Covid - 19

[Guisslapp]

If that testing shows the virus has slipped into the country in places federal officials don't know about, "we've got a problem,"

This is the key thing - the critical qualification - that everyone keeps skipping over.

Just as I keep telling you guys, at the beginning of this crisis, testing was a critical path item. That was back when we had hope of containing the virus through isolation.

One would think - given how critical testing was to achieve this tactical approach - why was failure an opinion? Why would you put all your eggs in one testing basket? Why take this risk?

[detltu]

But he's been just as successful as POTUS. I know with your acute TDS you will put your hands over your ears and do that "lah, lah, lah…" stuff, I'm not listening!

And, I will say, yes, it is fairly easy to make money in real estate. I've done it without really trying that hard. I have been telling people for decades, "get into real estate, in some capacity!" Very few listened and now are envious of my position. But, I never tackled the level Trump did. It's like when you're building a business, starting out as a small business. The first $1 million in gross sales is easy. Then, depending on the industry, the next $million can be a challenge. But then to go from say, $2-3 million to $10 million is a quantum leap. It's like going to the moon and then saying next time we're traveling to Saturn. Ah, no. HUGE DIFFERENCE! All that to say, not everyone can accomplish the level of success/wealth Trump did in real estate. If you think it's so easy...go ahead, do it.

It takes money to make money is a true statement, but I agree that It gets harder and harder to significantly grow that wealth. We started investing in real estate about 10 years ago and it has gone well for us, but we have stagnated a bit. You have to take risks to make money and as our money grows the risks get bigger. Lots of millionaires would love to be billionaires including a lot of lottery winners who end up broke.

[dawg80]

If TDS were a message board post- this could be it.

Yep! Goosey has it bad. Some people can't be saved, and some aren't worth saving...

[dawg80]

It takes money to make money is a true statement, but I agree that It gets harder and harder to significantly grow that wealth. We started investing in real estate about 10 years ago and it has gone well for us, but we have stagnated a bit. You have to take risks to make money and as our money grows the risks get bigger. Lots of millionaires would love to be billionaires including a lot of lottery winners who end up broke.

Excellent! as I say there are three ways the average person can become wealthy: 1) be a professional athlete, 2) win the lottery, or 3) invest in real estate. (yes, there are other ways...) point is, real estate is doable.

We made a conscience decision to not pursue it further than we have. Could have, easily! Still can! I could go out and buy several properties today and turn them into money-making investments...one in particular is a steal, and I am still considering it. I keep hoping someone else will buy it so I can go, dern! missed it. I am trying to adapt to being semi-retired and not increase my portfolio.

I did try to put together a group of investors, an LLC, to build a real estate company and had some success...had about $300K* pledged. But as time went on I'd lose one, pick up another, then lose one...and worse! everyone of them wanted me to be the managing partner so they could mostly just sit back and rake in dividends. I wouldn't have minded, still don't, being an active member managing the portfolio but no way did I want to take all that on myself. And that is one reason small business endeavors sometimes find it impossible to go from $1 millionish to $10 million...management! Getting the right people in place and keeping them as the company grows can be tough.

*our business plan required $1 million in start-up capital without external debt. Never could get there.

[techman05]

You should watch, young Padoin. When the numbers come in lower than Trump/Birx/Fauci projected (100k-200k), it will be Republicans - not Democrats complaining. It will be Republicans that draw the comparison to the flu again and say we crushed the economy for the same damage as the flu. Idiots.

I will hold out hope that logical people will learn that science should be challenged and questioned rather than scientific opinion or even consensus taken as gospel. Maybe reasonable people will finally say, “maybe the man made part of the climate argument is stupid after all.”

[TYLERTECHSAS]

Nice positive

Published 2 hours ago
Surgeon general Adams: How and when Americans will be able to safely get back to work


America must continue to follow the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and White House guidelines on coronavirus in order to safely reopen American businesses, U.S. Surgeon General Jerome Adams said Thursday.

Appearing on "Fox & Friends" with host Brian Kilmeade, Adams said that although social distancing and other precautionary measures must still be implemented by America's workforce, recent U.S. models have resulted in better projections than in places like Italy. He said that has led to the announcement of new guidelines to make it easier for essential workers who have been exposed to COVID-19 to get back to work if they do not have symptoms.



"And, I know, Brian, folks want to reopen as soon as possible," Adams noted. "Well, the key to reopening as soon as possible is to make sure we flatten our peak and get to the other side and really lean into this for the next 30 days."



Adams told Kilmeade the next steps are to improve testing.

"We want to make sure we have testing available rapidly for people who need quick answers. We want to make sure we have testing available for surveillance. And, we want to make sure we have antibody testing," he remarked. "And, those are three different things, but we have a whole team trying to figure out how we can get the right tests to the right places."


"And, number two: we want to see cases start to come down for ideally two weeks. And, once that happens, we want to make sure we have a public health infrastructure in place so that we can follow up on positive tests and isolate case contacts," added Adams.


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https://www.foxnews.com/media/us-sur...rs-coronavirus

[Guisslapp]

I will hold out hope that logical people will learn that science should be challenged and questioned rather than scientific opinion or even consensus taken as gospel. Maybe reasonable people will finally say, “maybe the man made part of the climate argument is stupid after all.”

Idiot Republicans will forget that is was the shutdown of the economy that kept the lives lost below the worst case projections.

[PawDawg]

Idiot Republicans will forget that is was the shutdown of the economy that kept the lives lost below the worst case projections.

The worst case projections were NEVER a real threat after Trump and the governors shut the economy down. Those numbers were a scare tactic that Trump played along with and the sheeple played along with (me included). I called BS on these numbers last week. You said it (cases and deaths) was still trending that way.

[Guisslapp]

The worst case projections were NEVER a real threat after Trump and the governors shut the economy down. Those numbers were a scare tactic that Trump played along with and the sheeple played along with (me included). I called BS on these numbers last week. You said it (cases and deaths) was still trending that way.

We are still mostly on trend with the death total doubling every 4 days, but you come off that trend as the suppression from social distancing flattens the curve.

Washington and California - the two first hotspots did that relatively quick. NYC, NJ, Conn had more of a delay in response and you can see how that impacted their numbers.

I started to see that impact in their numbers about a week ago when I noted that we had a inflection in the second derivative - meaning that the rate of increase of the increase was no longer positive. Meaning the transmission was starting to look more linear (measured by the number of positive cases) and less exponential, which is what you would see before you see the new cases start to reduce on a daily basis. Taking into account the approx 10 day delay, we should see flattening of deaths in NYC going through this weekend and then it should start to reduce on a per day basis, thereafter.

So those trends can be seen in those areas. The big question for the total death statistic really comes down to two main uncertainties: (1) what happens in states that have been slower to adopt social distancing and states that have done less testing - when will their numbers peak and how much transmission has occurred in the period that social distancing was not implemented, and (2) what steps do we take when we start to reopen to avoid reigniting the transmission and a repeat of what we are going through now.

[frogdog]

Idiot Republicans will forget that is was the shutdown of the economy that kept the lives lost below the worst case projections.

Ok have had it up to my ears with stupid socialists that want to change this country. They all are ignorant of history and are unhappy, envyous people who want more from people have made better decisions in their lives and in many cases worked harder.

[Guisslapp]

Ok have had it up to my ears with stupid socialists that want to change this country. They all are ignorant of history and are unhappy, envyous people who want more from people have made better decisions in their lives and in many cases worked harder.

Hey, you are describing Trump supporters. They actually have a lot in common with socialists.

[detltu]

Idiot Republicans will forget that is was the shutdown of the economy that kept the lives lost below the worst case projections.

While laced with TDS, there is truth to this statement. Most won't recognize that the social distancing has helped reduce the impact of the disease.

[PawDawg]

(2) what steps do we take when we start to reopen to avoid reigniting the transmission and a repeat of what we are going through now.

The Liberal/Progressive/Socialists will keep running scared and hoping for more bad news.

Trump has people already discussing how/when/where on opening things back up. What leaders do...he is delegating to experts.

IMO, whatever happens will involve a slow process that the rapid testing will be an integral part of. IMO, the businesses that will be hurt the most are the food and travel industry. Reports are that possibly 1/3 to 1/2 of the commercial airplanes that were operating before will never operate again.

[dawg80]

The Liberal/Progressive/Socialists will keep running scared and hoping for more bad news.

Trump has people already discussing how/when/where on opening things back up. What leaders do...he is delegating to experts.

IMO, whatever happens will involve a slow process that the rapid testing will be an integral part of. IMO, the businesses that will be hurt the most are the food and travel industry. Reports are that possibly 1/3 to 1/2 of the commercial airplanes that were operating before will never operate again.

Saw an aerial video of planes parked on runways at some airport...there was something like 50, 60, more! planes sitting idle.

[techman05]

IMO, whatever happens will involve a slow process that the rapid testing will be an integral part of. IMO, the businesses that will be hurt the most are the food and travel industry. Reports are that possibly 1/3 to 1/2 of the commercial airplanes that were operating before will never operate again.

I’m thinking movie theaters will struggle if this goes on past mid May or so. Will production companies choose to release movies for home viewing at a premium? Will consumers elect to watch movies at home for, say, $30 per viewing, and also avoid the $9 popcorn? I, for one, don’t want this. We have deliberately avoided all the on demand and streaming services because I don’t want my kids to have instant access to the entire worldwide movie library.