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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by cscollis View Post
    Glad little puppet Marco is done and took the gang of 8 bill with him. The establishment was the second biggest loser last night behind Marco. I must say I am in a great mood today. Marco is a good guy but needs to be his own man instead of relying on Frank Lutz and the establishment. He also needs to honor his campaign promises which he broke with the gang of 8.

    I wish him well and hope he finds a job in the private sector so he sees the effects of the laws he passed or wants to pass.
    Wait until you see what Hillary will do for you. She's who Trump is ushering in. Enjoy!
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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    Wait until you see what Hillary will do for you. She's who Trump is ushering in. Enjoy!
    Still trying to find the overwhelming demographic it will take to put her in. Blacks will not turn out at 90% like they have in the two elections. Young people will not turn out in record numbers for Clinton like they did for Obama.

    The precinct numbers don't back up the poll numbers. Polls can't be trusted.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Johnny, do you want to bet 100 usd. I am willing to put my money on Trump and that he will actually win the general election. Hillary is getting almost all her delegates in states she won't win. Unless you see Hillary winning the south, she is a terrible candidate. Trump will win states that no other repub could dream of.

    I was going to say Woof could hold the money but with his liberal leanings, he would think he is owed a third for just breathing.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by maddawg View Post
    Still trying to find the overwhelming demographic it will take to put her in. Blacks will not turn out at 90% like they have in the two elections. Young people will not turn out in record numbers for Clinton like they did for Obama.

    The precinct numbers don't back up the poll numbers. Polls can't be trusted.
    This will be offset by a HUGE number of conservatives that say they won't vote for Trump for ANY reason.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by maddawg View Post
    Still trying to find the overwhelming demographic it will take to put her in. Blacks will not turn out at 90% like they have in the two elections. Young people will not turn out in record numbers for Clinton like they did for Obama.

    The precinct numbers don't back up the poll numbers. Polls can't be trusted.
    It'll be a combo. Convictional conservatives won't vote for Trump because what they find distasteful in HRC is present (in spades) in Trump. Then, the DNC will spend 200 million raking Trump over the coals (like the GOP should've done starting last August). They'll paint him as a racist and HRC will have FAR greater African American turnout than she would've had with any other opponent.

    Trump is barely getting 1/3 of the GOP votes. He'll get crushed in the general.
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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by cscollis View Post
    Johnny, do you want to bet 100 usd. I am willing to put my money on Trump and that he will actually win the general election. Hillary is getting almost all her delegates in states she won't win. Unless you see Hillary winning the south, she is a terrible candidate. Trump will win states that no other repub could dream of.

    I was going to say Woof could hold the money but with his liberal leanings, he would think he is owed a third for just breathing.
    Trump won't be the nominee, but if he is, let's talk then.
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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Woof! View Post
    This will be offset by a HUGE number of conservatives that say they won't vote for Trump for ANY reason.
    Your wishful opinion. Some will not, but HUGE is an exaggeration.

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    It'll be a combo. Convictional conservatives won't vote for Trump because what they find distasteful in HRC is present (in spades) in Trump. Then, the DNC will spend 200 million raking Trump over the coals (like the GOP should've done starting last August). They'll paint him as a racist and HRC will have FAR greater African American turnout than she would've had with any other opponent.

    Trump is barely getting 1/3 of the GOP votes. He'll get crushed in the general.
    The race card has been over played. I don't see it working to motivate minority voters to the polls. They are motivated by other things, not emotion.

    A high percentage of Rubio supporters may not vote Trump., but I believe 90% of Cruz supporters will vote Trump.

    You and the pollsters are ignoring the "likability" of Clinton. Nothing about her is appealing.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by maddawg View Post
    Your wishful opinion. Some will not, but HUGE is an exaggeration.



    The race card has been over played. I don't see it working to motivate minority voters to the polls. They are motivated by other things, not emotion.

    A high percentage of Rubio supporters may not vote Trump., but I believe 90% of Cruz supporters will vote Trump.

    You and the pollsters are ignoring the "likability" of Clinton. Nothing about her is appealing.
    Clinton's machine has been doing just fine turning out the demographics she needs. That will be ratcheted up in the general. She's not spending her money now because she doesn't have to. There will be LOTS and LOTS of money spent to defeat Trump.

    His unfavorables are higher than Hillary's. My sample size is small, but I know quite a few Cruz folks who won't vote for Trump. They won't vote for Hillary, but they'll gladly stay home.
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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    Clinton's machine has been doing just fine turning out the demographics she needs. That will be ratcheted up in the general. She's not spending her money now because she doesn't have to. There will be LOTS and LOTS of money spent to defeat Trump.

    His unfavorables are higher than Hillary's. My sample size is small, but I know quite a few Cruz folks who won't vote for Trump. They won't vote for Hillary, but they'll gladly stay home.
    It will not surprise me if the Rep. like Romney will either stay home or vote for Hillary.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Cal&Ken View Post
    It will not surprise me if the Rep. like Romney will either stay home or vote for Hillary.
    I agree, but Obama barely won with an all out black vote, high democrat turnout and extremely low republican turnout. The turnout will not be low for Trump. Certainly not as low as the polls indicate since they don't factor in the extreme dislike and fear conservatives have for Hillary.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by maddawg View Post
    I agree, but Obama barely won with an all out black vote, high democrat turnout and extremely low republican turnout. The turnout will not be low for Trump. Certainly not as low as the polls indicate since they don't factor in the extreme dislike and fear conservatives have for Hillary.
    I think you're discounting Trump's negatives.
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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by maddawg View Post
    I agree, but Obama barely won with an all out black vote, high democrat turnout and extremely low republican turnout. The turnout will not be low for Trump. Certainly not as low as the polls indicate since they don't factor in the extreme dislike and fear conservatives have for Hillary.
    I don't know. If Trump loses, it will be because Rep. idiots voted for Hillary. There are no real winners in this election. I don't think you will have a high turnout for either side.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    [QUOTE=Cal&Ken;1580071]I don't know. If Trump loses, it will be because Rep. idiots voted for Hillary. There are no real winners in this election. I don't think you will have a high turnout for either side.[/QUOTE]

    So far, the shear number of Republican voters has been running way ahead of Democrat voters. Last presidential election the Republicans didn't like their choices, weren't engaged, didn't turn out and Romney lost. Right now there's a good case to be made that the Democrats are facing that very thing. I think the Republicans will hold their noses and turn out to vote for whomever wins the nomination. They've had enough of Democrats in the White House.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Kasich would make a decent VP choice for either Trump or Cruz. But he's not going to be elected President in 2016.

    While I have no doubt he wants to be President and that he went into this looking win. But I wonder if angling for the VP job wasn't also part of his strategy. It's hard to be a VP and then become President, but for a guy like him and with his personality, it might be the way to do it.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    So they are talking about Paul Ryan being the nominee now (if Trump doesn't get to 1237). Would Republicans revolt and just not vote? I could vote for Ryan, but not Trump. But I don't agree with the process.

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