Immigration

[Champ967]

Yep. Let's throw some border security in there and fix some of the other issues like chain migration and give them a path to citizenship. If they really CARE they need to be willing to do this.

Unless of course you support the guy that stabbed the person in the neck 7 times or the guy that shot that girl on the pier. See, compassion would make you want to protect them too. Gotta secure the border.

You moved the cheese.

[Guisslapp]

And a person with a heart would also want to avoid this from happening in the future and do everything they could to stop it. You can only watch so many animals being put down before your focus turns to fixing living ones so you don't have to keep killing them.

To do one without the other is just stupid. Or political (maybe they see more and more votes there, and this is alll demagoguery....it is).

And once again, you have dispensed with your ability to think this through to dance with the tribe.

Since everyone with a heart agrees the Dreamers should be allowed to stay, why not go ahead and fix that before any more people needlessly have to suffer? Then move on to comprehensive immigration reform.

Something people agree on is not a real bargaining chip. A negotiation requires both parties to give and take. If there is agreement that the Dreamers should stay, they shouldn’t be used as leverage....unless Trump is lying and doesn’t actually care about them.

[Champ967]

No, it makes it good for America. We are not running a charitable organization here. We are very generous and charitable, but that is not our main goal. Read the Constitution.

I think the US govt should stop providing free-to-use, unlimited automobile infrastructure to automobile owners.

This aint some charity.

[DawgyNWindow]

You moved the cheese.

All the same issue.

During WW2 we could have stopped the death of ALL American soldiers by just throwing our weapons in the sea and coming home. Wouldn't that have been nice? How compassionate we would have been! No more chaplains visiting families to inform them of the death of their loved ones. Certainly you would have been for that, right?

What would the world look like today?

[DawgyNWindow]

I think the US govt should stop providing free-to-use, unlimited automobile infrastructure to automobile owners.

This aint some charity.

Hmmmm. Last time I looked my taxes were still being paid. Free to use my *&^!

[Guisslapp]

All the same issue.

During WW2 we could have stopped the death of ALL American soldiers by just throwing our weapons in the sea and coming home. Wouldn't that have been nice? How compassionate we would have been! No more chaplains visiting families to inform them of the death of their loved ones. Certainly you would have been for that, right?

What would the world look like today?

Like the world Trump wants to bring to be, it would seem.

[DawgyNWindow]

Since everyone with a heart agrees the Dreamers should be allowed to stay, why not go ahead and fix that before any more people needlessly have to suffer? Then move on to comprehensive immigration reform.

Something people agree on is not a real bargaining chip. A negotiation requires both parties to give and take. If there is agreement that the Dreamers should stay, they shouldn’t be used as leverage....unless Trump is lying and doesn’t actually care about them.

OK, have it your way. Deport them all.

[Guisslapp]

Hmmmm. Last time I looked my taxes were still being paid. Free to use my *&^!

Dreamers are paying their taxes. What if you were told something happened in your childhood and because of that you had to leave now? Does that work for you?

[DawgyNWindow]

I hear there is a children's health insurance provision in the CR. I guess dems just don't care about American children!

[DawgyNWindow]

Dreamers are paying their taxes. What if you were told something happened in your childhood and because of that you had to leave now? Does that work for you?

Good for them. Secure the border and let them stay.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

Dreamers are paying their taxes.

BS. No they aren't paying all of their taxes. Most take pay for services in cash and it goes unreported.

[Champ967]

All the same issue.

No, sillyhead. The issue I was addressing was whether accommodating Dreamers represents a charitable action.

I maintain it's no more a charity than providing automobile infrastructure. Just because some may benefit from a thing more directly than others does not a charity make.

[DawgyNWindow]

Why are dems using the health care of American children as a pawn in immigration legislation? Do they want American children to die?

[Champ967]

BS. No they aren't paying all of their taxes. Most take pay for services in cash and it goes unreported.

Any conservatives caught paying Dreamers in cash should be deported.

Naked.

[DawgyNWindow]

No, sillyhead. The issue I was addressing was whether accommodating Dreamers represents a charitable action.

I maintain it's no more a charity than providing automobile infrastructure. Just because some may benefit from a thing more directly than others does not a charity make.

Charity is the voluntary giving of help. Turning our heads to ignore our immigration laws and give preferred treatment is rather charitable.

The choices here are not either giving in and totally ignoring our laws and allowing this to happen again and again OR deporting them all. There is a middle ground.