U-La-La, the 1st Gay University

[LookingForResults]

It appears that advocates of gay studies wish to have it both ways. While they insist on the right to advocate that universities offer gay studies, they also insist that opponents of such offerings remain silent in their opposition. That's an unreasonable position.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

Wow, I move this entire thread be deleted, are you really equating homosexuality, between consenting adults, to pedophilia and beastiality?!?

No I'm not! I don't wish to pay for it with my tax money. Where does the slide stop? What and where is the line in the sand for this country in it's "tolerance"?

I bet PennSt wont be adding this degree plan of ULL's anytime soon. Now there's a great case of where the left's religion of "Tolerance" really worked well.

http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/showt...27#post1246227

[KSDAWG]

It appears that advocates of gay studies wish to have it both ways. While they insist on the right to advocate that universities offer gay studies, they also insist that opponents of such offerings remain silent in their opposition. That's an unreasonable position.

This.

Odd as the story may be the Gay/Lesbian studies is nothing more than AGENDA. My point is that this is another step towards destroying the American fabric that we have striven so hard to build. I don't believe that people are born that way, I beleive it's a choice. That's my opinion and I may be wrong but I'm not about to ok my tax moneyto find out.

[champion110]

It appears that advocates of gay studies wish to have it both ways. While they insist on the right to advocate that universities offer gay studies, they also insist that opponents of such offerings remain silent in their opposition. That's an unreasonable position.

I don't mind the opposition, as long as you don't mind me disagreeing with you. Every time someone goes against a conservative's view, it is called opposition. When conservatives go against another view, it is called "right".

[LookingForResults]

Serious question. If homosexuality is genetic, why is there no genetic evidence? Or is there?

[champion110]

This.

Odd as the story may be the Gay/Lesbian studies is nothing more than AGENDA. My point is that this is another step towards destroying the American fabric that we have striven so hard to build. I don't believe that people are born that way, I beleive it's a choice. That's my opinion and I may be wrong but I'm not about to ok my tax moneyto find out.

Well, that is just ignorant and WANTING to stay that way. The culture IS Heterosexual. There does not need to be an "agenda" for that, since it is what we all live in. Equal rights are just that - equal rights. Minorities throughout history have had to fight for it and this is no different.

As for choice, yeah.......... That is such a great choice for people to make. It makes life so much easier for them to be Gay. Who wouldn't want that??????????

[champion110]

Serious question. If homosexuality is genetic, why is there no genetic evidence?

Why is it all throughout our history in this world? I am not claiming to know what causes it. I do know that no LEGITIMATE studies have ever shown it to be a choice. Would you choose it, if I persuaded you????????????? I can enroll you in a course and see if it takes.

[KSDAWG]

It's not ignorance it's fact. I can't tell you why the counter culture goes against the grain. I run into militant homosexuals all the time. You say the culture is HETEROSEXUAL, but stop and take a look around you. That norm is quickly vanishing. It's almost taboo to be straight on television these days. Almost all shows are pushing alternative lifestyles. I have no problem with you disagreeing with me, champ. I respect you tremendously, but is see us in a world where the strong hetero male model is railed against on a daily basis.

[LookingForResults]

I know that in some cases, perhaps a majority - I don't know, very young children that later identify themselves as homosexual may as children exhibit strong preference for activities typically associated with the opposite sex. At the same time, other very young children can exhibit the same strong preference for activities typically associated with the opposite sex, but as adults they are unquestionably heterosexual. After countless studies it seems that there is no conclusive evidence or consensus regarding the origins of homosexuality.

So I return to my contention that regardless of its origin, homosexuality is not an intended role and serves no good purpose either for the individual that is homosexual or society. It is not a "condition" to be celebrated, embraced as normal, or advocated as an acceptable alternative lifestyle for whatever minority might choose it. It is not something to be flaunted, as it is distasteful for a huge majority and their perspective should be respected. But it also need not be feared or hated by that huge majority, particularly when their view is being respected by the homosexual community at large.

[Abominable Gorilla]

Just my quick thoughts, but...

1) Isn't there a chance that this contributes to employment? Wouldn't this sort of minor make ULL attractive to someone looking for a bachelors that would help them in counselling young homosexuals?
2) Will this help ULL reach a demograph of students that were previously not attending ULL that will bring up their enrollment? Doesn't an increase in students from out of state help them?
3) Comparing homosexuality sex with animals and children doesn't work because those acts are illegal. Homosexuals are not engaging in an illegal act. The question of marriage between homosexuals is outside the topic of this conversation. Further, it's possible to be against legalizing gay marriage without being homophobic nor is it necessarily a violation of "equal rights" to deny marriage to a group of people.

[maverick]

Many of you will be distressed to hear I first heard this question asked by a professor at Tech. The question was: assuming sexual orientation is a choice, do you remember the day you chose heterosexuality?

[Dawg06]

2) Will this help ULL reach a demograph of students that were previously not attending ULL that will bring up their enrollment? Doesn't an increase in students from out of state help them?

I think the answer to your questions are "kinda but not really." There is also the flip side. You can't ignore another demographic that will be turned away from ULL because the school offers LGBT studies. They have a lot of upset alumni who have already said they are withdrawing their support from the university. I think many parents with conservative values will refuse to send their kids to ULL because of this LGBT program. This has created a lot of controversy in Lafayette and has affected ULL's reputation statewide as it has made the news in every media market in the state.

[atobulldog]

I think many people said the same thing about African American studies at one time. In fact, I think so called Christians were the main culprits.....

Can you prove this or are you just trying to be inflammatory like your Jewish remarks a few weeks back?

Just my quick thoughts, but...

1) Isn't there a chance that this contributes to employment? Wouldn't this sort of minor make ULL attractive to someone looking for a bachelors that would help them in counselling young homosexuals? I would say no, not more than a related pysch or other counselling degree. Are current counselors unequipped to navigate these situations with out this degree?
3) Comparing homosexuality sex with animals and children doesn't work because those acts are illegal. Homosexuals are not engaging in an illegal act. The question of marriage between homosexuals is outside the topic of this conversation. Further, it's possible to be against legalizing gay marriage without being homophobic nor is it necessarily a violation of "equal rights" to deny marriage to a group of people. Personally I don't care if two people live together and have a tax designation similar to married people. I've not equated marriage as a right but more of a privilege as a college education is not a right (although many on the left disagree on this point too.)

Many of you will be distressed to hear I first heard this question asked by a professor at Tech. The question was: assuming sexual orientation is a choice, do you remember the day you chose heterosexuality?

I think it has more to do with a culture of parents and society suggesting to you that being heterosexual is normal, i.e. asking my 5 year old son who his girlfriend is at school picking at him. In know that a struggle with desire is a choice and in the confusion, it may seem biological at some point. However in the cases I am more intimately familiar with it was definitely a choice.

[champion110]

It's not ignorance it's fact. I can't tell you why the counter culture goes against the grain. I run into militant homosexuals all the time. You say the culture is HETEROSEXUAL, but stop and take a look around you. That norm is quickly vanishing. It's almost taboo to be straight on television these days. Almost all shows are pushing alternative lifestyles. I have no problem with you disagreeing with me, champ. I respect you tremendously, but is see us in a world where the strong hetero male model is railed against on a daily basis.

I see Gay persons on sitcoms and it is refreshing. 99.9% are straight on sitcoms, so it is nice to see another group of people represented. Oh, and as much as I may state my opinion, don't worry........ I respect you, as well. ;-)

[champion110]

Can you prove this or are you just trying to be inflammatory like your Jewish remarks a few weeks back?

My Jewish remarks?????





I think it has more to do with a culture of parents and society suggesting to you that being heterosexual is normal, i.e. asking my 5 year old son who his girlfriend is at school picking at him. In know that a struggle with desire is a choice and in the confusion, it may seem biological at some point. However in the cases I am more intimately familiar with it was definitely a choice.

Personal experiences like the ones you describe can shape your opinion.