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    Re: Another FBI and/or Obama "Deep State" screw-up?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Wrong. In Haldeman v Sirica, the court held it was lawful for the House Judiciary Committee to receive grand jury information.
    Nadler said on camera that they wanted the full unredacted report released to Congress.. he did not specify the House Judiciary Committee.

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    Re: Another FBI and/or Obama "Deep State" screw-up?

    Quote Originally Posted by FriscoDog View Post
    Nadler said on camera that they wanted the full unredacted report released to Congress.. he did not specify the House Judiciary Committee.
    This is about creating a path to leak the redacted portion of report back to the drive by media. Accuracy and reading comprehension is out the window at that point.

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    Re: Another FBI and/or Obama "Deep State" screw-up?

    Quote Originally Posted by FriscoDog View Post
    Nadler said on camera that they wanted the full unredacted report released to Congress.. he did not specify the House Judiciary Committee.
    Even that wouldn’t matter. In the only case on point, a circuit court of appeal held that they wouldn’t impose confidentiality obligations on the Judiciary Committee because it would impinge Congress’s constitutional authority. The Judiciary Committee is free to share the grand jury materials with Congress and even the public.

    https://law.justia.com/cases/federal...33/1438/80111/

    Congress has the inherent authority to see these materials because of their impeachment power, and for a similar reason the courts of held that the Judiciary Committee’s receipt of the materials falls into the “judicial proceeding” exception of FRCP Rule 6e.

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    Re: Another FBI and/or Obama "Deep State" screw-up?

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    This is about creating a path to leak the redacted portion of report back to the drive by media. Accuracy and reading comprehension is out the window at that point.
    And if Congress decides to release it, it is within their authority.

    You know I don’t recall of any of you guys making being strong proponents of grand jury secrecy in the past.

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    Re: Another FBI and/or Obama "Deep State" screw-up?

    Speaking only for myself, I never knew grand jury secrecy was an issue until recently. And I can't recall a case where I held an opinion such that I would have expressed an opinion, pro or con.

    And for me, here's the very bottom line: I want EVERYTHING revealed re: this whole "mess." The libs don't share that desire. They want ONLY something that might hurt Trump revealed. I also want ALL documents revealed re: obummer's crap, Holder's, Lynch's, and especially Krooked Killary's. Isn't it amazing that there is a Congressional "gag" order on all things related to the most corrupt administration in history, and no one says a word.

    What's good for the goose...or in this case, the Goosey...is good for the gander. I say release the full Mueller Report, Trump's tax returns, and any other documents the salivating left wants...but ONLY AFTER...all documents are released re: the crooked obummer et al. Now, that's a good deal, right?

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    Re: Another FBI and/or Obama "Deep State" screw-up?

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    This is about creating a path to leak the redacted portion of report back to the drive by media. Accuracy and reading comprehension is out the window at that point.
    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    And if Congress decides to release it, it is within their authority.

    You know I don’t recall of any of you guys making being strong proponents of grand jury secrecy in the past.
    so you don't disagree. As D80 said, I don't recall it ever coming into play before. Can you give me an example of us white supremacist being upset about such a thing?

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    Re: Another FBI and/or Obama "Deep State" screw-up?

    The senate will never vote to impeach Trump. The only Republican that might vote to impeach him would be dumbass Romney. All you need to do is take a look at Romney's religion to figure out how batshit crazy he is. He dug up his Father-in-law so he could baptize him into his fake religion over a year after he died.

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    Re: Another FBI and/or Obama "Deep State" screw-up?

    Quote Originally Posted by FriscoDog View Post
    Nadler said on camera that they wanted the full unredacted report released to Congress.. he did not specify the House Judiciary Committee.
    As I understand it, Barr did release the full unreacted report to Congress in that special building and room for all of them to go read and see. However not a single Democrat went to read it.
    And then all smit broke loose when he called their bluff, words flew back and forth and none of them came to read it. Now the Dems are holding him in political contempt just for theater.

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    Re: Another FBI and/or Obama "Deep State" screw-up?

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    so you don't disagree. As D80 said, I don't recall it ever coming into play before. Can you give me an example of us white supremacist being upset about such a thing?
    Exactly, you only care now because you think it might work to help hide things Trump wants hidden.

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    Re: Another FBI and/or Obama "Deep State" screw-up?

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    Speaking only for myself, I never knew grand jury secrecy was an issue until recently. And I can't recall a case where I held an opinion such that I would have expressed an opinion, pro or con.

    And for me, here's the very bottom line: I want EVERYTHING revealed re: this whole "mess." The libs don't share that desire. They want ONLY something that might hurt Trump revealed. I also want ALL documents revealed re: obummer's crap, Holder's, Lynch's, and especially Krooked Killary's. Isn't it amazing that there is a Congressional "gag" order on all things related to the most corrupt administration in history, and no one says a word.

    What's good for the goose...or in this case, the Goosey...is good for the gander. I say release the full Mueller Report, Trump's tax returns, and any other documents the salivating left wants...but ONLY AFTER...all documents are released re: the crooked obummer et al. Now, that's a good deal, right?
    Fine with me.

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    Re: Another FBI and/or Obama "Deep State" screw-up?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Exactly, you only care now because you think it might work to help hide things Trump wants hidden.
    No, like D80 I don't care. I want it all out there.

    What I do care about is the real reason they want the redacted 10% released.

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    Re: Another FBI and/or Obama "Deep State" screw-up?

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    No, like D80 I don't care. I want it all out there.

    What I do care about is the real reason they want the redacted 10% released.
    To do their job of oversight. What does Trump have to hide?

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    Re: Another FBI and/or Obama "Deep State" screw-up?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    To do their job of oversight. What does Trump have to hide?
    Nothing to hide for Trump.

    Oversite a lie that you are regurgitating for your fellow socialist/liberals. They'll leak information (illegally), claim they didn't, but use it in the socialist media as propaganda.

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    Re: Another FBI and/or Obama "Deep State" screw-up?

    Quote Originally Posted by DONW View Post
    The senate will never vote to impeach Trump. The only Republican that might vote to impeach him would be dumbass Romney. All you need to do is take a look at Romney's religion to figure out how batshit crazy he is. He dug up his Father-in-law so he could baptize him into his fake religion over a year after he died.
    House impeaches, Senate convicts.

    Trump is actively trying to goad the House into impeaching, but they are unlikely to do it unless they think the Senate would actually convict. Republicans are spineless so that is probably not going to happen. But that isn’t going to stop the House Democrats from attempting to do their oversight, even if that only means they can “investigate” until such time as the Republicans might have a change of heart.

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    Re: Another FBI and/or Obama "Deep State" screw-up?

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    Nothing to hide for Trump.

    Oversite a lie that you are regurgitating for your fellow socialist/liberals. They'll leak information (illegally), claim they didn't, but use it in the socialist media as propaganda.
    It wouldn’t be illegal for them to leak it. And that is what oversight entitles them to do. That is how oversight works.

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