Fire Holtz

[HogDawg]

For every Gus Malzon there are 3 Todd Dodges...

I disagree. I actually think Todd Dodge is the anomaly in this discussion. IMO, it's pretty unusual for a guy THAT successful at the largest high school classification level to bomb out like Todd Dodge did. Yes, high school coaches fail all the time when attempting to transition to the college level. But most aren't near as successful as Todd Dodge was in high school either.

IMO, here's the big difference: Both Art Briles and Gus Malzahn served as assistant coaches for at least a short period of time at the college level before taking over a college head coaching job. On the other hand, Todd Dodge went straight from high school head coach to college FBS head coach. Dodge was truly undergoing "on the job training" while employed at UNT.

[Dwayne From Minden]

For the record, some of the old timers on this board will recall that I recommended replacing Jack Bicknell with Art Briles way back in the early 2000's. It was when Briles was still transitioning from Stephenville High School to Texas Tech as an assistant coach. This was when Briles was still at TX Tech, and a year or two before he went to the Univ of Houston. I recommended firing JBIII and hiring Briles. Of course, the usual suspects on this board --in all their brilliance--told me I was crazy for wanting to hire an unproven "Texas coach" with mostly high school coaching experience.

You did...

[Houston Techsan]

How long was Briles at Texas Tech before getting the Houston HC job. Seems like he coached Kevin Kolb at Stephenville and that's how he got him to Houston.

[JuBru]

How long was Briles at Texas Tech before getting the Houston HC job. Seems like he coached Kevin Kolb at Stephenville and that's how he got him to Houston.

Running back coach from 2000-2002 (3 seasons).

[Houston Techsan]

Thanks

[StrongBad]

Has this clown been fired yet?

[Goose]

Has this clown been fired yet?

Check back next year.

[SWarner63]

I disagree. I actually think Todd Dodge is the anomaly in this discussion. IMO, it's pretty unusual for a guy THAT successful at the largest high school classification level to bomb out like Todd Dodge did. Yes, high school coaches fail all the time when attempting to transition to the college level. But most aren't near as successful as Todd Dodge was in high school either.

IMO, here's the big difference: Both Art Briles and Gus Malzahn served as assistant coaches for at least a short period of time at the college level before taking over a college head coaching job. On the other hand, Todd Dodge went straight from high school head coach to college FBS head coach. Dodge was truly undergoing "on the job training" while employed at UNT.

I agree 100%. A head coach should have SOME sort of college coaching experience before becoming a full time head coach in college. The position of high school head coach and college head coach are VASTLY different. Not only what is expected of you, but also the demands on your time. It's not just showing up and coaching the kids anymore. You have to be a manager of recruiting, scheme, playing time, etc. You also have to keep a presence in the community by attending certain events that showcase your team and school. It is just such a vast change, it's next to impossible to be successful at that transition without having already had an inside look into what all goes on. Because as is the case in 99% of sports scenarios, the general public only sees about 1% of what all is really going on.

[StrongBad]

Check back next year.

Ok, thanks. I'll see you then.

[upsetpuppydog]

What logical reason is there to keep Holtz? We already know the outcome, he has already ruined our program and we are going to keep him around so he can ruin it some more? This does not make any sense. I'm not buying the money excuse, I know that we aren't paying one of our coordinators $300,000 a year like we did with Franklin. So with the money we saved spending on the cheap for this coaching staff and 2 money games I know that we have the money to buy him out.

[johnnylightnin]

Need 2 million over 4 years to buy him out. His agent took us to the cleaners.

[PawDawg]

Need 2 million over 4 years to buy him out. His agent took us to the cleaners.

...not sure what our people were thinking.

[SlimJimWillie]

...not sure what our people were thinking.

They weren't thinking.. That's the problem!

[upsetpuppydog]

...not sure what our people were thinking.

I hope Lou mentions us on ESPN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dawgpix]

I hope Lou mentions us on ESPN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't think I want Lou repeating BB&B comments. . . even though I know you don't speak for BB&B.