Another serious question to those of you who love your guns: do you not favor any change whatsoever? No changes in background checks? No closing the gun show loophole? Just trying to take the pulse.
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Another serious question to those of you who love your guns: do you not favor any change whatsoever? No changes in background checks? No closing the gun show loophole? Just trying to take the pulse.
Background checks, yes. But like you asked earlier, who determines the parameters of mental health or criminality? The climate right now is if you were given a speeding ticket, you are being considering a hardened criminal that can't buy anything. Just divorced your husband wife or broke up with your long time boyfriend/girlfriend? Too bad, your depressed and therefore mentally ill and can't buy anything. Served in the military? Can't buy anything. Lost your job? Can't buy anything. Where does it stop? Answer is it doesn't until everything is gone.Originally Posted by maverick
Gun show loophole, I'm leaning yes.
The main change I'm for is enforcing the laws already on the books. We don't need new laws. Current laws are enough. Use them.
We do get into the discussion in other laws, though, when doing it. But that is an ideological debate for another day.
Background checks will produce another giant bureaucracy of paper shufflers on the federal/state/local payrolls, which will probably appeal to the politicians -- "creating jobs", you know.
The value or worth of mandatory background checks is probably nil.
I don't think private citizens should be required to do a background check before they sell their personal guns to another person. I am more open to the idea of background checks for "dealers."
Jordan Mills on choosing Tech:
“It’s a great experience seeing them play. It was a good atmosphere. The fans stood up the whole game and never sat down. They have a great fan base.”
A ban on assualt weapons and 11+ round magazines is ridiculous. It completely flies in the face of the 2nd Amendment. A militia without assault weapons and/or one limited to low capacity magazines is significantly less effective.
Jordan Mills on choosing Tech:
“It’s a great experience seeing them play. It was a good atmosphere. The fans stood up the whole game and never sat down. They have a great fan base.”
Better background checks and methods for the "dealers" to use prior to a sale maybe; yes. Maybe even a 24 hour waiting period as a fall back but I really don't want that to happen. To do it right now Obama will need everyone's medical records (for mental health and what RRX drugs people are taking type issues) which he's trying to do through ObamaCare. I don't know if I want that to happen. It's not any of their business what regular folks heath issues are or what they are taking. Now if by being prescribed certain psychotic drugs, for mental disorders, would automatically send a tickler to the Feds I might be talked into that one. This way only the potential problem folks per these issues could be ID'd quick by stores that sell guns.
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The crazy in Connecticut who shot the school children used his mother's guns. The crazy in upstate New York who shot the firemen got an acquaintance to purchase the weapon for him. Guns are stolen all the time.
Why do you liberal repugs constantly want more and more government and government control ??
I'm in favor of more concealed carry permit holders who ACTUALLY carry their weapons. I'm for increasing the number of armed guards at schools. I'm for allowing concealed carry in places of worship. Those are changes I could definitely get behind.
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
Obama's executive orders on gun-control:
1. Already a thing. Nothing new. Reducing the number of conflicting agencies would help this along, though.1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
2. Ignoring his own law and going against his buddies championing privacy laws?
3. Bribes and more intimidation. The most likely way to force his policies through.
4. Already a thing. Nothing new. Since when does the Attorney General ever do his job, though?
5. Already a thing. Nothing new.
6. Already a thing. Nothing new. Sometimes ignored, mostly not.
7. Already a thing. Nothing new.
8. Already a thing. Nothing new.
9. Already a thing. Nothing new. Guns don't just sit around not being looked at.
10. Already a thing. Nothing new. If a gun is reported stolen by the owner, it's already marked and is available knowledge to anyone that looks.
11. Already a thing. Nothing new. Obama nominated B. Todd Jones for this position. Jones has been the acting director since Fast and Furious blew up in Obama & Co's face. Obama put off making it permanent because of the election.
12. Already a thing. Nothing new. Despite popular belief, police don't sit on their ass and eat doughnuts every waking moment. But it never hurts to go through more training, especially teachers.
13. Already a thing. Nothing new.
14. The CDC has absolutely no reason to look at anything with gun violence other than the infections someone can get from a wound.
15. Already a thing. Nothing new. Again, since when does the AG ever does his job? And who does Obama think has made the locks, safes, and everything else gun owners use?
16. Nor does anything require an owner to answer the question. Probably should always "clarify" that an answer or lack thereof is a non-factor in most situations.
17. Already a thing. Nothing new.
18. More bribing and intimidation.
19. Already a thing. Nothing new. In our highly litigious society, stuff like this is looked at. Updating regularly, if necessary, is a problem.
20. Already a thing. Nothing new.
21 & 22. What?
23. This one is okay, if it's an actual dialogue and not the typical dictating.
I go back to my last post for 99% of these:
The main change I'm for is enforcing the laws already on the books. We don't need new laws. Current laws are enough. Use them.
Gun show loophole???? Someone has to explain that one to me.
If I go to a gun show and buy a firearm, I have to pass the same background check I would if I were in a gun store someplace. Now, I COULD buy a gun from someone at the show that is not a dealer (thereby not licensed to buy and sell guns) and not undergo a check, and I could sell one the same way. But I could do that in the local newspaper. I can do the same thing with an automobile.
This verbiage is an attempt of the left and treasonous media to frame the debate and generate angst against the straw man they create.
The only place I saw a failure in the background check process was with fast and furious, and they don't want to talk about that one for some reason.
Elitist Hypocrite is the nicest thing I can say about that jugeared fool right now. The NRA showed great restraint. I hope this all backfires on him (much like it does to the dims every time they do this stuff).
Gun shows are an official, licensed (with someone) event. Any applicable laws should be followed, including background checks. Doesn't matter if it's Smith & Wesson or bulk buyer/seller.
What you do on your own, is what you do. But you should be held accountable if something happens.
How? I'm not being snarky, I really want to know. What is reasonable for a private citizen who wants to sell something that's dangerous? What should I require of the buyer? I can ask if they'll sign a bill of sale, but should I be required to administer a background check?
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
Just more big govt. bureaucratic feel good stuff that does nothing to stop the problem they'e trying to address. They don't enforce the laws already on the books so just make new ones that will show the low info crowd that they're doing something to stop the violence. Another half of a billion spent to show those that "cling to their guns and religion" that guvermint knows what best for them. Don't dare ask about fast and furious, Chicagoland gun laws, and all the guns that are protecting the potus and his family because we all know govermint knows best. Second amendment, watch out they're chipping away!
Yes!
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