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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    "restrained" intervention? We have that now. What!!?? Yes, we do. The US isn't involved in every conflict, every "wrong" happening the world. We never have been, and never will be. So, we do "pick and choose" where to intervene. So, if a Libertarian was president, I am to understand he/she would "pick and choose" where to intervene, just based on a different set of criteria, I suppose. Unfortunately, for the Lib. Party, those who have had the bully pulpit on behalf of the party have articulated an "isolationist" agenda.

    For the record, I am a hawk. (betcha never would have guessed that). I think God has blessed the world by allowing the USA to be created and we have a responsibility to protect those who cannot protect themselves against evil. The evil of socialism/communism/moooslimism.

    Here's a simplistic example:

    You are a young, strapping male, fit, strong....and you see some punks picking on a little old lady. They are harassing her, pushing on her, grabbing at her purse. You witness this.

    Libertarian: Yeah, I COULD intervene, but that is none of my business. What right do I have to interject my strength/power and act as the "police" in this case? I can't be responsible for every little old lady who might be attacked by punks. I'll just walk away.

    American: Hey, you assholes, keep your hands off that lady or I'll beat the shit outta you!!! (then do it, if they don't back down)

    Simplistic? Maybe. But illustrative. Since the USA does have the power to intervene, we have a moral obligation to do so. No, I don't like to put our military personnel in harm's way, and if I were POTUS I would not act rashly. But, when there is a clear danger, when innocent people are threatened...but we don't???

    Would you feel good about yourself if that little old lady was injured so badly she ended up in the hospital, or worse? Would you look at yourself in the mirror and convince yourself, I did the right think by not intervening?

    Do you feel comfortable knowing there are people murdered and oppressed by evil regimes, around the world, and we could have prevented it?

    If so, what would have happened in the late 1930's had we had a true Libertarian POTUS? There was an opportunity to settle a deal with the Japs, especially as it pertained to oil fields and other economic resources, and probably avoided war with Japan. FDR refused to give in to their demands, and the Japs felt they had no choice but to go to war with us. Likewise, we could have stayed out of the whole European mess and allowed them to sort it out. FDR started the "lend-lease" program with Britain to provide much-needed destroyers to protect their convoys. And the US supplied the Soviets after Hitler invaded Russia.

    What would the world look like today had the US pursued a Libertarian agenda and just stayed out of WWII?

    Of course....we couldn't have stayed out of it completely. Eventually the Japs and Nazis would have shown up on our doorstep....

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    You can't get any more accurate than this!
    This is straightforward country thinking.


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    If a Republican is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.








    If a Democrat is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

















    If a Republican is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.








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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    If so, what would have happened in the late 1930's had we had a true Libertarian POTUS?
    The same thing would have happened. War is declared by congress, a libertarian POTUS couldn't have changed the vote. Unfortunately presidents and the executive branch have more power nowadays over that matter.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgonit View Post
    The same thing would have happened. War is declared by congress, a libertarian POTUS couldn't have changed the vote. Unfortunately presidents and the executive branch have more power nowadays over that matter.
    I like libertarians but I feel a Constitutionalist party leadership is what we need right now to stabilize things.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgonit View Post
    The same thing would have happened. War is declared by congress, a libertarian POTUS couldn't have changed the vote. Unfortunately presidents and the executive branch have more power nowadays over that matter.
    I think the POTUS has to ask Congress to declare war. He is the Commander-in-Chief, after all. But, I'm not sure of that.

    And, that's not the point. You are talking about after Pearl Harbor. My point is would a Libertarian Prez have appeased the Japs, gave into their demands? And would a Lib. Prez have not gotten involved in the war in Europe, telling the Brits, sorry lads, you'll have to go it on your own?

    That is not what FDR did. He told the Japs to go eff themselves on all those demands, and that provoked the Nips to attack us. And FDR was already battling a more isolationist Congress in his policies of lend-lease and aid for Britain. So, again, would the US have given in to Japan and would the US have stayed out of the war in Europe, which had been going on since 1939, if a Libertarian been POTUS?

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    If Trump quits, what happens to the votes that have already been cast?

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JuBru View Post
    If Trump quits, what happens to the votes that have already been cast?
    If he quits he has to give Hillary back all that money.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Trump is not quitting.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Cal&Ken View Post
    Trump is not quitting.
    Yep. If he quit now, HRC might lose. He's got to finish the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    Yep. If he quit now, HRC might lose. He's got to finish the job.
    Based on this asinine theory McCain and Romney were paid off by obummer. Those were two of the worst campaigns ever run. Obviously they were paid flunkies just to get obummer elected/re-elected.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    Yep. If he quit now, HRC might lose. He's got to finish the job.
    If he quit, people would simply not vote. The people that support Trump will still support Trump because they will not vote for Hillary.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Many of you may be familiar with the theologian James White (if you're not, get familiar). He posted this earlier which should be the last word on the subject:

    1. Trump is a coddled, rich, pampered, arrogant, self-absorbed, egotistical shallow-thinking unregenerate man; his many divorces should have told anyone with the slightest bit of common sense that he has no respect for honesty, integrity, covenant keeping, or women as a whole; his proudly boasting of seducing married women should have told the same people that he is utterly untrustworthy, period. The video/audio is nothing new, it just makes any person with a conscience wince to hear the arrogance and immaturity of a man of DJT’s age. But there is no reason to be shocked or surprised. I bet there are dozens of folks out there with similar recordings or at least experiences with him. Hundreds.

    2. There were candidates who, while likewise unregenerate, were morally and ethically light years beyond DJT. They were ignored. And at least one candidate that made, and makes, a quite credible profession of faith in Christ, likewise without the mountain-sized pile of moral and ethical garbage. Not chosen by an electorate who quite clearly cares about issues other than character.


    3. Neither candidate is qualified by character to hold ANY public office, period. That the nation is faced with these two candidates is, as most of us have realized by now, judgment, plain and simple. Both will fundamentally alter, forever, a system that is already broken, in my opinion, beyond repair—and that due to the fact that it was designed to govern a people who held in common a set of values based upon mankind being the creature of God, sinful and fallen, and hence based upon inalienable God-given rights, as well as the need to decentralize power due to man’s evil. Since that worldview has been overthrown, the system which worked so well to govern is now powerless, and into that vacuum a system of totalitarian socialism is moving and, as is the want of vacuums, quickly.


    4. The moral authority of the so-called “evangelical church” in the United States is a joke. Between the soul-rotting decay of the Word-faith movement and the money-grubbing televangelists, and the sell-out “conservative” leaders who jumped on the Trump wagon early on, the world is snorting in its coffee when anyone speaks to the issue of “moral corruption” by those in political office. The very ones who once berated Bill Clinton for turning the White House into a brothel (on a level that few today even realize—the debauchery was incredible) eviscerated their credibility by ignoring the fact that at least Clinton tried to hide his exploits: Trump brags about them. Combine this with the fact that for far, far too many their “unyielding stand” on issues like homosexuality or marriage are based upon prejudices and tradition rather than a thought out theology that flows from a properly prioritized theological system, and you can see why our words carry no weight.


    5. Hillary Clinton is evil. Yes, I used the “e” word. Might as well do so why I still can. You won’t be able to in the not too distant future (hate speech, you know). She is evil on every level you can be evil. Worldview evil, the zombie slave of the Culture of Death, bought and paid for by Planned Infanticide. She stands for everything that is immoral and ungodly and destructive. And I haven’t even gotten to the fact that she is the most corrupt politician possibly in the history of the nation. But she will be elected President of the United States. Jezebel will rule.


    6. Stop fantasizing about the SCOTUS. One word: Obergefell, and that WITH Scalia. That ship has sailed, it is over the horizon. See point 3. Further, the doe-eyed optimism of my fellow Christians that a man like DJT, who has no earthly concept of what “trustworthiness” means, and has lived his life violating covenants and promises (ask his wives and the married women he seduced, proudly), would actually go to the mat to push through even semi-meaningful judicial nominees is further evidence that bearing the name “Christian” does not necessarily endow you with common sense.


    7. Stop comparing DJT to David. David was REPENTANT. Trump is PROUD. These are NOT synonyms. And if you think the pathetic statements made by Trump are acts of repentance, LOOK UP THE WORD sometime.


    8. Finally, stop saying that those of us who will not prostitute ourselves at the altar of political expediency are demanding moral perfection on the part of candidates, and, of course, “none have ever been perfect.” I am a sinner—but unlike Trump, I do not take pride in my sin, promote my sin, or excuse it as mere “locker room talk” or the like. I hate it, detest it, and flee from it. The moral and ethical black holes represented by Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump differ in nature and extent from any candidates we have ever seen in the history of this nation, and the fact that we are stuck with them at this very time of national decline on so many fronts speaks loudly…to those with ears to hear.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Cal&Ken View Post
    The people that support Trump will still support Trump because they will not vote for Hillary.
    Trump and his campaign staff totally disregard the independent and undecided voters.

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    Re: 2016 Presidential Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    Based on this asinine theory McCain and Romney were paid off by obummer. Those were two of the worst campaigns ever run. Obviously they were paid flunkies just to get obummer elected/re-elected.
    Did Michelle nudge McCain and Romney to run? Did Obama own the MSM the way Clinton does? Did this ownership lead to collusion to get Romney/McCain the nomination? No.

    Neither have blunders coming close to Trump. NOBODY runs a campaign as poorly as Trump has unless they're doing it on purpose.

    But hey, he incoherently tells it like it is, so all is forgotten.

    This thing has been sealed since he was handed the nomination.

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