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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Unfortunately, the response to limit the economic damage is already too late. Massive unemployment is here next week. Any payroll relief impact is going to be severely blunted by the delay in getting out. This was all foreseeable. The delay was inexcusable.
    Do you ever think before you post something?

    BTW, it's the Dems who are causing the delays. But, not that I am a defender of the Dems, this entire event is unprecedented and I don't think anyone, especially as removed as those inside the Beltway, can be held accountable for this or the response.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by detltu View Post
    I think there is a real problem right now with selective interpretation. There are examples on this thread. When I say the panic the media is causing is overblown, I am not saying people should not be taking this seriously. My point is people shouldn't be in fear for their lives unless they fit the criteria (over 70 or over 50 with preexisting conditions). That doesn't mean they should go around licking things in public places, just that they shouldn't be in a panic that they are going to die. A friend was ready to head to the emergency room because they were sure they had the virus and were going to die. They were convinced they felt feverish (no fever) and were having shortness of breath and coughing. Despite the fact that they are in their 30s and in good health, they have bought into the sensationalism. Please note, I'm not saying if they are feeling ill they should continue their normal activity. I'm just saying they should calm down, monitor their temperature and symptoms and try not to panic. By the afternoon they were fine, but if someone hadn't talked them off the ledge they would have been putting undue strain on our medical system that everyone is so concerned about.

    I can't speak for other people, but when I have heard the word hoax thrown around about this ordeal, it is more about the response to the virus (and the media coverage) rather than the virus itself. We honestly still don't know how much worse this is than a bad flu. China and Italy indicate it is much worse than even a bad flu, South Korea indicates it might be closer to a bad flu. There are still plenty of reason to be alarmed such as the lack of a vaccine (unlike the flu). The reality is the numbers for this virus are just not well understood yet versus the flu that we have plenty of history on (all of the flu numbers are based on presumed cases versus verified cases it should be noted). Early estimates suggest this is much more contagious than the flu (possibly 2-3x), there is no vaccine or established treatment unlike the flu, and the incubation time/being contagious without symptoms makes this something to be seriously concerned with.

    I think many people think purpose of the flu comparison is to minimize the disease and discourage people from taking action. I have to run, but I will finish this thought later.
    To finish that last thought, the purpose of the flu comparison is to provide context to the potential for dying from this disease. Most people don't realize how many people die from the flu each year. So when we hear about a 3% death rate people think they are going to die from the disease. That is the purpose of the coverage. I know Champ, and Johnny, and Guiss think that is just to drive up viewership (and that is a part of it) but that is not the purpose of this type of coverage. This is political and anyone with half a brain can see it. A big part of the coverage is to hurt Trump (or help him if you are Fox news). There is very little desire to get actual useful information out there unless it suits their purpose.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by detltu View Post
    To finish that last thought, the purpose of the flu comparison is to provide context to the potential for dying from this disease. Most people don't realize how many people die from the flu each year. So when we hear about a 3% death rate people think they are going to die from the disease. That is the purpose of the coverage. I know Champ, and Johnny, and Guiss think that is just to drive up viewership (and that is a part of it) but that is not the purpose of this type of coverage. This is political and anyone with half a brain can see it. A big part of the coverage is to hurt Trump (or help him if you are Fox news). There is very little desire to get actual useful information out there unless it suits their purpose.
    Isn't that selective interpretation?

    If the reported death rate was 3% and that was conveyed by the media, why shouldn't it be reported? News is always sensational, but facts are facts and savvy readers can read through the opinion. Wouldn't you think some of the coverage is in reaction to the administrations making light of the virus until they absolutely couldn't deny is seriousness anymore? Trump sets a lot of the narratives and that works for him as much as it works against him.

    You last sentence rings true to me, but hasn't that always been the case?
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    Re: Covid - 19

    Latest Louisiana numbers:

    280 cases
    7 deaths
    13 of 64 parishes have reported cases: they are Caddo and Bossier, and 11 parishes in and around BR and NO. Nothing so far in CENLA, NELA, and SWLA.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    Isn't that selective interpretation?

    If the reported death rate was 3% and that was conveyed by the media, why shouldn't it be reported? News is always sensational, but facts are facts and savvy readers can read through the opinion. Wouldn't you think some of the coverage is in reaction to the administrations making light of the virus until they absolutely couldn't deny is seriousness anymore? Trump sets a lot of the narratives and that works for him as much as it works against him.

    You last sentence rings true to me, but hasn't that always been the case?
    Your TDS is showing again. Or, I should say "still."

    Couldn't deny the seriousness anymore? You are nothing but an ignorant shrill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    Do you ever think before you post something?

    BTW, it's the Dems who are causing the delays. But, not that I am a defender of the Dems, this entire event is unprecedented and I don't think anyone, especially as removed as those inside the Beltway, can be held accountable for this or the response.
    This bill that will be voted on Friday should have been done last week at the latest.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    This bill that will be voted on Friday should have been done last week at the latest.
    The bill which MUST be started/passed in Congress is Trump's fault. Got it...

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    Isn't that selective interpretation?

    If the reported death rate was 3% and that was conveyed by the media, why shouldn't it be reported? News is always sensational, but facts are facts and savvy readers can read through the opinion. Wouldn't you think some of the coverage is in reaction to the administrations making light of the virus until they absolutely couldn't deny is seriousness anymore? Trump sets a lot of the narratives and that works for him as much as it works against him.

    You last sentence rings true to me, but hasn't that always been the case?
    You could certainly argue that. You really have to think about what the news outlet stands to gain from their coverage. There is no issue reporting the numbers as they are. That needs to be done, but a good news organization wouldn't limit their coverage to just the numbers that instill panic ( or present the case that everything is fine). Context is important. It would be nice if someone presented the facts as they are instead of trying to tell a "story".

    As far as coverage being a reaction to the President, the case could also be made that he President was downplaying it because of the sensational coverage. Granted he's the president and he shouldn't be letting the media affect him like it does, but clearly that is not one of Trumps strengths.

    For the last sentence, yes it has always been the case (at least in my lifetime), but I feel like the narrative has become the driving factor even more in the last 20 years at the expense of facts. We are heading in the wrong direction on that one.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    I thought this article was more fact based, but perhaps I’m being selective. What do you think DET?

    https://www.vox.com/science-and-heal...mparison-chart

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    The bill which MUST be started/passed in Congress is Trump's fault. Got it...
    He would take credit for it if it did. Works both ways. Leadership on policy priorities starts at the POTUS. He has been signaling lack of urgency and the fact that things are under control when he should have been lighting a fire under Congress to take action.

    He and FoxNews are a feedback loop. They changed when he changed. Had he changed his view sooner, FoxNews would have as would Republicans in Congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    I thought this article was more fact based, but perhaps I’m being selective. What do you think DET?

    https://www.vox.com/science-and-heal...mparison-chart
    That is actually one I have read in the last few days, and while Vox is not typically particularly balanced, I did find that article to be really good. I think they did a good job of presenting the numbers as we know them and mentioning that we really don't know. Their 2nd to last line is important too. Even if it is only as bad as the flu, it's still a pretty big deal.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    https://infection2020.com/

    Updated regularly if you want to keep up with where the outbreaks are occurring...

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Louisiana:

    347 cases
    8 deaths
    17 of 64 parishes with at least one case (City of Lafayette is the latest...)

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Although I know our resident TDSers are rooting for all bad news, there is some encouraging news, namely some of the early results from the vaccine research. Unprecendented leadership from our gallant POTUS has removed obstacles in the FDA's past goofiness...and the incredible public/private sector collaborations is paying dividends. Chins up! we'll get through this.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    Although I know our resident TDSers are rooting for all bad news, there is some encouraging news, namely some of the early results from the vaccine research. Unprecendented leadership from our gallant POTUS has removed obstacles in the FDA's past goofiness...and the incredible public/private sector collaborations is paying dividends. Chins up! we'll get through this.
    The FDA has always been a shit show. It could use a major overhaul in the way they operate. The malaria drug they now think can combat COVID19 has also been shown to be effective as a cancer treatment in some other countries and is a standard of care in some clinics in Europe. Because it is available as a generic and the drug makers don't want to cover the exorbitant costs to get the drug approved for use it sits in limbo. You can't really blame them though because they would never recover the costs. It's one area where single payer healthcare would be beneficial. I still think there are better ways to fix the problem than socialized medicine.

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