And the only reason I care about what Hannity says is because he and Trump make pillow talk every night. If he would stick to reasonable points of views, our president would make better decisions.
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And the only reason I care about what Hannity says is because he and Trump make pillow talk every night. If he would stick to reasonable points of views, our president would make better decisions.
I don't actually watch Hannity so I don't know what he is suggesting, but I think I'm right. Not to say that some of the precautions aren't warranted, just that the panic displayed by most will end up being unwarranted. I have friends (conservatives and liberals) who are talking about doomsday prepping because of this. At the same time they are ranting about people stocking up on toilet paper. We have a person in the office who is freaking out about it and is pretty upset that everyone else in the office isn't taking it seriously enough. I just have a feeling we will look back in a few months after this has started to die down and realize we were blowing things out of proportion.Originally Posted by Guisslapp
One of the problems is that we are hardwired to mentally imagine “change” linearly. We take our various data inputs - our immediate contacts and community, the rate of news flow and mentally imagine change as continuation of the current trend.
Exponential change is hard to imagine. The rate of change is itself accelerating. By the time you know someone that personally has the disease, statistically speaking, the disease has already hit your community in full outbreak.
I'm not saying it can't happen. Just that it is normal practice in places with socialized medicine. Particularly for the more routine surgeries. The best foreign healthcare I have dealt with was when my mom died on a trip to Germany. I don't think there was anything a doctor in the US could have done differently, but we were not saddled with hefty medical bills for her care. When my wife broke her leg in Costa Rica we were told it would be six weeks before she could have the surgery because her injury was not life threatening and her risk of clotting was too high for her to fly home before the surgery. The doctors in Costa Rica were actually very good, but the quality of healthcare in every other area was well below US standards. You wouldn't know it from talking to them though, they were convinced their healthcare was far superior to US healthcare.
The only benefits I have seen in countries with socialized medicine is it's definitely cheap. They are also pretty quick to kick you out of the hospital after a surgery unlike the US. My wife was discharged from the hospital the next morning after her surgery the night before. I haven't found anything fast about it, but most of our encounters have been more major medical than minor.
You are REALLY hung up on this bogus scare tactic.
The only people in ICU with this crap were already sick from other causes.
...some aspects of socialized medicine better? Like the one that just allows old people to die instead of wasting resources on them?
You do realize that there is a high percentage of Americans that are elderly, diabetic, have cardiovascular disease, respiratory issues, etc., right?
Ok, but Costa Rica is also pretty much a third world country. My brother-in-law got an intestinal parasite there. Socialized medicine was not the dominant factor rather a country that has limited resources in total. Socialized medicine in Europe is not really comparable to that.
I wouldn't be surprised if I have already had it. I have been traveling a lot over the last few months and have had various coughs and issues. I think one night I even had a fever. I think we are on the upswing now, but in a month or two I think the worst will be through and people will realize they have been exposed to it for far longer than they think. My mother in law thinks she is going to die from it, while my Dad wants to just get it and get it over with. I think I tend to agree with my Dad on this one. My mother in law is the one that is going to cause the problems because she has been watching the news and will be clogging up the hospital when she gets a sniffle.
I don’t think businesses leave billions of dollars on the table by cancelling major events without really believing that they are doing the right thing. There is an ever increasing list of private companies individually coming to the same conclusion. These decisions are not taken lightly, so I think that is good evidence that the right decisions are being made.
What is unique is that businesses are having to make these painful decisions in the name of the public good without coherent leadership from the federal government. We have the experts saying one thing and Trump saying another, except in one instance when he is reading from the teleprompter. He then tweets conflicting information. I think most believe he is being drug unwillingly to show leadership because he would rather stick to a message that everything is fine.
We've had similar experiences in Canada and European countries. Not with a broken leg mind you so not apples to apples but not that different the only other broken bone was my dad breaking his wrist in Canada. My Dad does quite a bit of work in foreign countries, lived in Canada for a year or two, Germany for a year or two, lots of work in Spain, England, France etc. He actually just took a job in India that was supposed to start at the end of the month but has been pushed back because of the corona virus. Costa Rica was the worst, for sure, but I'm telling you we have had similar issues in other countries at a lower scale. It's not a good thing. There is no where in the world I would rather be dealing with the corona virus than the United States.
I generally agree. The only thing I would really change about the US and Coronavirus is the amount of testing that is being done and clearer leadership as to what will be done to support the businesses/individuals that will be impacted to encourage those to do the right thing.
There are factors at play that are pushing them to that conclusion. The media hysteria means their business is going to be severely impacted regardless and if it turns out to be correct they will be viewed as being irresponsible. They are making the safe choice for the most part. I would agree that the right decisions are being made from a business sense.
The testing is a screw up for sure. They should be testing everyone who goes to the doctor right now if they really want to slow this down. The FDA-CDC disconnect is a problem that I am sure will get some extra scrutiny after this blows over.
We've never been geared up to test like Guisslapp and his merry band of socialists are demanding. Cut the red tape and it can be done. Meanwhile, blame the lack of testing on the guy you hate the most.
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