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[Bigdog13]

You know there's something wrong with you, don't you?

Most definitely HD. My wife would confirm that. Guilty as charged!! BTW- If you were wondering, there is only about 11-14 minutes of actual playing in a game. Remember this is just from snap to whistle. No huddles, time-outs, halftime, ref's explaining calls, etc... Think about this from an entertainment/commercial standpoint. They turn 11-14 minutes of actual action into a multi-million dollar product. There is really nothing like it. It's marketing genius. But back to our original topic. If the defense is complaining about the offense moving too fast for them to be successful then I suggest they take up golf. Because if you take that 11-14 minutes and remove the offense from it, what you are really saying is Sonny's fast paced offense made it impossible for our defense to play at a high level for 6-8 minutes. Think about that for a second.

[T1]

When I was in HS, we used to college-style wrestle each other for 1 minute. I would rather run a mile in 6 minutes. Wrestling for a minute is MUCH tougher.

[Bigdog13]

When I was in HS, we used to college-style wrestle each other for 1 minute. I would rather run a mile in 6 minutes. Wrestling for a minute is MUCH tougher.

Yeah but an average football play is 4 seconds. What if when you wrestled that one minute it was done in 4 second increments with a halftime, timeouts, a break for the quarter. A break when your partner took his turn (offense/defense) Etc.... But I agree wrestling is extremely tiring. You use almost every muscle in your body in wrestling.

[Dirtydawg]

Most definitely HD. My wife would confirm that. Guilty as charged!! BTW- If you were wondering, there is only about 11-14 minutes of actual playing in a game. Remember this is just from snap to whistle. No huddles, time-outs, halftime, ref's explaining calls, etc... Think about this from an entertainment/commercial standpoint. They turn 11-14 minutes of actual action into a multi-million dollar product. There is really nothing like it. It's marketing genius. But back to our original topic. If the defense is complaining about the offense moving too fast for them to be successful then I suggest they take up golf. Because if you take that 11-14 minutes and remove the offense from it, what you are really saying is Sonny's fast paced offense made it impossible for our defense to play at a high level for 6-8 minutes. Think about that for a second.

Not blaming the offense for the lack of defense, but you do know there's more that goes into playing defense than just running after the guys on offense. While there may only be up 10 15 minutes of action, there's more than just action going on. Actually, I think one of the most quoted of Bear Bryants quotes was the fact that he would tell his players that the plays last an everage of 8 seconds with up to 30 seconds of rest in between, so they should be able to give everything they have for every play. I know with how the game has changed, that's not necessarily accurate anymore, but it's the same premise you put forth.
Personally, I agree that a defense blaming a fast paced offense for the lack of success is bogus especially when you look at some of the top SEC teams who rarely score 30 points on each other and their offenses stall many times after only 4 downs and their defenses have to go out and make the plays and they're able to do it. You never hear about how they're hurt by the lack of offense forcing them on the field too often because they get their stops.

[Bigdog13]

I played football and know how exhausting it can be. There were times at the end of a long drive where I was tired, but I kept playing at a high level. That said, I'm just saying, the offense has one job. Score Points. Your offenses strategy shouldn't be to help the defense. It should be to put points on the board using any and all means necessary, including no huddle. I wouldn't feel right as a defensive coach or player if I needed the offense to slow down in order for me to be successful. The other point this time thing should make besides disproving this stupid defense needing help B.S. is showing how critical mistakes and turnovers are. If the game is only 11 minutes long you damn well better protect the ball and limit stupid mistakes because you don't have a lot of time to rectify those mistakes and turn the game around. You are basically asking players to be perfect. That's another reason why having an offensive line like we had last year is so valuable.

[PawDawg]

Y'all are killing me with this flawed football logic.

List some high octane teams who've had great defenses over the years. You can't do it.

[Bigdog13]

Not blaming the offense for the lack of defense, but you do know there's more that goes into playing defense than just running after the guys on offense. While there may only be up 10 15 minutes of action, there's more than just action going on. Actually, I think one of the most quoted of Bear Bryants quotes was the fact that he would tell his players that the plays last an everage of 8 seconds with up to 30 seconds of rest in between, so they should be able to give everything they have for every play. I know with how the game has changed, that's not necessarily accurate anymore, but it's the same premise you put forth.
Personally, I agree that a defense blaming a fast paced offense for the lack of success is bogus especially when you look at some of the top SEC teams who rarely score 30 points on each other and their offenses stall many times after only 4 downs and their defenses have to go out and make the plays and they're able to do it. You never hear about how they're hurt by the lack of offense forcing them on the field too often because they get their stops.

DD I'm still astounded by the $$$$$ produced by just 11 minutes of actual action. Can you think of anything else like it?? Maybe a Mike Tyson fight in the 80's is the only comparison. The difference is at least the fight was scheduled for 12 rounds even though he ended many of them in the first. I can't really think of a sport that or really any form of entertainment where the product is so short but the money is that big. The players/coaches more than earn their money because of all the time they have to spend year round to be ready for those 11 minutes but the NFL itself as a league doesn't have to do much work for the money it rakes in from those massive TV contracts.

[Dirtydawg]

Y'all are killing me with this flawed football logic.

List some high octane teams who've had great defenses over the years. You can't do it.

I don't think it's as simple as that. I think the reason that high octane teams have developed is because they haven't had great defenses or the ability to get the players/coaches needed to to have great defenses. I think a big part of it is because they aren't known for having great defenses, so the schools that do have the top defenses use that as a tool to get the better defensive players by showing how much better they will be developed than at the high octane schools. Who knows, another recruiting tool could be that these defensive schools are telling these top defensive recruits that the high octane coaches don't put a priority on defense either, and truth be known, that might actually be the case. It could be that most of these high octane coaches truly believe that all they need is a serviceable defense so that they can outscore their opponent. I'll say this. I think that is about the only good thing that will come out of this play-off system. We'll finally get a chance to see an end of the year high octane offense that is running on all cylinders with a top 50 or so defense go against a top defense with a mediocre offense and it will be a start to giving points to either side of the debate.

[Dirtydawg]

DD I'm still astounded by the $$$$$ produced by just 11 minutes of actual action. Can you think of anything else like it?? Maybe a Mike Tyson fight in the 80's is the only comparison. The difference is at least the fight was scheduled for 12 rounds even though he ended many of them in the first. I can't really think of a sport that or really any form of entertainment where the product is so short but the money is that big. The players/coaches more than earn their money because of all the time they have to spend year round to be ready for those 11 minutes but the NFL itself as a league doesn't have to do much work for the money it rakes in from those massive TV contracts.

My only guess would be amateur internet porn.

[Bigdog13]

Y'all are killing me with this flawed football logic.

List some high octane teams who've had great defenses over the years. You can't do it.

It's not flawed. It's common sense. If you can't play at a high level for what?, 5-6 minutes over a 2 and a half hour period with numerous breaks in between like huddles, halftimes, quarter breaks, official timeouts, then you are out of shape. I'm over 200 pounds and I ran on the treadmill a lot longer than that last night. I'm not talking about not being tired or winded. You can't play football without getting tired. I'm talking about being so tired and winded you can blame the offense for your poor performance. Oh and Oregon was #8 in the nation in Defense Efficiency last year. We were #112.

[Bigdog13]

It's not flawed. It's common sense. If you can't play at a high level for what?, 5-6 minutes over a 2 and a half hour period with numerous breaks in between like huddles, halftimes, quarter breaks, official timeouts, then you are out of shape. I'm over 200 pounds and I ran on the treadmill a lot longer than that last night. I'm not talking about not being tired or winded. You can't play football without getting tired. I'm talking about being so tired and winded you can blame the offense for your poor performance. Oh and Oregon was #8 in the nation in Defense Efficiency last year. We were #112.

Also, A&M ran a no huddle and they were #20 in defensive efficiency. But you said High Octane with a "great defense" and that's not really fair. None of us were asking our defense to be #8 in the nation like Oregon. We were merely asking them to be poor or mediocre instead of the worst in the entire country. A poor-mediocre defense with our offense would have sent us to the Orange Bowl.

[inudesu]

Y'all are killing me with this flawed football logic.

List some high octane teams who've had great defenses over the years. You can't do it.

The total defense statistics will typically be worse, but what matters is how the D performs on a per snap scale.

[SWarner63]

Y'all are killing me with this flawed football logic.

List some high octane teams who've had great defenses over the years. You can't do it.

It doesn't have to be a great defense. That's the point I've been trying to make.

Oregon - 5th in YPG ; 25th in points against

Oklahoma - 12th in YPG ; 50th in points against

Fresno State - 16th in YPG; 37th in points against

Utah State - 21st YPG; 7th in points against

Florida State - 19th in YPG; 6th in points against

Oklahoma State - 4th in YPG; 64th in points against (still 60 spots better than us almost)

Arkansas State - 23rd in YPG; 43rd in points against

North Carolina - 14th in YPG; 53rd in points against

This is just from this past year. All these teams run up-tempo spread offenses and were still able to play solid defense behind it. It doesn't have to be a world beater Top 10 defense, its just got to be solid enough to keep other teams from scoring every possession.

[Loftonbranch]

List some high octane teams who've had great defenses over the years. You can't do it. Go check out Florida during Urban Meyer days. For example, in 2008 they had the #3 total offense, and #5 total defense.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

It doesn't have to be a great defense. That's the point I've been trying to make.

Oregon - 5th in YPG ; 25th in points against

Oklahoma - 12th in YPG ; 50th in points against

Fresno State - 16th in YPG; 37th in points against

Utah State - 21st YPG; 7th in points against

Florida State - 19th in YPG; 6th in points against

Oklahoma State - 4th in YPG; 64th in points against (still 60 spots better than us almost)

Arkansas State - 23rd in YPG; 43rd in points against

North Carolina - 14th in YPG; 53rd in points against

This is just from this past year. All these teams run up-tempo spread offenses and were still able to play solid defense behind it. It doesn't have to be a world beater Top 10 defense, its just got to be solid enough to keep other teams from scoring every possession.

Exactly!!