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Anyone with half a brain can see that this entire ruse was fabricated by the deep state leftists to try to stave off a midterm election disaster. Those bumper stickers plastered all over the guys van look like they've been there for about a week at the longest. This idiot was used and played like a fiddle by a desperate Democrat establishment.Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Another nothing burger from you.
Do you mean conspiracy theories like Obama being friends with Bill
Ayers and Rev. Wright?
If this dude is a plant, they have been playing the long game. He's a certified nut job from way back. He's also well established as a Trump fan. There are right wing nutjobs too. Unfortunately nobody has a monopoly on crazy.
Simple thoughts are better than those that are hijacked by paranoia and conspiracy theories.
Past several posts kind of prove this one. Thanks Dawg80 and brtransplant for not letting me down.
Neither side has a monopoly on crazy but over the last 8+ years the right has had a near monopoly on political violence according to the stats.
The narrative that the right has produced lately (and is exemplified by Ray starting this thread) is part of a pernicious double speak strategy that has been used by every authoritarian movement in history. This is just history repeating itself. Is society smart enough to learn from the past? We will see.
It's certainly possible. This could very well be a blind spot for me, but I don't see the "near monopoly" playing out day to day. I've seen stats, although some of them are made up of primarily incidents in foreign countries, but I can't help but question them. I don't think CNN and NBC are part of some kind of cover up of right wing violence. There seem to have been plenty of instances of left wing violence. Granted I have a bias, but it seems like just as much or more coming from the left. I don't want to play the "well if their not the president it doesn't count" game but I genuinely haven't seen the stats that back up the claim that the right has a near monopoly on violence in the US.
Looks like your instinct to blame CNN turned out wrong. The NYPD commissioner just announced that he media helped them get the word out to people that handle mail what the bombs looked like.
ADL’s research has found that from 2007 to 2016, a range of domestic extremists of all kinds were responsible for the deaths of at least 372 people across the country. Seventy-four percent of these murders came at the hands of right-wing extremists such as white supremacists, sovereign citizens and militia adherents.
2017 wasn’t any better for the right wing:
https://www.adl.org/resources/report...states-in-2017
ere are some key statistics on white nationalism since last year's rally:
Since Charlottesville, the ADL has tracked 54 public events or demonstrations by white supremacists.
White supremacists propaganda is also on the rise. In 2018 so far, the ADL has recorded more than 900 white supremacist propaganda incidents, more than in all of 2017. This includes the distribution or posting of white supremacist fliers and literature.
White supremacists have increasingly targeted schools and college campuses with propaganda. These incidents rose by 77 percent during the 2017–18 academic year—that's 292 cases, compared to a previous 165, according to ADL data.
The ADL found anti-Semitic incidents increased nearly 60 percent in 2017, the largest single-year increase on record. Most of these incidents took place in schools and on college campuses.
In 2017 and 2018 combined, there have already been 3,000 extremist or anti-Semitic incidents, including physical assaults, bomb threats, and vandalism of Jewish institutions, ABC News reports based on recent ADL findings.
The alt-right has also changed tactics since the first rally in response to attacks on their preferred Web platforms. They've embraced podcasts as a way to reach more followers and increased efforts on college campuses, where they can spread propaganda anonymously.
I wasn't blaming CNN. I've had some formal training in this area, and 20 years ago taking pictures of any "suspected device" was not standard protocol. Things may have changed in the last 20 years.
Does ADL consider antifa a hate group? SPLC does not. Where are lists of left wing groups similar to antifa?
Luckily there were only 34 last year so I appreciate that they list each incident. Some nuggets:
Greeley, Colorado, August 16, 2017. Kelly Raisley, believed to be a member or associate of the 211 Crew white supremacist gang, was arrested on first-degree murder charges for the murder of his uncle, Randy Gene Baker. Baker’s wife and sister were similarly arrested. The motive was apparently personal.
Samish Island, Washington, July 14, 2017. An alt lite conspiracy theorist and vlogger, Lane Maurice Davis, allegedly murdered his father following an argument over Davis’s beliefs.
Putnam County Georgia, June 13, 2017. Ricky Dubose, a member of the Ghostface Gangsters white supremacist prison gang, and another inmate, Donnie Russell Rowe, reportedly killed two corrections officers while trying to escape from a prison bus. They were later recaptured.
Tampa, Florida, May 19, 2017. White supremacist Devon Arthurs allegedly shot to death two of his roommates for making fun of his recent conversion to Islam. All three, and a fourth roommate, were members of Atomwaffen, a neo-Nazi group. (Guessing they counted this a right wing even though the conversion to Islam might call that into question)
Dallas, Texas, May 1, 2017. Black nationalist Derick Lamont Brown killed his godfather, with whom he shared a house, and wounded a neighbor and a paramedic before killing himself after police arrived.
Fresno, California, April 18, 2017. Kori Ali Muhammad, a black nationalist, allegedly killed a motel security guard then, several days later, embarked upon a shooting spree that killed three more people before police were able to arrest him.
North Judson, Indiana, March 3, 2017. Aryan Circle member Edward Blackburn allegedly shot and killed another man who was reportedly dating his ex-girlfriend.
Leadwood, Missouri, February 9, 2017. Frank Ancona, head of the Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, was shot to death; his wife and fellow Klan member, Malissa Ancona, and her son have been charged for the murder.
Denver, Colorado, February 1, 2017. Joshua Andrew Cummings reportedly shot and killed a transit security guard in Denver. Cummings, a convert to Islam described by people who knew him as possibly becoming radicalized, claimed after his arrest that he had pledged his allegiance to ISIS after three days of fasting behind bars but that the murder was not done on behalf of ISIS.
San Antonio, Texas, January 29, 2017. Ashton Lucas Lomas was charged with capital murder after allegedly robbing and shooting to death Martin Gonzales over an alleged dispute Gonzales had with another person. Lomas and others charged in the case appear to be members or associates of the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas.
Lafayette, Indiana, January 16, 2017. Wesley Andrew Hampton, a self-declared white supremacist, and another defendant allegedly robbed and murdered a man in a home invasion.
First of all screw all those guys, but second half of this crap is domestic dispute stuff where the perp happened to be part of a hate group. There are a few that were completely within their own group and may have had little to do with their extreme beliefs. Not that it's ok, but it doesn't really reinforce the narrative of the right being more violent in general than the left. I suspect the hate groups of the right are much more well identified than the left. I did learn about a new right wing extremist group- Alt lite. Haven't heard of that one before. This also doesn't include acts of violence that were not fatal.
It is at least limited to the US though so I give you that one.
ADL isn't exactly an unbiased source, but kudos to them for including this disclaimer:
The main limitation of cross-movement comparisons is that extremist connections to killings are easier to determine for some movements than for others. For example, white supremacists, who frequently sport many racist and white supremacist tattoos, or who may be documented as white supremacists by gang investigators or corrections officials, are often more easily identifiable. In contrast, it may be more difficult for police or media to identify, say, anti-government extremist associations that a suspect might have. This issue comes up most often with non-ideological killings rather than ideologically-motivated ones. It is fair to say that non-ideological murders committed by extremists other than white supremacists are probably underrepresented here.
There were 5 main groups identified in the study:
right wing:
White Supremacy
Anti-Government
Alt-lite
left wing:
Black Nationalism
Domestic Islamic Extremism
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