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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    Yes because only people who truly care about their children would have turned down asylum 3000 miles ago to illegally storm the US border with picture op kids in tow.
    Not to mention having them thrown over a 12 foot border wall. I heard one suffered some pretty bad facial injuries before being taken into custody (and will likely be held and then deported).

    Our welfare system and unwillingness to enforce our existing laws are an attractive nuisance for those wishing to take advantage of us.

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by inudesu View Post
    There has to be more nuance to that. Do you have a link? Because that's got to be leaving out big swathes of non-citizens to be that high (it'd make sense for a particular category like asylees or something like that maybe).
    Did a quick search and found this link:
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/non...nk-tanks-finds

    Can't seem to find the original.

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by detltu View Post
    Did a quick search and found this link:
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/non...nk-tanks-finds

    Can't seem to find the original.
    I am not surprised at the way this was presented, but a brief glance at the methodology raises a few (more) questions about the framing of this statistic and about the conclusions based on it.

    The Fox News piece doesn't mention that the numbers drop significantly if you don't count the Earned Income Tax Credit - which you might want to frame as welfare, sure - but the nuance is that someone is working - they just aren't making much money. And by using households instead of individuals (which is certainly a reasonable approach) you blur the lines on children (who might be citizens) getting free lunch (which is included in their numbers). You can make the case for accounting this way, but it's nuance that is lost in the presentation for the most part.

    I also wish they were more clear in their framing of "non-citizens." In the anti-immigration think tank's write-up they address the fact that illegal immigrants aren't eligible for these programs nor are most non-immigrants. It would be interesting to see the actual numbers because I'm really not sure about the details here in a couple of areas.

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    Re: Immigration

    But why look for nuance when it's so much simpler to be pithy?

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Champ967 View Post
    But why look for nuance when it's so much simpler to be pithy?
    Easier to hate on others that are less lucky than you.

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Champ967 View Post
    But why look for nuance when it's so much simpler to be pithy?
    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Easier to hate on others that are less lucky than you.
    Okay then. They are not citizens, don't want to be citizens, but they want the free stuff they can get just because they are here which is why they want to be here. BTW, they get more free stuff in California.

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    Okay then. They are not citizens, don't want to be citizens, but they want the free stuff they can get just because they are here which is why they want to be here. BTW, they get more free stuff in California.
    So we aren’t talking about illegal immigrants, right? We are talking about people fleeing persecution?

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    So we aren’t talking about illegal immigrants, right? We are talking about people fleeing persecution?
    No because if they were actually "fleeing persecution" they'd have stopped when they got to Mexico, not travel another 3000 miles. You know that.

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    No because if they were actually "fleeing persecution" they'd have stopped when they got to Mexico, not travel another 3000 miles. You know that.
    These folks didn’t necessarily come through our southern border. Most asylees probably didn’t.

    Just looked it up, and no surprise, I am right. It isn’t even close. Asylees through our Southern border are the tiniest fraction of all.

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/arti...tates#Arrivals

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    Re: Immigration

    Just build the Damn WALL!!!

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by 70TECHGRAD View Post
    Just build the Damn WALL!!!
    Well, that won’t do a damn thing about anything.

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Well, that won’t do a damn thing about anything.
    Not according to the border control folks who actually know what they are talking about.

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldawg81 View Post
    Not according to the border control folks who actually know what they are talking about.

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by 70TECHGRAD View Post
    Just build the Damn WALL!!!
    With motion-detector machine guns and minefields too. Drones patrolling the border, with orders to attack anyone in the "kill zones," which will be clearly designated with signs, written ONLY in English, of course.

    Even these measures probably won't be 100% effective, but it'll be fun to watch those video clips afterwards...when they do deliver.

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    These folks didn’t necessarily come through our southern border. Most asylees probably didn’t.

    Just looked it up, and no surprise, I am right. It isn’t even close. Asylees through our Southern border are the tiniest fraction of all.

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/arti...tates#Arrivals
    You are bobbling and weaving.

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