U-La-La, the 1st Gay University

[maverick]

I already said that some of those courses are appropriate for LGBT content. However, you are ignoring my point. Many of those courses have absolutely no need for LGBT content. In addition, students don't need to take a college course "to learn how to work with people of all those subcultures" or "to learn about respecting differences blah blah blah..."

If I misunderstood your point, I apologize; it's never my intention to mislead about something someone said. Do you mean students shouldn't learn about culture at all or that they should learn it somewhere else?

On the point of forcing an "agenda" on students, do you see it as forcing an agenda in an academic area that devotes time and resources to cultural considerations as a general rule? How should they handle students who don't want to learn (about any subcultures)?

[Dawg06]

If I misunderstood your point, I apologize; it's never my intention to mislead about something someone said. Do you mean students shouldn't learn about culture at all or that they should learn it somewhere else?

On the point of forcing an "agenda" on students, do you see it as forcing an agenda in an academic area that devotes time and resources to cultural considerations as a general rule? How should they handle students who don't want to learn (about any subcultures)?

Students learn to respect all people regardless of their differences in grade school, in the home, in church, etc. (if it's not inherent). That's not the job of college professors. All students should know to treat everybody with respect by the time they get to college. Whether students show the respect is another matter, but it's not from a lack of knowing better.

[dawg80]

Of course not. Students can start whatever organization they want as long as they have the 20 signatures (or however many they need). We have a full spectrum of political and religious student organizations.

I agree with this. And, except for those sociology courses where inclusion of gay issues is appropriate, such student organizations should be the limit of the formalization of lezzy-gay issues.

However, using my same example, what do you think would be the reaction of libtards if a group of students formed a pro-Confederate club? Or worse! a pro-Nazi club! Of course, the good national socialist in the White House would support such a Nazi organization...

But, we all know there would be outrage, even if the pro-Confederate club followed all the same rules as other student organizations. Wouldn't matter. There would be the "we don't need any of that here" types. Then the university would violate its own rules and policies and order the pro-Confederate club disbanded. And, the university would pay retribution to all those "offended" by its formation, even those 99% of those people wouldn't have even known about it (to be offended) until after the media made an issue of it.

One can NOT study American history w/o studying the Confederacy. Doesn't matter if you support(ed) or not. No one can fully understand our history w/o studying that era. Likewise, one can not fully understand all social issues w/o addressing the issues of homosexuality and all its ramifications. So, as I stated, it is an appropriate inclusion in some courses. As studying the Confederacy is an appropriate inclusion in some history courses.

The difference is, the creation of a minor in gay studies is considered okay, as is the creation of a gay club with "student fees". But, neither a minor nor club would be tolerated for the Confederacy.

<maybe my example of a pro-Confederate minor/club is not the best analogy, think of your own example>

For the record, just so my position is clear, I have no problem with any student club/organization that support themselves (dues) or that receives funding from the SGA, and that uses some university facility, such as a meeting room on campus. As long as the same rules apply to all groups.

I do have a problem with a WHOLE LOT of issues re: college curriculums, that go waaaaay beyond the topic here.

[RhythmDawg]

Many students take programs of study such as nursing, counseling, social work, psychology, pre-med, and other human services related fields. These students are not enrolled in programs entitled LGBT, Black, White, religious, male, female, or any other diversity-related term. But you better believe they learn how to work with people of all of these subcultures. They learn about respecting differences and that culture matters when working with people of diverse backgrounds and they learn specifics about subcultures, including LGBT. Do you see that as forcing that on students?

No they don't...not in an organized, specific manner as is being referred to in this thread, unless they take a psych course or two and read a paragraph about it in a text book...or enroll at ULL next year...

I completed every pre-med requirement, and every course was a science or math course. In addition to that, my undergrad was a liberal arts degree. I took 2 psych courses. I don't recall learning how to work with people of all of those subcultures or about respecting differences or that culture matters when working with people of diverse backgrounds or about specifics of any of those cultures in those courses. I learned more about other cultures and subcultures in my history courses and 4 Spanish courses. Those psych courses taught me theory. In all my years of higher education, I think in one of those psych courses there may have been an acknowledgement that, hey, this subculture exists and here's what it means...next.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

Your original question was not about Louisiana Tech. You asked whether such courses are allowed to be taught at a public university.

So? I also said find me one. Maybe you could find a public taxpayer funded university in California or Mass. or Wisconsin or somewhere that has 95 courses that will have GLBT content.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

Pay attention then...

http://louisiana.edu/blogs/president/
From the ULL President's blog: "The development of this new minor did not require budgetary allocations or divert resources from other areas as it allows students to choose from a list of nearly 100 existing courses across several disciplines."

But these 95 courses that will have GLBT content will still be funded by public funds and probably taxpayer $$. I say again that's insane.

[RhythmDawg]

Honestly, I don't care that they are patching together a makeshift curriculum for this. If there is enough interest on that campus, then whatever. What I disagree with enough to make me comment on the issue is that they are openly and admittedly using it as a platform outside of the classroom.

[Dawg06]

Honestly, I don't care that they are patching together a makeshift curriculum for this. If there is enough interest on that campus, then whatever. What I disagree with enough to make me comment on the issue is that they are openly and admittedly using it as a platform outside of the classroom.

I never said they were openly and admittedly using it as a platform outside the classroom. If that is their true intent (which I'm convinced it is), then they obviously can't openly admit it. But it's not about using it as a platform outside the classroom, it's about using their classroom as the platform to advocate their personal lifestyle, culture, and social agenda.

[RhythmDawg]

I never said they were openly and admittedly using it as a platform outside the classroom. If that is their true intent (which I'm convinced it is), then they obviously can't openly admit it. But it's not about using it as a platform outside the classroom, it's about using their classroom as the platform to advocate their personal lifestyle, culture, and social agenda.

First, I wasn't responding to or referencing your post. I am saying they are using as a platform outside of the classroom.

Second, yes they can...and did:

“It’s not only going to promote acceptance and tolerance on campus, but it’s also going to give students who are LGBT, questioning, or just looking for some sort of support the knowledge and comfort of knowing there are people on campus they can turn to if they need something,” said Christina Newgebaver, assistant coordinator for the LGBT minor. “It will hopefully promote educated learning about LGBTs and not promote the stereotypes that are out there.”

“At UL, in many ways, we’ve been a leader. When we were USL, we led the way in desegregation, and later we tried to lead the way in bringing women and other minorities up to the southern regional average salary,” Kalich said. “I think that this is recognition of another unprotected class of citizens who really don’t have civil rights, particularly in this state.”

"Future plans include creating cards with QR scanners, making the website more interactive, acquiring funds via grants or scholarships to fund the program and planning events for UL’s LGBT awareness month in October."

“In terms of the bigger picture, we’re just stepping on the bus at our university,” Kalich stated. “Now, will we sit in the back or not is the question? I don’t think we’re trying to take over, but we’re trying to get recognition and equality. That’s our vision: equality for everyone.

“So, hopefully not just UL, but the state as a whole will catch on to this, and we can join the rest of the country as it’s moving in the direction of acceptance of diversity and equality,” Kalich concluded.

[Dawg06]

First, I wasn't responding to or referencing your post. I am saying they are using as a platform outside of the classroom.

Second, yes they can...and did:

My bad. I misunderstood you. You are correct. They will use it as a platform inside and outside the classroom.

Check out her poster to the left of her diploma. It advocates for gay marriage.

[maverick]

So? I also said find me one. Maybe you could find a public taxpayer funded university in California or Mass. or Wisconsin or somewhere that has 95 courses that will have GLBT content.

Well, SO--actually you did not say find me one, you said find one at OUR university.

You asked "can you even teach Old or New Testament Bible or even Christian studies at a publicly funded university these days?"

I answered you: "yes."

You followed with "Then, find me one at our public university..."

Well, I never said there was one at our university; I said you can teach Christian studies at a publicly funded university.

Now, because you can't Google on your own, do the courses entitled "Jesus of Nazareth" and "Christianity" at Missouri State fit the bill?

[TYLERTECHSAS]

I said you can teach Christian studies at a publicly funded university.

Now, because you can't Google on your own, do the courses entitled "Jesus of Nazareth" and "Christianity" at Missouri State fit the bill?

So you found two course...... And that compares to a full degree plan on GLBT and 95 courses that will have GLBT content at a public university founded in part by taxpayers of Louisiana how??

[maverick]

So you found two course...... And that compares to a full degree plan on GLBT and 95 courses that will have GLBT content at a public university founded in part by taxpayers of Louisiana how??

NOBODY said it compared, Tyler. You didn't ask me for a program that compares with the LGBT and 95 courses...funded by LA taxpayers.

YOU asked if public universities can still teach courses in Christian Studies.
YOU asked for an example.
I gave you one.

[JuBru]

So you found two course...... And that compares to a full degree plan on GLBT and 95 courses that will have GLBT content at a public university founded in part by taxpayers of Louisiana how??

This is too rich.
http://www.uttyler.edu/academics/und...ies-degree.php

Stop while your still behind.

[RhythmDawg]

Maverick, disengage from Tyler for a minute and try to think clearly. I understand the point you are trying make, but I'm curious of your opinion regarding my last two posts, in the same context of using resources funded by taxpayers, to influence and promote ideaology outside of the classroom.