the problem, and it's amazing to me that the good people of Shreveport just can't see it. My message to the Shreveport community and the I-Bowl is:
It's okay to change LEADERSHIP every decade or so folks. :laugh: Missy Setters has been around too long and needs to go. The Independence Bowl is desperate for fresh, new leadership.
Unfortunately for the people and businesses of Shreveport-Bossier, Missy Setters is slowly, steadily, killing their Independence Bowl.
http://campingworldindependencebowl.com/about-us/staff/
http://www.espn.com/college-football...ory?id=2306222
AMEN! Just wondering what it will take to change the leadership. Seems we have been saying the same thing for years now. I have not supported the Indy Bowl since we last played in it and we saved their butts that year. They then turned their backs again. They didn't learn - we have moved forward and left them in the dust.
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Well, I think it's a shame that the idiots on the Idiot Bowl committee have ruined what should be an asset for Shreveport-Bossier and the region as a whole. I could support the bowl again if it actually served the needs of North Louisiana and provided another option to go bowling for Tech.
We have just completed the regional bowl tour: Dallas, New Orleans, Fort Worth and it was awesome! As others have posted Tech Football is growing, getting better, garnering NATIONAL attention!! and the Idiot Bowl continues to sink further into irrelevancy. Still, it would be better for both sides if the I-Bowl was on the circuit for Tech. Before it dies a slow, miserable death hopefully the I-Bowl will get a totally new committee with people with IQs in triple digits and smaller egos.
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The Independence Bowl Foundation oversees the leadership and management of the I-Bowl. Committees with chairs are made up of their membership. Membership is open and applications are available on their website. Want a new direction for the I-Bowl? Get enough new members with a different agenda and take the bowl over.
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ptaylor
The Independence Bowl Foundation oversees the leadership and management of the I-Bowl. Committees with chairs are made up of their membership. Membership is open and applications are available on their website. Want a new direction for the I-Bowl? Get enough new members with a different agenda and take the bowl over.
Kind of like we did with the lsus takeover?
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sportdawg
Very pointed comments by ML, which points to changes or Camping World is gone. How much $$$ does Camping World put in for this "marketing opportunity"?
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WOW!!! No defending comments made to ML's people by some member (or members) that the I-Bowl didn't need Camping World & the bowl would survive with or without CW....even if they had to pay for it out of their own pocket. What arrogance!
Makes it even more believable that they used the same attitude with us in 2012.
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tenacious_dog
WOW!!! No defending comments made to ML's people by some member (or members) that the I-Bowl didn't need Camping World & the bowl would survive with or without CW....even if they had to pay for it out of their own pocket. What arrogance!
Makes it even more believable that they used the same attitude with us in 2012.
Talk about hard headed and cutting off your nose to spite your face...
And oh, they are reading these threads
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Dwayne From Minden
Talk about hard headed and cutting off your nose to spite your face...
And oh, they are reading these threads
I nominate DFM for Executive Director of the I-bowl but only if he can secure Paul Mitchell Products as the new title sponsor.
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Cool Hand Clyde
I nominate DFM for Executive Director of the I-bowl but only if he can secure Paul Mitchell Products as the new title sponsor.
I nominate DFM for Executive Director of the I-bowl but only if he can get the Grateful Dead as the new title sponsor. DFM could stand in for Jerry. He just needs to grow a beard, cut off a finger and learn to play the guitar!
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Dwayne From Minden
Talk about hard headed and cutting off your nose to spite your face...
And oh, they are reading these threads
I'm sure they are. Personally, my posts have been with them in mind.
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Cool Hand Clyde
I nominate DFM for Executive Director of the I-bowl but only if he can secure Paul Mitchell Products as the new title sponsor.
Vidal Sasson...
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Dwayne From Minden
Vidal Sasson...
"If you don't look good, we don't look good."
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tenacious_dog
WOW!!! No defending comments made to ML's people by some member (or members) that the I-Bowl didn't need Camping World & the bowl would survive with or without CW....even if they had to pay for it out of their own pocket. What arrogance!
Makes it even more believable that they used the same attitude with us in 2012.
Terribly unprofessional statement by this "member."
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Seems like Lemonis is merely attempting to defend his exodus to me. That's sort of a weird thing to say without naming the foundation member or the staff members.
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Not weird at all. Sounds like a businessman who will not be bullied or belittled and deals with facts. Ms Settlers didn't deny it was said. In fact, she's very complimentary of Camping World's efforts to help. I think she sees the value CW brings to the table beyond money and would hate to see them leave. Give her credit for that.
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I think she will discredit the comments after he terminates the relationship. I don't have a dog in the hunt. Looks like an exit strategy to me.
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tenacious_dog
Not weird at all. Sounds like a businessman who will not be bullied or belittled and deals with facts. Ms Settlers didn't deny it was said. In fact, she's very complimentary of Camping World's efforts to help. I think she sees the value CW brings to the table beyond money and would hate to see them leave. Give her credit for that.
I think she sees losing her sponsor on their early out provision and will speak politically correct to prevent that from happening.
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ptaylor
The Independence Bowl Foundation oversees the leadership and management of the I-Bowl. Committees with chairs are made up of their membership. Membership is open and applications are available on their website. Want a new direction for the I-Bowl? Get enough new members with a different agenda and take the bowl over.
This is precisely the problem with the game. None of the other 39 bowl games operates this way. Rather than having a strong, experienced Executive Director with deep college football ties who makes decisions for the game, a large group - most of whom have their own agendas - runs the game behind the scenes. Secret votes. Backstabbing. Craziness, just craziness.
I want this game to succeed. I really do. Hell, I froze in that press box as a volunteer for many games in the 80s and 90s. But I've now been involved with three other bowl games. To see how they operate compared to the Independence Bowl would shock some of you.
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To me this statement says a lot:
"Every year it's something new that you have to focus on to make the game better for people locally," said executive director Missy Setters.
If you can't fix it after one year, then you shouldn't be the executive director! She is being reactive to situations that arise after the fact instead of being proactive to situation that might occur! Not a very good trait to have as an executive director.
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Somebody invite her back to BBB. It might save her job. Or don't.
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ChuckK3
Terribly unprofessional statement by this "member."
Yeah....I guess that "I-Bowl member" forgot that he wasn't talking about LA Tech this time. And he tried to use the same attitude. :laugh:
Camping World owner Marcus Lemonis is all about "turning around failing businesses". I'm a pretty big fan of his. But now I want to see if he's got the guts to DEMAND a leadership change at the I-bowl, or if he just folds his tent and goes home.
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HogDawg
Yeah....I guess that "I-Bowl member" forgot that he wasn't talking about LA Tech this time. And he tried to use the same attitude. :laugh:
Camping World owner Marcus Lemonis is all about "turning around failing businesses". I'm a pretty big fan of his. But now I want to see if he's got the guts to DEMAND a leadership change at the I-bowl, or if he just folds his tent and goes home.
On his show "The Profit" he often focuses on management and will sometimes request someone step down, or higher management terminate someone. Once he got into a knock-down/drag-out argument with the majority owner of a business and said to him, no YELLED at him: you are the problem!
ML could yell that at Miss Missy Prissy too!
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I happen to be in Shreveport on the day of the game this year at a couple of the casino's. There was no more people than usual in them and the workers in the casinos didn't even know the game was being played
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HogDawg
folds his tent
a nice turn of phrase!
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HogDawg
Yeah....I guess that "I-Bowl member" forgot that he wasn't talking about LA Tech this time. And he tried to use the same attitude. :laugh:
Camping World owner Marcus Lemonis is all about "turning around failing businesses". I'm a pretty big fan of his. But now I want to see if he's got the guts to DEMAND a leadership change at the I-bowl, or if he just folds his tent and goes home.
Doesn't shock me that they would have that attitude towards us, but their title sponsor. That's crazy even for them. Their attitude towards us and the 2012 debacle didn't help them, but the problems run much deeper.
10 years ago it would have made sense to form a partnership between the I bowl and Tech. Now we have less incentive to work for the partnership. I still think it would be good to have the I-bowl in the rotation about every 4 years. I just don't know if we want to help them limp along with the current comitee.
There have been lots of good ways to improve things presented on this board. Hope they figure things out.
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detltu
Doesn't shock me that they would have that attitude towards us, but their title sponsor. That's crazy even for them. Their attitude towards us and the 2012 debacle didn't help them, but the problems run much deeper.
10 years ago it would have made sense to form a partnership between the I bowl and Tech. Now we have less incentive to work for the partnership. I still think it would be good to have the I-bowl in the rotation about every 4 years. I just don't know if we want to help them limp along with the current comitee.
There have been lots of good ways to improve things presented on this board. Hope they figure things out.
Who cares if they ever figure things out? Personally, I could not care less what happens to the I-Bowl. It's a crappy bowl, in a crappy stadium, in a crappy part of Shreveport, that's run by a crappy committee that suffers from delusions of grandeur. Give me the HOD, New Orleans, or Armed Forces Bowls over the I-Bowl any day.
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The Independence Bowl = Sears & Roebuck
They are dead but just don't know it yet.
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olddog75
The Independence Bowl = Sears & Roebuck
They are dead but just don't know it yet.
Could be an episode of "Walking Dead"!:laugh:
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olddog75
The Independence Bowl = Sears & Roebuck
They are dead but just don't know it yet.
Excellent analogy. Nobody is shopping there anymore (either place). The pricing isn't attractive and the quality has gone downhill.
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Mad Italian
Could be an episode of "Walking Dead"!:laugh:
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DogsWin
Excellent analogy. Nobody is shopping there anymore (either place). The pricing isn't attractive and the quality has gone downhill.
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olddog75
The Independence Bowl = Sears & Roebuck
They are dead but just don't know it yet.
....Sears just sold away it's iconic Craftsman tools brand. Just a matter of time for both of them to go bottoms up.
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The sears in mall st Vincent in Shreveport's second floor has such bad leakage thru the ceiling they've got tarps and an irrigation system to filter the water down into buckets in the middle of aisles. Last time I was there, a contunuous drip was splashing off the floor and sprinkling decorative pillows.. it had been going on long enough for the pillow to turn colors
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olddog75
The Independence Bowl = Sears & Roebuck
They are dead but just don't know it yet.
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Mad Italian
Could be an episode of "Walking Dead"!:laugh:
My suggestion for the headline when this happens:
IBOWL MIA: (Missying In Action)
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detltu
Doesn't shock me that they would have that attitude towards us, but their title sponsor. That's crazy even for them. Their attitude towards us and the 2012 debacle didn't help them, but the problems run much deeper.
10 years ago it would have made sense to form a partnership between the I bowl and Tech. Now we have less incentive to work for the partnership. I still think it would be good to have the I-bowl in the rotation about every 4 years. I just don't know if we want to help them limp along with the current committee.
There have been lots of good ways to improve things presented on this board. Hope they figure things out.
I think that ship has sailed. LA Tech is well entrenched in CUSA now, and with 5 or 6 bowls to fill every year, Tech truly no longer "needs" the I-Bowl like it once did. IMO, LA Tech's brand has outgrown anything that the I-Bowl could offer, unless they some day want to offer us a match-up against LSU, Arkansas, Texas, TX A&M, or Ole Miss. Short of that, I just don't have any interest in seeing LA Tech go to the I-Bowl.
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HogDawg
I think that ship has sailed. LA Tech is well entrenched in CUSA now, and with 5 or 6 bowls to fill every year, Tech truly no longer "needs" the I-Bowl like it once did. IMO, LA Tech's brand has outgrown anything that the I-Bowl could offer, unless they some day want to offer us a match-up against LSU, Arkansas, Texas, TX A&M, or Ole Miss. Short of that, I just don't have any interest in seeing LA Tech go to the I-Bowl.
Totally agree!
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Times has online article in Sunday (8th) addition concerning attendance.
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/longf...cern/96279580/
The Newsday article: http://www.newsday.com/sports/colleg...-17-1.12784796 details the attendance of each of the bowl games this season. Looks like the bowls that featured regional teams in relation to the bowl location didn't have as much trouble putting people in the seats.
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They are trying to blame the playing date of Dec 26th for their attendance woes, but in 2014 we played on Dec 26th in Dallas and drew 31,300. Maybe that date does impact attendance. Probably does. But we see that Tech still outdraws the Idiot Bowl including on Dec 26th.
Next! on the excuses.... we're waiting....
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In the past when it was seriously hurting for money the I-Bowl committee has had the arrogant luxury of "throwing a bone" to Louisiana Tech to pull in a 40K+ attendance game to help them out. The next day it was right back to licking the P5's boots for any attention they can get.
The P5 doesn't need them, Louisiana Tech no longer needs them, and fans & sponsors are unimpressed with the 'barely bowl eligible' leftovers that they are getting. The I-Bowl is officially screwed and they have nothing to "blame" but their own arrogant attitude. They will never get rid of the "old regime" either.
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And, they will go down the drain, blaming everyone else. They certainly can't be the reason. I bet some of them are even blaming this board for their poor attendance and claiming we have a bad attitude.
Screw them. I will attend the HOD bowl every year until I die. They care far more about Tech than our own Louisianian bowl does. Very sad for them. Can't see the diamond right in front of their face.
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DogsWin
In the past when it was seriously hurting for money the I-Bowl committee has had the arrogant luxury of "throwing a bone" to Louisiana Tech to pull in a 40K+ attendance game to help them out. The next day it was right back to licking the P5's boots for any attention they can get.
The P5 doesn't need them, Louisiana Tech no longer needs them, and fans & sponsors are unimpressed with the 'barely bowl eligible' leftovers that they are getting. The I-Bowl is officially screwed and they have nothing to "blame" but their own arrogant attitude. They will never get rid of the "old regime" either.
Well said Cliff. LA Tech has never been big time enough for Shreveport even when it made a lot more sense economically for the bowl and the city to get behind Tech. Let LSU bail them out.
I think it's funny, Shreveport getting what they deserve. I hope their crappy bowl goes under.
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In that article about bowl attendance any journalist worth their salt would have questioned the local bowl team on their recent experience with selling bowl tickets and attendance.
Shreveport media...so lazy.
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It's really a shame that the I-Bowl committee refused to cooperate with Tech in the past. The Ft Worth bowl was created to make sure that local university TCU would have a bowl game if not selected elsewhere, same for the Humanitarian Bowl with Boise State. There are other examples of bowl committees who understand that local cooperation leads to MUTUAL GROWTH & PROSPERITY!
Shreveport's I-Bowl is THE ONLY bowl who has been adamant to make sure that their local school Louisiana Tech was their LAST OPTION. Ken Antee UL-M, Missy Setters LSU,... Antee is still feeling his oates as a C-USA football referee.
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"I hear a lot of different things from a lot of different people,'' Setters says. "It's easier to sit on your comfy couch and watch the game on a big screen TV.
"I grew up in a time when you went to events so you could make memories with your family. It's a little different for me.That's why we have to tap into different age groups and different demographics and ask them, 'What will get you to the game?'''
This is a rhetorical question, but shouldn't Missy Setters have an idea of how to get butts in the seats if she's been the Executive Director of a bowl game since 2005?
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dawg80
They are trying to blame the playing date of Dec 26th for their attendance woes, but in 2014 we played on Dec 26th in Dallas and drew 31,300. Maybe that date does impact attendance. Probably does. But we see that Tech still outdraws the Idiot Bowl including on Dec 26th.
Next! on the excuses.... we're waiting....
Excuses mentioned in the article:
1. "Bowl attendance has dropped by around 5 percent this season."
Me: "Announced" attendance at the Independence Bowl fell by 7.33% from 31,289 to 28,995.
2. Missy Setters: "It's easier to sit on your comfy couch and watch the game on a big screen TV."
Me: ...especially when it's a mediocre matchup of Vanderbilt vs N.C. State
3. Shreveport Times: "One thing that apparently won't get people to bowl games is the Dec. 26 playing date."
Me: Last year, six bowl games were held on December 26th. The Sun Bowl (41,180), Pinstripe Bowl (37,218), and Foster Farms Bowl (33,527) all had higher attendance numbers than the Independence Bowl.
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TechAlum05
Excuses mentioned in the article:
1. "Bowl attendance has dropped by around 5 percent this season."
2. Missy Setters: "It's easier to sit on your comfy couch and watch the game on a big screen TV."
3. Shreveport Times: "One thing that apparently won't get people to bowl games is the Dec. 26 playing date."
Speaking to #2: was the Independence Bowl the only televised bowl game? To #3: December 26 was even a holiday for many people this year. They must think their readers are idiots.
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710 KEEL AM in Shreveport: The Independence Bowl is in trouble. Here's how to fix it.
http://710keel.com/the-independence-...how-to-fix-it/
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This is literally the stupidest idea I have ever heard.
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Yeah because the swamp dragons worked out so well.
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I would love to know how many Tech fans were not "on their couches" and drove through Shreveport to the Armed Forces Bowl and did not go to the I-Blame-Others Bowl.
The idiot reporters in S'port are either too stupid or blind or just willfully ignorant of the problem.
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DJDAWG
I would love to know how many Tech fans were not "on their couches" and drove through Shreveport to the Armed Forces Bowl and did not go to the I-Blame-Others Bowl.
The idiot reporters in S'port are either too stupid or blind or just willfully ignorant of the problem.
I drove from Vidalia, LA to Fort Worth, TX the day of the game (about seven hour drive) to go see Tech in the Armed Forces Bowl on the 23rd. This is after working in St. Joseph Tuesday through the morning of the game.
The Independence Bowl is less than ten miles from where I live in Bossier...didn't go to the I-Bowl.
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There were not 40K people at the 2012 game. The turnstiles recorded 19K+ as someone else posted. Regardless, attendance sucked for that Ohio vs. ____ game.
And, the Mardi Gras Bowl? Really? Yeah, because Shreveport, indeed north Louisiana, is known as the party capital of the world. :rolleyes4: Mobile has a rightful claim to Mardi Gras, and of course New Orleans, as the city that perfected it! Not S'port. Gimme a break.
So, even if the name is changed....which would be a big mistake....you still need a corporate sponsor and you still need attendance! Neither of those will happen for the new "Mardi Gras Bowl" just because. Gawd! S'port is stupid. They deserve themselves and their epic failures.
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TechAlum05
I drove from Vidalia, LA to Fort Worth, TX the day of the game (about seven hour drive) to go see Tech in the Armed Forces Bowl on the 23rd. This is after working in St. Joseph Tuesday through the morning of the game.
The Independence Bowl is less than ten miles from where I live in Bossier...didn't go to the I-Bowl.
Love it! Sweet! THIS is the type of story that the idiot reporters in S'port should be looking for.
Anyone that attended ANY bowl game OTHER than the I-Bowl and DID NOT go to the I-Bowl. Those idiots are just assuming that none of their local population went to ANY bowl game.
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TechAlum05
I drove from Vidalia, LA to Fort Worth, TX the day of the game (about seven hour drive) to go see Tech in the Armed Forces Bowl on the 23rd. This is after working in St. Joseph Tuesday through the morning of the game.
The Independence Bowl is less than ten miles from where I live in Bossier...didn't go to the I-Bowl.
And you saw a much better show in Ft Worth than if you had stayed home and gone to the Indy.
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The I-Bowl needs to think outside the box but their solution is complicated and would require massive work.
Here is their solution:
Selection of home team:
1) Choice of 11th (or whatever) qualified SEC team if the team is in this group:
LSU, Arkansas, Missouri, Texas A&M, Ole Miss, Miss State, Alabama.
2) Choice of 11th (or whatever) qualified Big12 team if the team is in this group:
Texas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Okla State, TCU.
3) Choice of 4th (or whatever) qualified CUSA team if the team is in this group:
North Texas, La Tech, USM.
4) Choice of 1st (or whatever) qualified Sun Belt team the if team is in this group:
USL, Ark State, ULM.
5) Choice of 11th (or whatever) qualified SEC team.
6) Choice of 11th (or whatever) qualified Big12 team.
7) open to any qualified FBS team.
Selection of visiting team:
1) Choice of 11th (or whatever) qualified SEC team if the home team is not an SEC team.
2) Choice of 11th (or whatever) qualified Big12 team if the home team is not a Big12 team.
3) Choice of 11th (or whatever) qualified ACC team.
3) Choice of 4th (or whatever) qualified CUSA team if the home team is not a CUSA team and if the team is in this group:
North Texas, La Tech, USM.
4) Choice of 1st (or whatever) qualified Sun Belt team if the home team is not a Sun Belt team and if the team is in this group:
USL, Ark State, ULM.
5) open to any qualified FBS team.
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DJDAWG
The I-Bowl needs to think outside the box but their solution is complicated and would require massive work.
Here is their solution:
Selection of home team:
1) Choice of 11th (or whatever) qualified SEC team if the team is in this group:
LSU, Arkansas, Missouri, Texas A&M, Ole Miss, Miss State, Alabama.
2) Choice of 11th (or whatever) qualified Big12 team if the team is in this group:
Texas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Okla State, TCU.
3) Choice of 4th (or whatever) qualified CUSA team if the team is in this group:
North Texas, La Tech, USM.
4) Choice of 1st (or whatever) qualified Sun Belt team the if team is in this group:
USL, Ark State, ULM.
5) Choice of 11th (or whatever) qualified SEC team.
6) Choice of 11th (or whatever) qualified Big12 team.
7) open to any qualified FBS team.
Selection of visiting team:
1) Choice of 11th (or whatever) qualified SEC team if the home team is not an SEC team.
2) Choice of 11th (or whatever) qualified Big12 team if the home team is not a Big12 team.
3) Choice of 11th (or whatever) qualified ACC team.
3) Choice of 4th (or whatever) qualified CUSA team if the home team is not a CUSA team and if the team is in this group:
North Texas, La Tech, USM.
4) Choice of 1st (or whatever) qualified Sun Belt team if the home team is not a Sun Belt team and if the team is in this group:
USL, Ark State, ULM.
5) open to any qualified FBS team.
Nah, you don't recycle big turds, just flush'em and move on.
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glm47
Nah, you don't recycle big turds, just flush'em and move on.
You know, that's good advice...moving on.
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Just change the what the I stands for, Idiot!
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Maybe Notre Dame and LSU can both finish with 5-7 records and they can get them to play like they did in 1997 when they turned down a 9-2 La Tech team. Here's an idea that might work. Maybe Missy Setters could bare her fat butt on the 50 yard line and let the fans throw those little footballs at it. Whoever hits it gets a free beer. They could paint the cheeks yellow with a purple dot in the center so the LSU fans would come to the game even if LSU wasn't playing. That purple and yellow would also attract those famous sports writers from the times, Ferrell and Lang.
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DONW
Maybe Notre Dame and LSU can both finish with 5-7 records and they can get them to play like they did in 1997 when they turned down a 9-2 La Tech team. Here's an idea that might work. Maybe Missy Setters could bare her fat butt on the 50 yard line and let the fans throw those little footballs at it. Whoever hits it gets a free beer. They could paint the cheeks yellow with a purple dot in the center so the LSU fans would come to the game even if LSU wasn't playing. That purple and yellow would also attract those famous sports writers from the times, Ferrell and Lang.
I nominate this for POST OF THE YEAR!!!!
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Well........ This may be the most ignorant article of the last 10 years. They just confirmed what we already knew. They don't have a clue.......
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The Historian
This is precisely the problem with the game. None of the other 39 bowl games operates this way. Rather than having a strong, experienced Executive Director with deep college football ties who makes decisions for the game, a large group - most of whom have their own agendas - runs the game behind the scenes. Secret votes. Backstabbing. Craziness, just craziness.
I want this game to succeed. I really do. Hell, I froze in that press box as a volunteer for many games in the 80s and 90s. But I've now been involved with three other bowl games. To see how they operate compared to the Independence Bowl would shock some of you.
There's even a CUSA football referee as a "Life" member of their board, plus the 2012 bowl chairman.
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The New Orleans Bowl has proven that schools of local interest draw the biggest crowds. LaLaff has been to the NO Bowl 5 times and those are the 5 highest attended games. The Independence Bowl needs to wake up and smell the coffee.
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California Cajun
The New Orleans Bowl has proven that schools of local interest draw the biggest crowds. LaLaff has been to the NO Bowl 5 times and those are the 5 highest attended games. The Independence Bowl needs to wake up and smell the coffee.
I think they my need ammonia.
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Roy Lang III @RoyLangIII 18m18 minutes agoMore
Camping World out as I-Bowl sponsor. CEO Marcus Lemonis says bowl turned down $550,000 offer. story coming.
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Shack's Bail Bonds offerered $560. She thougth he meant $560,000.
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I saw Camping World advertising at several bowl games besides the I-Bowl. It was pretty obvious that Lemonis wants to be associated with college bowl games, just not the I-Bowl.
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Roy Lang III @RoyLangIII 18m18 minutes agoMore
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Real shocker.
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DogsWin
I saw Camping World advertising at several bowl games besides the I-Bowl. It was pretty obvious that Lemonis wants to be associated with college bowl games, just not the I-Bowl.
Just like Advocare, do you see a pattern?
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DogsWin
I saw Camping World advertising at several bowl games besides the I-Bowl. It was pretty obvious that Lemonis wants to be associated with college bowl games, just not the I-Bowl.
Thats because they own/sponsor the Citrus Bowl stadium in Florida that hosts the Citrus, Cure, and Russel Athletics bowls.
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http://www.shreveporttimes.com/story...nsor/96844372/
"We’ll figure out another way to do sponsorship (in the Shreveport area). I’m sure there is a way for us to give back.”
Paging Dr. Guice and Tommy McClelland.