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Sir yes sir. : )Carry on ...
We leave no dead horse unbeaten!!!
Originally Posted by 70TECHGRAD
That is one thing the entire board can agree on. If it is dead we must slaughter it again.
Yep, beat it, run over it, and then back over it!!!
This has to be posted. Yes both sides with spin but Dems just are lying their arses off on this one.
October 4, 2013
Who Shut Down the Government?
Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institute and author of The Housing Boom and Bust.
10/4/2013 12:01:00 AM - Thomas SowellCreators Syndicate
Even when it comes to something as basic, and apparently as simple and straightforward, as the question of who shut down the federal government, there are diametrically opposite answers, depending on whether you talk to Democrats or to Republicans.
There is really nothing complicated about the facts. The Republican-controlled House of Representatives voted all the money required to keep all government activities going -- except for ObamaCare.
This is not a matter of opinion. You can check the Congressional Record.
As for the House of Representatives' right to grant or withhold money, that is not a matter of opinion either. You can check the Constitution of the United States. All spending bills must originate in the House of Representatives, which means that Congressmen there have a right to decide whether or not they want to spend money on a particular government activity.
Whether ObamaCare is good, bad or indifferent is a matter of opinion. But it is a matter of fact that members of the House of Representatives have a right to make spending decisions based on their opinion.
ObamaCare is indeed "the law of the land," as its supporters keep saying, and the Supreme Court has upheld its Constitutionality.
But the whole point of having a division of powers within the federal government is that each branch can decide independently what it wants to do or not do, regardless of what the other branches do, when exercising the powers specifically granted to that branch by the Constitution.
The hundreds of thousands of government workers who have been laid off are not idle because the House of Representatives did not vote enough money to pay their salaries or the other expenses of their agencies -- unless they are in an agency that would administer ObamaCare.
Since we cannot read minds, we cannot say who -- if anybody -- "wants to shut down the government." But we do know who had the option to keep the government running and chose not to. The money voted by the House of Representatives covered everything that the government does, except for ObamaCare.
The Senate chose not to vote to authorize that money to be spent, because it did not include money for ObamaCare. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says that he wants a "clean" bill from the House of Representatives, and some in the media keep repeating the word "clean" like a mantra. But what is unclean about not giving Harry Reid everything he wants?
If Senator Reid and President Obama refuse to accept the money required to run the government, because it leaves out the money they want to run ObamaCare, that is their right. But that is also their responsibility.
You cannot blame other people for not giving you everything you want. And it is a fraud to blame them when you refuse to use the money they did vote, even when it is ample to pay for everything else in the government.
When Barack Obama keeps claiming that it is some new outrage for those who control the money to try to change government policy by granting or withholding money, that is simply a bald-faced lie. You can check the history of other examples of "legislation by appropriation" as it used to be called.
Whether legislation by appropriation is a good idea or a bad idea is a matter of opinion. But whether it is both legal and not unprecedented is a matter of fact.
Perhaps the biggest of the big lies is that the government will not be able to pay what it owes on the national debt, creating a danger of default. Tax money keeps coming into the Treasury during the shutdown, and it vastly exceeds the interest that has to be paid on the national debt.
Even if the debt ceiling is not lifted, that only means that government is not allowed to run up new debt. But that does not mean that it is unable to pay the interest on existing debt.
None of this is rocket science. But unless the Republicans get their side of the story out -- and articulation has never been their strong suit -- the lies will win. More important, the whole country will lose.
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More liberal/Dem biased spin and lies.
Networks blamed Republicans in 41 stories -- 0 for Dems...
He knows his voting base is basically as dumb a a box of rocks and brainwashed to the max.
Obama denies health care comments...
Video recordings show him saying them -- at least 29 times!
“If we had allowed these old plans [to continue]… then we would have broken an even more important promise — making sure that Americans gain access to health care that doesn’t leave them one illness away from financial ruin."
Sooooo...I thought he said that those plans being cancelled was the fault of the insurance companies canceling them prematurely, or something like that. Now he is saying that the ACA in fact doesn't allow them...sooooo, when the insurance companies said they cancelled them because of Obamacare, they were in fact telling the truth...but I thought he and his minions said the insurance companies blaming Obamacare for the cancelations was a "falsehood."
I'm confused now on which lie I am supposed to believe.
They still say that.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...pushback.html#
'Obama has rebranded himself as a liar, forever'
If you like your health-care plan, you can keep your health-care plan. You can keep your doctor. There are no death panels. You’ll save $2,500 a year in health care premiums under Obamacare. The costs of health care will go down. The Obamacare website is working.
How true! I mentioned on here before that Hussein Obama probably never got his arse whipped by his dad or real dad as a kid for anything.
FOURNIER: Lying About Lies...
http://www.nationaljournal.com/white...obama-20131105
Liars? remember when Biden got all smug during last year's VP debate and said taxpayers have been repaid 100% by GM, and in fact, the treasury has made money off saving GM!? Wow! and then the libtard media types making fun of foolish Paul Ryan for not knowing that!
Well...seems that was just another lie. Guess what! Paul Ryan was right, and as of yesterday GM still owes US taxpayers $10 billion. A year later and they still haven't repaid the bail-out. Can't believe Biden lied like that......
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...loss-GM-sharesLiars? remember when Biden got all smug during last year's VP debate and said taxpayers have been repaid 100% by GM, and in fact, the treasury has made money off saving GM!? Wow! and then the libtard media types making fun of foolish Paul Ryan for not knowing that!
Well...seems that was just another lie. Guess what! Paul Ryan was right, and as of yesterday GM still owes US taxpayers $10 billion. A year later and they still haven't repaid the bail-out. Can't believe Biden lied like that......
Liars? remember when Biden got all smug during last year's VP debate and said taxpayers have been repaid 100% by GM, and in fact, the treasury has made money off saving GM!? Wow! and then the libtard media types making fun of foolish Paul Ryan for not knowing that!
Well...seems that was just another lie. Guess what! Paul Ryan was right, and as of yesterday GM still owes US taxpayers $10 billion. A year later and they still haven't repaid the bail-out. Can't believe Biden lied like that......How are liberal, socialist Dems not held accountable for their daily huge lies by the American people? Oh yeah I forgot.......their base and the liberal media aren't American people. They're sheeple.
They're not held accountable because American values have turned into everyone deserves everything for nothing and that all problems are the fault of someone else, usually rich white people.
New York is about to relive it's "glory" days. Virginia had such crappy candidates Clinton's whipping boy barely beat the Tea Party Candidate. New Jersey is going to continue to prosper until Christie decides to run for the vacant POTUS job. Of course, the only reason Christie won is because New Jersey is filled with nothing but white racists idiots who want to do nothing more than kill gays, muslims, women, really any "protected class" in existence. Or so the leftist say.
Spend one day in the comments of any left or right news story, and you'll want to become a hybrid of social-fascism, with emphasis on the fascism.
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