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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Which means that trump never indicated a true willingness to support a clean DACA bill - except for the moment he mistakenly said he did (not knowing what a “clean bill” really meant) and was immediately corrected by the Republican near him - and instead only ever agreed to support DACA tied to increased border security.

    But Trump claims to support the cause of the Dreamers. If so, a clean DACA bill would be simple. But, no, Trump is okay using the Dreamers as pawns to deliver on his big election promise.
    The dreamer issue should never happen again. I understand that dems are not great at problem solving (they destroyed the health care system to take care of the 15% that did not have insurance instead of just fixing the 15%), but I have a hard time believing they do not see the stupidity of their position here.

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    Re: Immigration

    It's the 'craps trying to use the dreamers as pawns.

    And again, a "clean" bill does not have to be limited to a single issue. Well, perhaps in the case of limited-intelligent libtards, they can only handle ONE issue at a time. The "clean" bill Trump was referring to, and he never waivered from it, was VERY clearly: 1) give me the wall, and 2) compose legislation to deal with the dreamers. Even then, Trump has made it clear it will still depend on the language of DACA portion of the bill, whether he will sign it. But he has implied he's fairly flexible on the details, so chances are, given the wall, he will sign the bill designed to protect the dreamers.

    Sorry, goosey, if juggling a two-part issue is too complicated for you. But, we have adults in charge of the federal guvmint now, and they don't have time to explain to people like you 'why the sky is blue.'

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    Re: Immigration

    About to see this type of story play out all across the country under Trump.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...-of-the-union/

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    About to see this type of story play out all across the country under Trump.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...-of-the-union/
    I hope Durbin is proud of himself when it happens.

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow View Post
    I hope Durbin is proud of himself when it happens.
    Helping these people out should be a simple bipartisan issue. All the conditions Trump wants to put on it is what makes it “political”.

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Helping these people out should be a simple bipartisan issue. All the conditions Trump wants to put on it is what makes it “political”.
    No, it makes it good for America. We are not running a charitable organization here. We are very generous and charitable, but that is not our main goal. Read the Constitution.

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow View Post
    No, it makes it good for America. We are not running a charitable organization here. We are very generous and charitable, but that is not our main goal. Read the Constitution.
    A person of good moral fiber would not support eviction of these people that were brought here of no fault of their own, have lived here and know this place as their home, have clean criminal records and went to school and have a job and pay taxes. Imagine if someone came and told you at this point in your life that you had to leave because of something that happened to you when you were a child. Just stop and imagine that for a second.

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    Re: Immigration

    Doing that to someone is NEVER good for America.

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    A person of good moral fiber would not support eviction of these people that were brought here of no fault of their own, have lived here and know this place as their home, have clean criminal records and went to school and have a job and pay taxes. Imagine if someone came and told you at this point in your life that you had to leave because of something that happened to you when you were a child. Just stop and imagine that for a second.
    And a person with a heart would also want to avoid this from happening in the future and do everything they could to stop it. You can only watch so many animals being put down before your focus turns to fixing living ones so you don't have to keep killing them.

    To do one without the other is just stupid. Or political (maybe they see more and more votes there, and this is alll demagoguery....it is).

    And once again, you have dispensed with your ability to think this through to dance with the tribe.

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    A person of good moral fiber would not support eviction of these people that were brought here of no fault of their own, have lived here and know this place as their home, have clean criminal records and went to school and have a job and pay taxes. Imagine if someone came and told you at this point in your life that you had to leave because of something that happened to you when you were a child. Just stop and imagine that for a second.
    Then why did Dems. FDR (Asians) , Jimmy Carter (Muslims) and others do the same?

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow View Post
    No, it makes it good for America. We are not running a charitable organization here. We are very generous and charitable, but that is not our main goal.
    Then consider it as enlightened self-interest.

    I'd submit that it's good for society generally (and by extension, myself and my family) to accommodate Dreamers.

    Boom, not a charity. Problem solved.

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Doing that to someone is NEVER good for America.
    Then why did Dems. FDR (Asians) , Jimmy Carter (Muslims) and others do the same
    at critical and dangerous junctures in our countries history?

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Champ967 View Post
    Then consider it as enlightened self-interest.

    I'd submit that it's good for society generally (and by extension, myself and my family) to accommodate Dreamers.

    Boom, not a charity. Problem solved.
    Yep. Let's throw some border security in there and fix some of the other issues like chain migration and give them a path to citizenship. If they really CARE they need to be willing to do this.

    Unless of course you support the guy that stabbed the person in the neck 7 times or the guy that shot that girl on the pier. See, compassion would make you want to protect them too. Gotta secure the border.

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    Then why did Dems. FDR (Asians) , Jimmy Carter (Muslims) and others do the same?
    Why are you making this issue which should be non-political issue into a political one?

    Are you saying that FDT and Jimmy Carter were right since what they did is somewhat similar to what Trump is doing?

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Why are you making this issue which should be non-political issue into a political one?

    Are you saying that FDT and Jimmy Carter were right since what they did is somewhat similar to what Trump is doing?

    LOL.

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