Comprehensive Conference Realignment Thread

[inudesu]

Let me add this.

According to Joe Lunardi's projected bracket for this season:
- Big East expected to earn 18 units
- C-USA expected to earn 1 unit

The Big East's 18 expected units would replace their 13 units from 2007. Net +5 units.
C-USA's 1 expected unit would replace their 4 units from 2007. Net -3 units.

For 2013-14, projected MBB distribution payouts would be:
- Big East: $30,512,932
- C-USA: $3,751,590

Projected BC$ football money for 2013-14:
- Big East: $25 million
- C-USA: $4 million

Projected TV revenue for 2013-14:
- Big East: $33 million
- C-USA: $16 million

Those 3 items total for 2013-14:
- Big East: $88.51 million
- C-USA: $23.75 million

Those are very big and important differences. And obviously, those numbers justify any school leaving CUSA for the "Big" East even if it just ends up being the old CUSA.

But that difference is going to shrink considerably after next year. The difference in an "AQ" BE (that's also a basketball powerhouse) and a "non-AQ" CUSA is much larger than the difference between say, CUSA and the SB. And going forward (once AQ goes away, and much of the BE's b-ball power), the new BE is basically CUSA, and the new CUSA is not too far off from the SB.

It's still better. But it's not going to maintain the kind of distance you're showing for next season.

[HogDawg]

Those are very big and important differences. And obviously, those numbers justify any school leaving CUSA for the "Big" East even if it just ends up being the old CUSA.

But that difference is going to shrink considerably after next year. The difference in an "AQ" BE (that's also a basketball powerhouse) and a "non-AQ" CUSA is much larger than the difference between say, CUSA and the SB. And going forward (once AQ goes away, and much of the BE's b-ball power), the new BE is basically CUSA, and the new CUSA is not too far off from the SB.

It's still better. But it's not going to maintain the kind of distance you're showing for next season.

This!!!! Dawg06 knows this, he just refuses to acknowledge it.

Any gains SMU, Tulane and Houston earn from being members of the new Big East will only be "transitional". It's money found from sitting in the right chair when the music stops. But as others pointed out, a non-AQ new Big East conference holds very little "value advantage" over a non-AQ CUSA. They will BOTH still be non-AQ's. When the smoke clears, it's still SMU, Tulane, Houston and Memphis,......not Alabama, Texas or Ohio St. No TV network is going to compensate a non-AQ nBE with AQ dollars.



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[Dawg06]

Those are very big and important differences. And obviously, those numbers justify any school leaving CUSA for the "Big" East even if it just ends up being the old CUSA.

But that difference is going to shrink considerably after next year. The difference in an "AQ" BE (that's also a basketball powerhouse) and a "non-AQ" CUSA is much larger than the difference between say, CUSA and the SB. And going forward (once AQ goes away, and much of the BE's b-ball power), the new BE is basically CUSA, and the new CUSA is not too far off from the SB.

It's still better. But it's not going to maintain the kind of distance you're showing for next season.

The difference will shrink considerably, but the Big East will still distribute significantly more money than C-USA.

The Big East MBB money will stick around for the next 7 years, and the few extra C-USA units will be gone after next season. With UConn (if they get their APR fixed), Cincinnati, Temple, and Memphis, the Big East will still bring in a decent amount of MBB units while C-USA will likely be down to a 1-bid league most years.

The Big East will land a second tier TV rights deal that will likely make it at least double what C-USA schools are currently receiving. Also, C-USA's current TV deal will likely shrink considerably after it expires in 2016.

The Big East should also land a greater football distribution than C-USA every year based on performance.

Even though the Big East won't be getting AQ money or a blockbuster TV deal after next season, they will still get considerably more money than C-USA. Yes, the Big East has taken a great fall, but they will still undoubtedly be the richest conference from the "group of five" for the foreseeable future. It isn't close.

[Dawg06]

Kennesaw State will start up a football program in 2015. Part of Benson's survival plan?
http://www.ksuowls.com/news/2013/2/1...214133151.aspx

UMass-Lowell moving up to Division I and will join the America East Conference.
http://www.goriverhawks.com/news/201...x?path=general

Monmouth football will move from the Northeast Conference to the Big South Conference.
http://www.bigsouthsports.com/ViewAr...CLID=206394001

[champion110]

The difference will shrink considerably, but the Big East will still distribute significantly more money than C-USA.

The Big East MBB money will stick around for the next 7 years, and the few extra C-USA units will be gone after next season. With UConn (if they get their APR fixed), Cincinnati, Temple, and Memphis, the Big East will still bring in a decent amount of MBB units while C-USA will likely be down to a 1-bid league most years.

The Big East will land a second tier TV rights deal that will likely make it at least double what C-USA schools are currently receiving. Also, C-USA's current TV deal will likely shrink considerably after it expires in 2016.

The Big East should also land a greater football distribution than C-USA every year based on performance.

Even though the Big East won't be getting AQ money or a blockbuster TV deal after next season, they will still get considerably more money than C-USA. Yes, the Big East has taken a great fall, but they will still undoubtedly be the richest conference from the "group of five" for the foreseeable future. It isn't close.

I can't see UConn sticking around for long. They will leave some money on the table, but I can't see them sticking with the new group.

[GrassyNoleHitman]

The difference will shrink considerably, but the Big East will still distribute significantly more money than C-USA.

The Big East MBB money will stick around for the next 7 years, and the few extra C-USA units will be gone after next season. With UConn (if they get their APR fixed), Cincinnati, Temple, and Memphis, the Big East will still bring in a decent amount of MBB units while C-USA will likely be down to a 1-bid league most years.

The Big East will land a second tier TV rights deal that will likely make it at least double what C-USA schools are currently receiving. Also, C-USA's current TV deal will likely shrink considerably after it expires in 2016.

The Big East should also land a greater football distribution than C-USA every year based on performance.

Even though the Big East won't be getting AQ money or a blockbuster TV deal after next season, they will still get considerably more money than C-USA. Yes, the Big East has taken a great fall, but they will still undoubtedly be the richest conference from the "group of five" for the foreseeable future. It isn't close.

If i were Cincy or UConn I would demand that the 2nd tier rights stay with the team. they can get a better package with their regional sports networks (FSN Ohio, or YES) than they could as part of a Big East 2nd Tier deal. it will still leave them far behind the AQ conferences, but it can put them ahead of the Big Priest deal.

[GrassyNoleHitman]

I can't see UConn sticking around for long. They will leave some money on the table, but I can't see them sticking with the new group.

they can't leave unless they have somewhere to go. ACC won't pick up UConn and Cincy unless they have to. and if they have to...UConn+Cincy won't be enough to save the conference.

if the rumors of a raid on the ACC are true, i don't think the ACC will reload. i think it will cease to exist!

Big Ten is going for the throat in an attempt to get ND. let's assume it is successful...ACC loses UVA, UNC, FSU, and ND to the B1G.

SEC gets VT and NCSU. (this is the plan B for the SEC. plan A is UNC+Dook)

Big 12 gets Miami, GT, CU, and UL

that leaves Dook, WF, Pitt, Cuse, and BC left.

expect an ACC-Big East merger to get to 16 teams. Big East currently has 11. they have not yet invited Tulsa because they are waiting to see what happens with the ACC.

[Dawg06]

I can't see UConn sticking around for long. They will leave some money on the table, but I can't see them sticking with the new group.

Like Hitman said, UConn and Cincy can't go anywhere until they have somewhere to go. If they do get an invite to move up to the ACC, it means that the Big East will raid C-USA again for their most valuable schools (and could take UMass).

[champion110]

Like Hitman said, UConn and Cincy can't go anywhere until they have somewhere to go. If they do get an invite to move up to the ACC, it means that the Big East will raid C-USA again for their most valuable schools (and could take UMass).

And the tv deal on the next round will be worse......... Face it, the Big East is CUSA. Yes, I want to be there, but they basically will end up with what they started. The Big East name will not be worth much soon either. UConn will find a home - ACC or not. They are not going to stay with the new group. Cincy will be next, if they don't go together.

[brtransplant]

CUSA won't look like the conference we had hoped to join, but it is still absolutely the best place we could have hoped to land at this time. Can you imagine how we'd feel if we were in the predicament that ULL finds itself in right now? Even if CUSA loses one or two more members, the Cajuns are an unlikely candidate as a replacement. They are stuck in a Sunbelt Conference that will soon look a lot like the Southland Conference. They'll be joined at the hip with ULM for a very long time. Thank goodness that isn't us. It very easily could have been.

[champion110]

CUSA won't look like the conference we had hoped to join, but it is still absolutely the best place we could have hoped to land at this time. Can you imagine how we'd feel if we were in the predicament that ULL finds itself in right now? Even if CUSA loses one or two more members, the Cajuns are an unlikely candidate as a replacement. They are stuck in a Sunbelt Conference that will soon look a lot like the Southland Conference. They'll be joined at the hip with ULM for a very long time. Thank goodness that isn't us. It very easily could have been.

Totally agree........ I hope the posts by anyone don't indicate that we are not happy about getting in CUSA. We all just wish it was the same CUSA. Have to keep striving for more, anyway. Never be satisfied. Even if it was the same teams, we should be figuring out the next step.

[parialex]

Totally agree........ I hope the posts by anyone don't indicate that we are not happy about getting in CUSA. We all just wish it was the same CUSA. Have to keep striving for more, anyway. Never be satisfied. Even if it was the same teams, we should be figuring out the next step.

Which is sort of our perspective on the Big East. No, it's not exactly what we were hoping for. Well, it's not close to what we were hoping for. But it's still the best place available to us, and a mild improvement over where we previously were.

[counselingdawg]

I know we are'nt a fit and they don't want us, but I think the MWC will do well. It looks stronger than CUSA, Sunbelt, and maybe Big East.

[hookdown]

I know we are'nt a fit and they don't want us, but I think the MWC will do well. It looks stronger than CUSA, Sunbelt, and maybe Big East.

Agreed! Only thing "wrong" with the MWC is that whole geography thing....

[HogDawg]

Which is sort of our perspective on the Big East. No, it's not exactly what we were hoping for. Well, it's not close to what we were hoping for. But it's still the best place available to us, and a mild improvement over where we previously were.

Actually, I'd say it's just about IDENTICAL to where you were previously.