Today is a victory for decency. Character matters. Now the hard work begins to bring the country back together as the current occupier refuses to accept the verdict of Americans.
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Today is a victory for decency. Character matters. Now the hard work begins to bring the country back together as the current occupier refuses to accept the verdict of Americans.
Absolutely right!! We will no longer see Americans attacked by the POTUS with elementary nicknames(sleepy Joe, nervous Nancy, lying Ted etc).Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
We won't see our POTUS tacking the word of Putin over our own Intell. We can start to heal and return to some normalcy. Congrats, America won.
¡Si se puede!
Congrats on electing a man with dementia that likes to grope little girls. Democrats and decency? By normalcy you mean we won’t spend 4 years pitching a fit because our candidate lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kodawg
It’s hard to do with Gullible Goober posting, but you’ve just won idiotic post of the week. So far.
Boohoo
Anne Hidalgo, the mayor of Paris, may have said it best: "Welcome back, America!"
And you claim to be independent????? What are you going to claim to be tomorrow? You and arrogant people like you can not and will not bring people together. It’s time for arrogant pricks like you to STFU. Let us that work and pay taxes figure this mess out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I guess COVID will be over on January 19th? Nothing to see here. Jobs will be back (from China) and we will all sing kumbaya! I hope you and lightweight stick around next year, should be funny to see how you defend socialism.....
Yay the nightmare is over.
I wish, unfortunately, it’s just beginning.....Quote:
Originally Posted by beaux66
I am sure Putin and president xi can’t wait to deal with Biden, they are going to run all over sleepy joe....we just got so much weaker
Relax. The adults are about to be in charge again.Quote:
Originally Posted by b00mer1
Come on even you republicans have got to be sick of all of Trumps insanity. HE JUST AINT RIGHT
Exactly. No more pressure to defend the indefensible. That had to be really tiring.Quote:
Originally Posted by beaux66
You are Free. Let him go. You know you want to
Haha, you liberals are funny...now that AOC and Bernie are in charge, we shall see.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
what are you now? Independent still??? Haha
I'm pretty sure Biden's speech writer is cribbing from Sorkin's West Wing Bartlet statements/speeches.
News flash: Biden beat Bernie and the progressive wing in the primaries.Quote:
Originally Posted by b00mer1
I thought this part of Biden’s “A” typical political check all the BS boxes speech was very interesting and telling. The audio isn’t great but the point he made was asking that the Trump voters give the ‘other’ side a chance.... that we need to be nice to each other because we’re all Americans. That’s especially hilarious considering that in Trump’s years the Left never gave him a chance regardless of him being an American as well as them outright ignoring the vast number of things he accomplished to benefit America.
So here we go again as is so typical of the Left wanting a reset of sorts now that a different team has the ball. Let’s all play nice now, ok? Wink, wink while we work our globalist agenda, import worthless tax money consuming illegals and sell the country out from under the citizens again.
Oh and then there’s the pointless war we’ll be in somewhere within the next couple of years. We might even have an embassy staff somewhere that we need to sacrifice for some stupid ass cause or correction.
https://imgur.com/zChPwEE
I think he was telling the Left that Trumpers are Americans too.
What do you mean, ‘you think’? He’s your life long corrupt politician, you voted for him, you’ve been non stop endorsing him here. How could you not know what he means.
I was being polite. He said that very clearly. You should clean the earwax out of your ears if you missed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bone_afide_Dawg
You’re wrong! But it’s typical for someone on the Left to spin the truth. Here’s a better link... You listen carefully! He clearly starts off by addressing Trump voters asking that they give each other a chance which is NOT at any point what the Left gave Trump.
https://youtu.be/Kl8AYetLGok
@40 seconds inQuote:
Originally Posted by Bone_afide_Dawg
“To make progress, we have to stop treating our opponents as enemies. We are not enemies.”
After they just robbed a bank and shot a security guard, police cornered Bonnie & Clyde in a house, Clyde was heard shouting, "We have to stop treating our opponents as enemies. We are not enemies."
Yes, ‘stop’ which obviously means it’s been ongoing on the side of the media making Trump out to be America’s enemy. They spent 4 years doing that while half the country disagrees. Biden is a wolf in sheep’s clothing cut from the cloth of Obama. All he wants is for the opposing half of the country to give him a little space so he can see to it that we’re all screwed for good. America’s 21 century second falling after Obama’s first is about to begin if this vote heist stands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
If you despise Socialism you should love Biden for defeating it. It is clear that Trump was too impotent to do it. We would have Bernie as President Elect right now if it weren’t for Biden.
At best Biden is nothing more than Bernie-lite. Harris is further to the left than Sanders, given their voting records, and she is poised to seize the WH from Biden. I HOPE...because I generally love our country and fear for the free world...that Biden does stand up to the lefties who will try to drag him into socialist extremes. Frankly, I don't think he is strong enough or coherent enough to resist. The key now is for the GOP to hold the Senate and serve as a roadblock to socialism. And the GOP narrowing the gap in the House and maybe...Gawd! maybe....some moderate Dems will stand up too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Hope springs eternal! And I always try to find those slivers of hope and optimism, even as I am a pragmatic realist.
Her next statement was "now bend back over, we weren't finished"Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
So now conservatives, Hannity, Tucker, Lenin, capitalism, Fox News, Trump, God and the Bible aren’t the socialist Dems enemies? 😂. It’s magic!Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
The ones that loved the rioting, looting, burning? The ones that allowed sanctuary cities and all the rapes and murder? The ones that love killing unborn babies? The ones that covet the wealth and life of others?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Very well said!Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Bottom line is this election will cost me money, will cost my daughter’s family even more money, will cost my son money, will end up decreasing the quality of healthcare for well over half the population, and for those who participated in this I just hope all in their house suffer as much as my family will.
A lot of misinformed idiots voted for Biden based what they were being lied to about regarding potential changes in coverage that were never going to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by frogdog
Nothing affordable about Obamacare.
Your family sells MAGA paraphernalia?Quote:
Originally Posted by frogdog
President-elect (but, not quite yet) Harris advocates decriminalizing the sex industry, to include prostitutes, erotic dancers who would "go too far" if they could, and I guess the whole porn industry...as long as all involved are adults, which she (they) want to push down to 16. Our resident libertarians should embrace this notion.
I do find it comical when abortion-activists scream "a woman can choose what they want to do with their bodies." Unless it's something in the sex industry...but okay, President Harris will correct that hypocrisy.
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Originally Posted by dawg80
She should know.. She didn't earn the nickname "Heels up Harris" for no reason whatsoever..
The media doesn’t rule on who won the Presidency. Biden isn’t the President.
The people rule on who is president and they have spoken. Biden is your president elect.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
No they haven’t and no he isn’t yet under the laws of the land. I know you dislike our laws and constitution but come on my man!Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Top news stories many Biden voters ignore! Please link.
https://www.foxnews.com/
Pelosi refuses to denounce socialism as far-left pressures party, she angles for new term as speaker
Bernie Sanders and AOC intend to push Biden far to the left -- here's how
AOC says Biden picking former White House chief of staff for cabinet would be ‘divisive’
Biden campaign manager says he's 'going to make good' on 'progressive' agenda
'Squad' member asks Twitter fans for their 'dream cabinet' for Biden -- here are the top picks
Are whistle blowers still a big deal to the left?
Sure. And fraud should be investigated. But there isn’t evidence that the fraud was sufficiently broad to impact enough votes to change the outcome (and that is squarely where we find ourselves), then there is no reason for Trump not to go ahead with starting the transition.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
He is just trying to create as much destruction as he can on the way out. People that did something wrong should be prosecuted, but there is no evidence that any fraud impacted the results.
It's funny.. today's WSJ editorial.. Democrats are running around asking "Why are Republicans saying that this election and Biden are illegitimate ?" "We need to come together as a country". Given the behavior of the democrats and progressives for the last 4 years.. they think they know where Republicans learned this.. :laugh:
There is evidence. You people keep saying that, but that won't make it go away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
What evidence?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Whistle blowers have always been solid up to now. Are they still? There are plenty of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Post dated ballots
Ballots with ONLY votes for Biden/Harris and blank (no votes) for other candidates
Dead people voting, but only for Biden/Harris
non-citizens and under age voters for Biden/Harris
None of that is true (except for maybe ballots with only votes for Biden/Harris, but some folks don’t vote in races where they don’t know the candidates). Where is your evidence?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...l-prosecution/
Interesting....
Tons of physical evidence, but also hundreds of whistle blowers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Do not know if this is a real video or not. If this is a real video, this guy should be fired and arrested.
https://rumble.com/vb01xp-2020-elect...mp-ballot.html
Don't believe your eyes...believe Goosey!Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
For a group that claims to be intellectually superior than dumb ole Trump supporters, why would you video yourself committing a crime and then post it online?Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
If it is real, I am sure he will be. Which also makes me question whether it is real.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
I don't think this guy is the sharpest crayon in the box.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
https://media.thedonald.win/post/Z9iTbA7s.jpeg
So everyone is saying we need to "come together" as a nation.. yet they continue to do crap like this and doxx attorneys?
Who is “everyone” and “they”? I think you are talking about different people.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
Btw, that information is not private. As soon as you file papers with a court, people know who you are.
Huge computer glitch in multiple states.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Biden wasted little time giddily announcing he'd open our southern border to illegals, drug cartels, human traffickers and all kinds of wonderful people the Left embraces. Oh yes! bring in all those China-virus positive criminal thugs! That has to be good for our country, ah, right?
And he says he will end the travel bans from Moooslim countries...after all, we haven't had any Mooslim terrorists attacks recently...not like France is suffering through...so, come on in! Behead someone on the streets of America and afterwards say Allah is great! Biden is great!
One of my best friends (a Tech alumnus) owns a ranch in south Texas about 45 minutes northeast of Laredo. Last Wednesday he witnessed 10 illegals walking across his property. He called border patrol and gave them gps coordinates. A follow up call revealed none were caught.
Well, I guess I missed the rapture. With all the dead coming out of their graves and voting... especially in Nevada, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin and
Penn.
doctor, engineer and international business, just concede you are a communist, ignorant or both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
The Trump administration is failing him, huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by rabiddawg
Even after he ran their passports for them, ICE still didn't do anything? Maybe the president is playing too much golf. Or filing (and then withdrawing) too many baseless lawsuits.
Sounds like they should do just fine and don’t need you making excuses for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by frogdog
Presidents don’t cost capitalists money. Elections happen, and capitalists know they will happen. If you put yourself in a position where an election outcome radically impacts your ability to make an income, well that sounds very liberal of you to blame the government for that one.
This is genius.Quote:
Originally Posted by inudesu
Of course we all know that it is President Trump, personally, that runs down illegals at the border.
Way to join the lemmings.
Way to knock down a straw man!Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Do you want elections to be fair and do you believe the American people should have faith in the election process? Yes, or no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
If the answer is YES (and I hope that it is), then you should welcome the recounts, investigations into ballot tampering, etc. There are sworn affidavits of people who witnessed poll watchers being turned away, ballots being tampered with, and other things that have a LOT more basis in fact than Russian interference 4 years ago, but since the election didn't go in the Democrats' favor then, they spent 3+ years trying to undo the results.
I will tell you that I, as a conservative Republican, couldn't give a rats arse if any of these razor thin margins flipped the election to DJT. If, after all the recounts, investigations and everyone says, our election was perfectly fine, and Trump lost, then I'm content to move on. I won't be banging a drum for the next 3 years trying to uncover something to remove Biden from office. If he won, fair and square, i'm prepared to accept it. All I want is to believe our elections are not becoming some 3rd world, banana republic nonsense.
I pray you feel the same way.
Yes, I want our elections to be fair and by all evidence they were. Any election fraud should be prosecuted, just like it always is.
But there is no evidence that any fraud had an impact on the election, so there is no reason to pretend like it did. It is entirely possible for Republicans to accept the result of the election while any cases of fraud are investigated and prosecuted.
This is a thread about the next president. I assumed the concern was that he'll continue to allow such atrocities. Why else bring it up on a thread in reference in Biden? Although, to be fair, if President Trump's administration can't stop this, can anyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
It is true that it has long been out of line to criticize a sitting President for playing too much golf. Regardless (or irregardless, which maddawg will be happy to hear is now a real word) of whether one opposes or supports a President, we should probably give them all the benefit of the doubt about their personal time, right? Just as we always have.
I do suspect that many (all?) of the election lawsuits are in bad faith, but as has been said over and over in the other threads here, he's free to file them and see where they go. The system allows it, even though everything that is permissible is not beneficial*.
*I tried to resist making a "One Corinthians" joke here.
"by all evidence they were." -- if that were the case, there wouldn't be hundreds of people who have put their names, families lives, professional lives, etc., on the line to say in writing "What I witnessed (or in some cases actually participated in) was wrong, and I want to speak up."Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
People don't just do that. They could go to jail for perjury if they sign an affidavit stating they witnessed or took part in these shenanigans and it be a lie.
Let the process work. For all of us as Americans...we HAVE to be able to believe in the integrity of our elections. it's the most precious freedom we have.
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Originally Posted by ChuckK3
There hasn’t been. That is the point that some Republicans are missing.
Okay. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
There certainly aren’t hundreds with merit. I read one yesterday where the “irregularity” was that someone in the military voted for Biden...seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckK3
If trust in the process is your goal (which is admirable), I would expect you to condemn the President’s rhetoric for the better part of the year. He’s set up most of his devotees to only accept a favorable outcome for him.
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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Do you not agree that the democrats have been saying that Trump has been an illegitimate POTUS since 2016 because the outcome of 2016 was not favorable to them?
I also think that there maybe haven't really been hundreds of very credible claims. But like you, I agree that whatever claims there are, certainly should be investigated (as they always are). I think they all need to be examined and classified and punished in the appropriate ways. Most of what I have read from experts has said that for sure out of almost 160 million you will almost certainly have illegal votes (on both sides). You can almost 100% be certain that somebody mailed in their dead relative's ballot (or filled out their living relative's ballot). Again, on both sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckK3
But even if it's "hundreds" like you said - it isn't going to change the overall results. It would have to be tens of thousands. And the evidence just doesn't point to conspiracies. So, sure - look for fraud, ask for audits, whatever. But some of this "the only way I could have lost is if they cheated" stuff is over the top. It's not good for us and hurts your ideal (which I very much agree with) of "we HAVE to be able to believe in the integrity of our elections." I do think that many can see through the bluster and take the public comments with a grain of salt (if not completely cynically). But, I worry that there are some who are true believers and may not be as willing to accept defeat no matter what.
If Trump (and/or his team) would say what you're saying - "hey, we need to trust the elections, there are some places to look into, once the process has completely run we'll concede if needed" that would be one thing. But that hasn't been the message.
I don't know about the man himself or his motivations (although I have my guesses) but there is almost certainly some bad faith politicking going on in an effort to help in Georgia or set up "we were robbed" narratives for future financial gain going on. I wish we were all just a little less given to hyperbole (on both sides).
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Originally Posted by FriscoDog
I think this was from November 9th of 2016.
I certainly remember lots of "so this is why we should eliminate the electoral college" talk (which probably wouldn't have come up if they had won). And plenty of "Trump has been an illegitimate POTUS" for a variety of other reasons (whether you buy those arguments or not). But I don't remember the votes being contested so much. I'm sure there was some of that. But I think the Obama administration handed over access fairly quickly, right? I know there was a 9/11 recommendation about how important that part is. I feel like there were even some quotes from within about how Trump wasn't prepared to take over, didn't want to put a team together, etc.Quote:
Thank you so very much for being here. I love you all, too. Last night I congratulated Donald Trump and offered to work with him on behalf of our country.
I really hope that as the state certifications come in, the concession comes and a transition starts happening. Maybe we need to consider holding the election date earlier (despite the problems with that) to ensure the process can play out in time for a good transition. I do worry about that some (and frankly would be less concerned if I thought the chance of a change was more credible - as it is, again - it just looks to be motivated by something(s) other than an expectation of changing the overall result).
Soooo we hear A.H. Shitma says "we take Georgia, we take the world". Put his mask on and says " we take Georgia, we take America". Now, dumorats start moving to Georgia so they can win those run offs. Really sound like a real fair election. So glad that I probably won't be around to see how far down the USA will fall if the dumorats take complete control. I would name you (plural) individually but I might miss one or two of you or accidentally miss name some one.
To you ultra loyal conservatives, I salute you.
just because you and other Socialist have decided that people like me will do just fine it is ok to take money out of our pockets and give to somebody else. I have worked hard for the last 40 years and have saved to have a retirement that i worked for so you and your friends keep your damn hands off.... Also since i am so close to retirement the you and your socialist friends will cost me around 20% of my retirement savings and probably raise my expenses 15% and believe me I run the number and my CFP runs them. So you and your leaves alone and start a commune somewhere else without my money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Hang on. I need to play some sad violin music as I reread your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by frogdog
If an election is going to cost you 20% of your retirement, you should fire your CFP. Have you not been tax lost harvesting?
Also, as a boomer your retirement and low tax rates have come at the expense of debt saddled onto future generations. You have stolen from prior and future generations, so I am not going to feel sorry for you having to pay a little bit more in taxes on your investments when you have been paying artificially low tax rates on your income to generate those investments in the first place.
Weii i can rest now, up to this point i just thought you are ignorant, but now i know you are a true believing socialist, and as such there is no changing you misguided opions for you it is like a religion. Believe me I have more than paid my fair share of taxes and put 2 fine children through school and saved money for retirement by settling less than many around me. Just wish you and the others like you would go to the many places in world that that are like you and let us continue to be "the shiningcity on the hill".Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Poor baby. Queue the violin music for poor little Guisslapp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Somewhere along the way Republicans got confused about what capitalism is. It isn’t about working hard. If so, people doing manual labor would make the most money.Quote:
Originally Posted by frogdog
Capitalism actually isn’t about work at all. Capitalism just sees labor as another resource, an operating cost.
Those that do well in capitalism are those that deploy resources to the highest value. These days there is a much higher return on capital than labor, and we tax it less to boot!
This isn't the first time he's made this argument. His household must have been very irresponsible with money when he grew up.Quote:
Originally Posted by frogdog
As for me, I did as you did and did with less, raised two kids, and retired debt free. I would guess he has not experienced that!
And you cannot even see the irony is your own statements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
The only connection to “irresponsibility with money” is the lawmakers that mortgaged your kids future for your tax breaks.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
That is the real irony here. The benefits you enjoy haven’t been paid for yet. You just passed your debt on to others.
Perhaps our government is a bit overextended. Like allowing illegals to have babies in our hospitals. Like passing stupid coronavirus relief bills, when what is really needed is to open the government. Like an endless welfare state and policing the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
You are free to send the government whatever you like, however. Or are you just mouth again?
Additionally, I thought you held yourself up as an expert on Capitalism! If you want capital to leave the country, tax it. Even you must have the common sense to understand that! Furthermore, the "rich" you lefties keep wanting to tax just keep figuring out ways to not pay them, but the rest of us always do.
Wonder if your senile savior will reinstate the state and local deductions for those rich people you and your ilk keep saying you want to tax (and lo and behold if Trump doesn't actually tax them). Yep, the rich will get richer. They will also get richer when the noose is off and they can start outsourcing all their labor to countries where they don't have this stupid minimum wage your heroes want to pass. Eventually the capital will all move elsewhere and we can just stop worrying about all this stuff.
Ooooorrr, I could do the more logical thing and not vote for someone that wants to do tax cuts with structural deficits.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
I don’t care where the capital goes. More important is who owns the capital. Geez, you guys know nothing about capitalism.
A concrete example...as a capitalist equity holder in Apple, I benefit when they build a plant in China and make their iPhones there at lower cost, which passes through to the bottom line, and also adds to the top line when their presence in China allows them to take market share there.
If you tell Apple not to offshore that work, our equity in Apple is worth less because they generate less free cash.
The same is true for all companies. By constraining capital, you lock in economic inefficiencies and limit growth. You want to limit capital appreciation? That is what anti-globalism does.
I like this discussion on "capitalism," I'll need to jump in on that. But first, back to Biden...
His re-opening our southern border will have devastating effects, in terms of cost, increasing crime, not to mention the suffering of the illegals themselves. But, Biden and his ilk don't care about any of that, they only want to practice their brand of unabridged globalism, and also benefit from what they see as an increasing voter base. You will notice how quiet it's been along the southern border for the past year or so. Illegal crossings are down 80%+ since Trump took office. Less drugs crossing the border, a tremendous reduction in human trafficking, which is just a euphemism for slavery, and a break of sorts on the already taxed infrastructure of the border states, in particular, and the nation as a whole.
We know that 6 months, a year, from now Goosey et al will be claiming that Biden inherited a mess along our southern border and all the problems (to come) are Trump's fault. But, just mark this point...note how quiet it is, and has been, along our southern border, thanks to a great POTUS, Donald Trump.
And, yes, of course, Biden is about to sell-out the US to global power centers, sacrificing our national sovereignty on the altar of globalism. Right down to Germany announcing they won't be sending their fair contribution to NATO next year, since bad orange man won't be around to make them. No worries, US taxpayers will make up the slack.
China is being REALLY quiet right now...and will be until January 21, 2021, then watch out!
So, I have a question for soon-to-be President Biden...what are you gonna do about the national debt? Hmmm? I demand to know! Let's see your plan! Don't make excuses, don't blame your predecessors, including yourself and obummer, which grew the debt more than any other administration in history, nope! Tell us what you will do going forward.
Biden’s tax plan would raise revenues.
Btw, Trump added 6.7 Trillion to the debt in 4 years while Obama added 8.6 Trillion in 8 years. Obama had him on the total, but Trump wins in debt amount per year.
And increased our trade deficit with China...and didn’t finish the wall...and Mexico didn’t pay for it. Steve Bannon got paid though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
The argument that anti-globalists make, and Trump taps into, is actually a Marxist once.
People are concerned about WAGES and how they are vulnerable to international competition.
But Capitalism has never been about protecting WAGES - that is the province of Marxism - Capitalism is about PROFITS.
That is why we see an ever growing divergence between the share of gains in productivity being increasingly taken by the shareholders while wages are mostly flat.
For those that aren’t set in their ways and remain flexible, the capitalist force of creative destruction unlocks new value (and usually higher paying jobs in new fields - see IT jobs these days), but the destruction is very real for those that have specific training in a job that can be done at lower cost elsewhere.
So which system is more Marxist -
(A) System A that restricts the flow of capital out of the country in effort to prop up wages in older industries, or
(B) System B that allows capital to flow more freely but imposes higher taxes on profits to pay for societal safety nets?
Also, which one maximizes growth and standards of living?
I have posted a bunch of times about the debt, stating it is a major concern. But, allowing...not just allowing, but expediting, more illegals to enter and start suckling on the tits of the country will only make it worse. And do not try to make the argument about what % that might add, blah, blah, blah...the point is we should not allow criminal activity period, and certainly not when it will only make a bad situation worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
And, please tell me how the US once again providing the lion's share to fund NATO, WHO, and all those other global organizations is gonna help reduce the deficit/debt.
And, please tell me how all those Bernie Sanders' crazy programs, like free college, is gonna help reduce the deficit/debt.
And, please tell me how companies moving facilities out of the country, taking $billions in taxes with them, is gonna help reduce the deficit/debt.
I am always open to learning all I can, and am curious how the Harris-Biden-Bernie-AOC plan(s) will address the deficit/debt.
Went back to check...actually the national debt increased right at $10 trillion under obummer/Biden. And it is currently $6.1 trillion under Trump. You must have gotten that 6.7 number from a Newsweek article I just read. And of course, it is growing by the minute...by the second, actually. So, based on projections, by the time Trump leaves office in mid-January, the debt will have grown by about another $2 trillion. So, Trump will have presided over about an $8 trillion+ increase in debt. A record for a 4-year period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
But, we are splitting hairs about the actual numbers. obummer inherited a national debt of about $11 trillion, grew it to $21 trillion, and now it is rocking $27 trillion+.
GWB inherited a debt of about $6 trillion from Clinton, and he inherited a debt of about $3.8 trillion from Bush I in 1992.
The national debt is a huge problem and getting progressively worse...dare say, exponentially worse!
1. NATO was created to counter the Soviet threat. In theory, a strong NATO deters Russian aggression and saves Americans lives and money.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
2. A strong WHO, in theory, helps fight emerging infections. When we successfully spot, contain and treat diseases where they arise, they are less likely to make it to our shores and created the carnage to lives and economy.
3. Companies will be incentivized to stay here (even if they move their production elsewhere) if we provide a stable, predictable rule of law, the dominant world currency, educated workforce for them to grow their profits.
Is your goal to protect jobs or protect profits? If it is the former, you are the Marxist.
Haha!
who is by far the biggest contributor to nato?
who is by far the biggest contributor to who?
why would companies be incentivized (is that even a word?) to stay here if they get it cheaper in sweat shops overseas????
I’ll let the adults talk now...Goosey, you are so full of crap, it’s funny
Not surprised that the discussion is over your head.Quote:
Originally Posted by b00mer1
1. Yep. And, there is no reason for the NATO members not to chip in the amounts they agreed to. Or, is there no consequence in blood and treasure for Germany and other European countries?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
2. "a strong WHO"? Hmmm...how about an honest and transparent one?
3. Something like 50 large companies relocated out of the country under obummer, taking with them their $billions in taxes. That trend reversed under Trump, many of those 50 returning and next to none, maybe NONE, leaving during Trump's tenure.
As for your last question, there has to be a balance between what is good for individual firms and is what is good for the country. OF COURSE!!! I support any private company doing what it thinks is best for itself. But I also favor a nation doing what is best for itself, and if those don't match up, then oh well, so sorry for the private companies who made their choices. For instance, let's say there is a widget company that wants to relocate all of its manufacturing to China to save on labor costs. That is their choice and their right. But if the US places HUGE tariffs on widgets to build up and protect domestic production and said China-based widget company cannot compete in the US market and it ends up hurting them...so sorry, so sad for them. Just as firms are free to make decisions that benefit them, so too are nations.
In some key industries...like steel and as we have seen recently, pharma, it behooves a country to have strong domestic industries. That is for national security reasons.
Just imagine how different history would be...how different the world would be today...if back in the 1930's - '40's the US did not have a strong steel industry. Wow! Just think if all of our steel industry had relocated to China, for the sake of their profits. OMG! The Japs would have over-run all of those sites and seized the steel for themselves. The US would NOT have been able to gear up, build, and support Britain...and the Soviet Union...in their fight against Hitler. He would have easily steamrolled both. And the US would not have been able to build our Pacific fleet like we did...going from 4 carriers in 1941 to 30 by 1945 and all those cruisers and destroyers, and battleships, and troop carriers, and support vessels we were able to build. Japan would have easily achieved all of their goals and no doubt would have expanded on them once they realized we were unable to respond.
Now... a nation can use a carrot or a stick to "encourage" domestic manufacturing. I prefer the carrot, incentives vs. the stick, tariffs. But, when, like Trump found himself in, there is a need for quick changes, a combination of both was needed. He did apply tax incentives and deregulation along with tariffs and other measures to help corporations see the benefit of building in the US.
As for "capitalism" you pretend to be so concerned about, I didn't see, don't see ANY infringement on that by Trump and his policies. ALL firms were, and still are, free to weigh the pros and cons and decide what is best for them and their shareholders. For instance, our widget company would weigh cost savings on labor against the added cost of paying the tariff. If they could still net more profit by remaining in China, that is what they would do. So? How is that any different than every other decision businesses have to make every day?
As did Trump's...all while giving tax breaks to the middle class and creating an environment here to make companies profitable and create more jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Everyone benefitted under Trump's tax plan and the government collected record taxes.
Doesn't surprise me that all this is way over your head, because for you this is all about personalities. Bet you love the Kardashians.
Nominally, but not in real (inflation adjusted dollars). They didn’t pay for themselves, reducing the amount of revenues that the government would have received otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Everyone benefited because individually they didn’t absorb the debt of the cuts - the county and future taxpayers did.
Conservatives used to care about balanced budgets.