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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by FriscoDog View Post
    Been wondering.. several new quick result test kits are hitting the field literally days after being developed. I was wondering if some of the positives and spikes we are seeing are due to possibly some false positives. What I mean by that is, could the test be showing positive, for the common flu, another COVID virus, or respiratory illness? I mean it's better to show a false positive than the reverse just to be safe.
    Speed to market would not be the issue, but the speed of the test could be. PCR tests, which take days to get the results are very accurate. Immunoassays which look at the blood for antibodies are less so. There is more variability in the antibodies than the virus. Whether the variability results in false positive or false negative may depend on the uniqueness of the antigen it is targeting.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41587-020-00010-2

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Question...

    Is a real quarantine only possible through socialism? As long as we have to go to gas stations and grocery stores, we can’t help but come in contact with people. As long as Lowe’s stays open, banks have more than IT and debit card services, and clinics are open for non essential services people will be in contact to some degree.

    Socialism seems to be the only solution. Government personnel delivering rations of fuel and groceries, medications, cleaning supplies, and insuring the maintenance of the power grid.

    Are we willing to go that far to get to true lockdown? I hope not.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by techman05 View Post
    Question...

    Is a real quarantine only possible through socialism? As long as we have to go to gas stations and grocery stores, we can’t help but come in contact with people. As long as Lowe’s stays open, banks have more than IT and debit card services, and clinics are open for non essential services people will be in contact to some degree.

    Socialism seems to be the only solution. Government personnel delivering rations of fuel and groceries, medications, cleaning supplies, and insuring the maintenance of the power grid.

    Are we willing to go that far to get to true lockdown? I hope not.
    No.

    But the idea of making sure US makes all of its own critical items for health and security, which some folks on her advocate, is only consistent with socialism.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    No.

    But the idea of making sure US makes all of its own critical items for health and security, which some folks on her advocate, is only consistent with socialism.
    No, it is not. But it is consistent with national security and putting America first. Besides, no one here, in the Trump administration, or in the GOP, has an issue with our allies making goods and we engaged in free, competitive trade with them. It's the likes of China that we need to sever ties with...except for some non-essentials like plastic kids' toys and the like.

    Figures I had to explain the simplest, most rudimentary concepts to you.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    Of course, and hundreds of hospitals were closed due to Obama/Bide and their Obamacare as well.

    Obama admin repeatedly sought millions in CDC funding cuts, despite Biden's attacks on Trump preparedness
    Bump for more truth to sink in!!

    But again at a minimum this should all have been handled for the American public at least after Bush and America's 9-11 and all of the various threats from the radical muslims and health crisis afterward. Of course the Clintons were just mating with whatever walked in their paths so they didn't give a smit either.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    1 out of 334 people in NOLA have it

    1 out of 315 people in NYC have it
    Freaking commie China, terrible preparedness and the Congress (Pelosi) slow play!!!! And if you don't think lying Pelosi and rat Schemer weren't talking every hour on what to put in the Senate bill you're not a lawyer or politically astute Guisslapp my friend. Just like the bogus Russian hoax and Impeachment fiasco it wasted precious time money and effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    No, it is not. But it is consistent with national security and putting America first. Besides, no one here, in the Trump administration, or in the GOP, has an issue with our allies making goods and we engaged in free, competitive trade with them. It's the likes of China that we need to sever ties with...except for some non-essentials like plastic kids' toys and the like.

    Figures I had to explain the simplest, most rudimentary concepts to you.
    So you want the government to dictate to US businesses who they can acquire their goods from and which goods are critical to the nations health and security. And you call that capitalism. Lol

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    So you want the government to dictate to US businesses who they can acquire their goods from and which goods are critical to the nations health and security. And you call that capitalism. Lol
    In crucial industries, yes. Put high tariffs on products like steel...and even you can figure out what others are...and subsidize, as necessary, in economic slumps. But again, not talking about our allies. We can enjoy free/competitive trade with our traditional allies, and take a chance on India, for instance. Crush China economically and work with India.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    So you want the government to dictate to US businesses who they can acquire their goods from and which goods are critical to the nations health and security. And you call that capitalism. Lol
    It's smart no matter what you call it.

    We already know socialist and communist countries dump products below their costs on our markets, intending to destroy our ability to make that product in the future.

    Your thought process seems to be pretty limited on this, however. You scream for minimum wages and EPA standards to be implemented here that foreign nations hostile to the US don't have to follow....then you only seem to notice the government getting involved when they attempt to level the playing field FOR OUR OWN SURVIVAL. It is because of government involvement that we cannot compete (both domestic and foreign governments) and not because of any aspect of capitalism or free trade.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    So you want the government to dictate to US businesses who they can acquire their goods from and which goods are critical to the nations health and security. And you call that capitalism. Lol
    Defense Production Act was enacted yesterday by our excellent leader and "war time" President Trump.
    You would bitch if he didn't do it. You just hate Trump. But here I'll help you out.


    The Defense Production Act of 1950, as Amended (50 U.S.C. ...


    https://www.fema.gov › media-library › assets › documents2061 et seq.) This is the full text of the Defense Production Act of 1950, as amended. Last updated date is ...



    [PDF]The Defense Production Act of 1950: History ... - FAS.org


    https://fas.org › sgp › crs › natsecMar 2, 2020 - The Defense Production Act (DPA) of 1950 (P.L. 81-774, 50 U.S.C. §§4501 et seq.), as amended, confers upon the President a broad set of ...



    Defense Production Act - Wikipedia


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    The Defense Production Act (Pub.L. 81–774) is a United States federal law enacted on September 8, 1950 in response to the start of the Korean War. It was part of a broad civil defense and war mobilization effort in the context of the Cold War.Provisions · ‎Usage over time · ‎Korean War-era usage · ‎21st-century usage

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow View Post
    It's smart no matter what you call it.

    We already know socialist and communist countries dump products below their costs on our markets, intending to destroy our ability to make that product in the future.

    Your thought process seems to be pretty limited on this, however. You scream for minimum wages and EPA standards to be implemented here that foreign nations hostile to the US don't have to follow....then you only seem to notice the government getting involved when they attempt to level the playing field FOR OUR OWN SURVIVAL. It is because of government involvement that we cannot compete (both domestic and foreign governments) and not because of any aspect of capitalism or free trade.
    I don’t scream for that.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    Defense Production Act was enacted yesterday by our excellent leader and "war time" President Trump.
    You would bitch if he didn't do it. You just hate Trump. But here I'll help you out.


    The Defense Production Act of 1950, as Amended (50 U.S.C. ...


    https://www.fema.gov › media-library › assets › documents2061 et seq.) This is the full text of the Defense Production Act of 1950, as amended. Last updated date is ...



    [PDF]The Defense Production Act of 1950: History ... - FAS.org


    https://fas.org › sgp › crs › natsecMar 2, 2020 - The Defense Production Act (DPA) of 1950 (P.L. 81-774, 50 U.S.C. §§4501 et seq.), as amended, confers upon the President a broad set of ...



    Defense Production Act - Wikipedia


    https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Defense_Production_Act

    The Defense Production Act (Pub.L. 81–774) is a United States federal law enacted on September 8, 1950 in response to the start of the Korean War. It was part of a broad civil defense and war mobilization effort in the context of the Cold War.Provisions · ‎Usage over time · ‎Korean War-era usage · ‎21st-century usage
    Try to keep up. That is old news. Remember when Trump mocked Cuomo saying they had enough ventilators. Now he is commanding GM to produce them. Seems like Trump can’t make up his mind about what is needed.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Try to keep up. That is old news. Remember when Trump mocked Cuomo saying they had enough ventilators. Now he is commanding GM to produce them. Seems like Trump can’t make up his mind about what is needed.
    Did he say they had enough ventilators or that they shouldn't need as many as they were asking for?

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    I don’t scream for that.
    Whether you scream for them or not, they exist. It's like you are cutting one leg off of a marathon runner, then saying let's have a fair race with an opponent that has both legs.

    So, since you say you don't scream for that, does that mean you are for loosening/eliminating pollution regulations and doing away with rules that say you have to work for a union if you hope to be employed? Are you for just having the same regulations as China?

    Man, I like where you are going here. Then there will be global free trade and capitalism.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    1 out of 334 people in NOLA have it

    1 out of 315 people in NYC have it
    And that's just the people we know about!

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