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    Re: The Violent Left

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    What about the previous Democrat presidents?

    “Punch” is violent. Use of the political process to obstruct or marching on the street is not. One involves trying to physically injure someone you disagree with. Does that distinction make sense?
    So is it only the one time with Trump? I don't follow everything he says, but that's the only time I'm aware of that he said something about punching someone.

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    Re: The Violent Left

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    What about the previous Democrat presidents?

    “Punch” is violent. Use of the political process to obstruct or marching on the street is not. One involves trying to physically injure someone you disagree with. Does that distinction make sense?
    How about Bill Clinton saying he wanted to punch a reporter in the nose if he wasn't president? Is that a two pointer because it's an attack on the press too?

    Edit: Maybe that was too long ago.

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    Re: The Violent Left

    Quote Originally Posted by detltu View Post
    So is it only the one time with Trump? I don't follow everything he says, but that's the only time I'm aware of that he said something about punching someone.
    And “roughing up” and all the other comments from my post I bumped in this thread earlier today. The context of those statements all dealt with doing physical harm to someone he disagree with.

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    Re: The Violent Left

    Quote Originally Posted by detltu View Post
    How about Bill Clinton saying he wanted to punch a reporter in the nose if he wasn't president? Is that a two pointer because it's an attack on the press too?

    Edit: Maybe that was too long ago.
    I suppose something like that would count.

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    Re: The Violent Left

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    I suppose something like that would count.
    Here you go if you are interested.
    This is from the New York Times way back in 1996:

    The chief White House spokesman told reporters today that President Clinton would like to punch the New York Times columnist William Safire in the nose because of a column on Monday in which Mr. Safire wrote that the President's wife, Hillary, had shown herself to be "a congenital liar."
    Michael D. McCurry, the spokesman, called the column "an outrageous personal attack that has no basis in fact."
    The President, if he were not the President, would have delivered a more forceful response to that on the bridge of Mr. Safire's nose," Mr. McCurry said, adding that inasmuch as Mr. Clinton is in fact President, he "knows he can't possibly do such a thing."

    Meeting with reporters later in the day about the Federal budget negotiations, Mr. Clinton himself was asked about Mr. McCurry's account of a desire to slug Mr. Safire. The President replied with a smile, "If I were an ordinary citizen, I might give that article the response that it deserves."
    Mr. Clinton said he kept on his wall a copy of a letter, now half a century old, in which President Harry S. Truman threatened to assault a music critic who had written a scathing review of the singing skills of Mr. Truman's daughter, Margaret. "Presidents have feelings too," Mr. Clinton said.
    In his column on Monday, Mr. Safire wrote that many Americans were coming to the "sad realization that our First Lady -- a woman of undoubted talents who was a role model for many in her generation -- is a congenital liar."
    Mr. Clinton's response to the column, as conveyed by Mr. McCurry, is reminiscent of his reaction when, at a debate among Democratic Presidential candidates in March 1992, former Gov. Edmund G. Brown Jr. of California declared that Mr. Clinton, as Governor of Arkansas, had been "funneling money" to Mrs. Clinton's law firm. "It's not only corruption," Mr. Brown said, but incompatible with the standards required of a President.

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    Re: The Violent Left

    Yeah, I am not sure if that one counts. It is certainly a world apart from the style and context at which Trump routinely makes such suggestions at his rallies.

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    Re: The Violent Left

    Anyone care to guess why the bomber is most likely an avid Hannity viewer?

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    Re: The Violent Left

    Just so we can establish a baseline.....

    Did it count when a left wing nut shot Steve Scalise and they protection detail? Not threatened, not, “mommy they hurt my feeings when they said that.”, not, “man I’d love to punch this guy who keeps getting on my nerves.” Actually shot people.

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    Re: The Violent Left

    Well good news at least that most of the bombs that have been analyzed were incapable of blowing up. Either very inept or it was a scare tactic rather than an actual attempt. Hopefully they catch the nut job quickly.

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    Re: The Violent Left

    Quote Originally Posted by techman05 View Post
    Just so we can establish a baseline.....

    Did it count when a left wing nut shot Steve Scalise and they protection detail? Not threatened, not, “mommy they hurt my feeings when they said that.”, not, “man I’d love to punch this guy who keeps getting on my nerves.” Actually shot people.
    Yes.

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    Re: The Violent Left

    Quote Originally Posted by techman05 View Post
    Just so we can establish a baseline.....

    Did it count when a left wing nut shot Steve Scalise and they protection detail? Not threatened, not, “mommy they hurt my feeings when they said that.”, not, “man I’d love to punch this guy who keeps getting on my nerves.” Actually shot people.
    Clearly not. He wasn't the president and it wasn't at a rally.

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    Re: The Violent Left

    But tell me what political leader has used hot rhetoric about Scalise?

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    Re: The Violent Left

    I am not trying to diminish the responsibility of any nut job that commits an act of violence, politically motivated or not. But the type of rhetoric that Trump uses does have a powerful effect on the basal ganglia of many in Trump’s irreducible base.

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    Re: The Violent Left

    Quote Originally Posted by detltu View Post
    Well good news at least that most of the bombs that have been analyzed were incapable of blowing up. Either very inept or it was a scare tactic rather than an actual attempt. Hopefully they catch the nut job quickly.
    There is still mixed reporting on that point. An expert here and an expert there. The FBI hasn’t said.

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    Re: The Violent Left

    Quote Originally Posted by detltu View Post
    Well good news at least that most of the bombs that have been analyzed were incapable of blowing up. Either very inept or it was a scare tactic rather than an actual attempt. Hopefully they catch the nut job quickly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    There is still mixed reporting on that point. An expert here and an expert there. The FBI hasn’t said.
    So Guisslapp would rather there still be a chance they could have blown up killing people? Or maybe hoping they will in the future?

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