Big 12 to explore expanding by as many as four schools

[HogDawg]

The Mormon church gave up polygamy when that practice became a political hot potato, so to say that Mormons don't waiver in their tenets is total BS. They'll also find a way to justify playing ball on Sunday's if that's what it takes to get their program into a P5 conference. Don't kid yourself, the Mormons are just as greedy as every other religion, and none of them let anything come between themselves and money.

Saw a big UT grad and long time friend of mine last week. He says Houston and BYU are the unquestioned leaders to be added to the Big XII. He says Texas will vote for BYU, and if BYU doesn't get in, he believes it will be a terrible miss for the Big XII.

[HogDawg]

Why did the PAC 12 take Utah over BYU.

Most of the PAC 12 schools hate any form of Christianity or religion, including Mormonism. The PAC 12 consists of mostly atheist schools from Berkeley, Los Angeles, the Silicon Valley, and the ultra liberal states of Washington, Oregon and Colorado. That's a tough crowd for any religious based school to win over.

[Woof!]

The PAC 12 consists of mostly atheist schools from Berkeley, Los Angeles, the Silicon Valley, and the ultra liberal states of Washington, Oregon and Colorado.

I wouldn't categorize Colorado as being an ultra liberal state. Colorado voted Republican in 7 of the last 10 presidential elections. Most of Colorado's U.S. Representatives are Republican. Colorado has one Republican U.S. Senator and one Democrat U.S. senator. The second largest city in Colorado, Colorado Springs, is on almost everyone's list as being one of most conservative cities in America.

[DONW]

Most of the PAC 12 schools hate any form of Christianity or religion, including Mormonism. The PAC 12 consists of mostly atheist schools from Berkeley, Los Angeles, the Silicon Valley, and the ultra liberal states of Washington, Oregon and Colorado. That's a tough crowd for any religious based school to win over.

I didn't realize that Utah had dominated BYU so much until I looked up the records. Utah leads 55-31. The BYU-Utah State series has been much closer than I thought it was. BYu leads 47-35. BYU's national championship in 1984 was probably the easiest road any team has ever had to a national championship. The WAC was really weak after Arizona and Arizona State left. Byu had to beat a 6-5 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl to be declared national champions. That was a really average Michigan team and BYU barely beat them. Sometimes perception does not match up to reality.

[DONW]

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[TYLERTECHSAS]

The second largest city in Colorado, Colorado Springs, is on almost everyone's list as being one of most conservative cities in America.

That's because so many families from our great military retire in C.Springs, the USAFA is located there and so many Christian organizations and authors are there as well. Awesome area!

[HogDawg]

I wouldn't categorize Colorado as being an ultra liberal state. Colorado voted Republican in 7 of the last 10 presidential elections. Most of Colorado's U.S. Representatives are Republican. Colorado has one Republican U.S. Senator and one Democrat U.S. senator. The second largest city in Colorado, Colorado Springs, is on almost everyone's list as being one of most conservative cities in America.

You gotta be kidding? Are you living in a cocoon? Colorado is a very liberal state. Drugs are everywhere. Colorado is the first state in the union to legalize recreational marijuana. I've owned property there for almost 10 years, and it's only gotten worse.

Part of Colorado’s story of change comes from the statehouse where Democrats control both the governor’s office and both chambers of the Legislature.

http://www.salon.com/2013/03/20/how_...state_liberal/

[parialex]

I didn't realize that Utah had dominated BYU so much until I looked up the records. Utah leads 55-31. The BYU-Utah State series has been much closer than I thought it was. BYu leads 47-35. BYU's national championship in 1984 was probably the easiest road any team has ever had to a national championship. The WAC was really weak after Arizona and Arizona State left. Byu had to beat a 6-5 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl to be declared national champions. That was a really average Michigan team and BYU barely beat them. Sometimes perception does not match up to reality.

Utah racked up a 39-12 record against BYU from 1922 to 1980. BYU has a winning record since then, though Utah has the winning record if you skip the 80's.

Since 1980, BYU's record against Utah State is 26-4.

None of this is especially matters, though. The Pac-12 was never going to take BYU, and the Big 12 has always been more interested in BYU (going back to the 90's).

[Woof!]

Colorado is a very liberal state.

No, it is not a very liberal state. In terms of politics, Colorado is most often described as a "purple" state, "toss up" state, or "leaning Democrat" at best and not a ultra liberal state as you suggest. Colorado voted Republican in 7 out 10 of the last presidential elections - same as Louisiana. Also, there are more voters in the state of Colorado registered as Republican than Democrat.

The article below shows that Colorado is not even in the top 10 of states identifying as liberal - a far cry from your definition as Colorado being "ultra liberal" state.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/181505/mi...ve-states.aspx

Now, the GOP's policies and attitudes are starting to change Colorado, but that's a whole different story.

[DONW]

Utah racked up a 39-12 record against BYU from 1922 to 1980. BYU has a winning record since then, though Utah has the winning record if you skip the 80's.

Since 1980, BYU's record against Utah State is 26-4.

None of this is especially matters, though. The Pac-12 was never going to take BYU, and the Big 12 has always been more interested in BYU (going back to the 90's).

I think you just gave up your identity, only a huge BYU fan would know those kind of stats. Are you on this board because you think Tech is their competition?

[dawg1984]

I don't hate mormons. 90% of todays' mormons are mormons because they were raised mormons. I would like to see all mormons leave the church because they would be better off without it. Here's a study that shows there are 36% of those that are raised mormon that are now leaving the church. http://religionnews.com/2015/09/16/m...ially-in-utah/. Do you know anything about the Mountain Meadows Massacre. These were settlers that were on their way from north Arkansas to California and they were ambushed by a group of mormons led by Brigham Young's son-in-law. The mormons pinned them down and killed several of them and then the mormons told them they would let them go through if they would surrender and hand in their guns. Then when they surrendered the mormons shot everyone of them even including the kids that were over 7 years old. 120 people were killed. The only reason they did this was to take their cows and their wagons. Brigham Young was even seen riding in one of the wagons after the massacre. If Brigham Young raped 55 women today, he would be sentenced to life in prison without parole and if Utah had been a state then he would have been hanged for the mountain meadows massacre..

Joseph Smith told the women that he married that if they didn't marry him they would go to hell along with the other members of their family. Of course, if they married him they would all go to heaven. Thank God somebody shot that bastard when he was trying to escape from jail. Too bad Brigham Young wasn't with him.

Mormonism is not a religion and is certainly not christianity, it is a cult. It was not started by good people. It's really sad that people join an organization like this. It was started by 2 thugs that wanted to mistreat women and be famous for having their own religion. Sidney Rigdon, a relative of Joseph Smith's, stole Solomon Spalding's manuscript of a fictional novel, from a print shop in Pittsburg and this is where the Book of Mormon came from. There are lots of sources for this information and since mormonism is only 180 years old, it's very reliable. And just about all of it was told by mormons or ex-mormons.

Are you one of those good mormons that wears his mormon underwear every day so the booger bears don't get you? Folks, this is not a joke they really have special underwear they wear.

Well there you have it. Brigham Young was like Hilary. There's no proof he had anything to do with the massacre. The son-in-law led the massacre. Brigham Young's riding in the wagon had to be because he just happened to be in the area and was offered a ride.

[OLDBLUE]

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"If Brigham Young raped 55 women today, he would be sentenced to life in prison without parole and if Utah had been a state then he would have been hanged for the mountain meadows massacre.."
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Unless he was a registered Dem running for President????? (political TWSS)

[DONW]

Well there you have it. Brigham Young was like Hilary. There's no proof he had anything to do with the massacre. The son-in-law led the massacre. Brigham Young's riding in the wagon had to be because he just happened to be in the area and was offered a ride.

And, There was nothing about the massacre in their emails. Bill is the reincarnation of Young.

[parialex]

I think you just gave up your identity, only a huge BYU fan would know those kind of stats. Are you on this board because you think Tech is their competition?

Alternately, I was curious and looked it up.

I am a non-Bulldog guest here, and I'm a Cougar, but not a BYU Cougar.

[WWDog]

Alternately, I was curious and looked it up.

I am a non-Bulldog guest here, and I'm a Cougar, but not a BYU Cougar.

Anyone who has been on this board for a while and paid attention would know that parialax is a Houston Cougar.