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Nice speech but we all know that is not the gist of the issue.Originally Posted by Guisslapp
But, we do agree the system is broken. That wound can be mostly mended with a WALL** on the border and tight controls at points of entry, as well as a better tracking system to catch those in visa expirations/violations.
**the WALL refers to tight controls on the border, which yes, does include a physical barrier and other means.
Sales taxes, yes they pay those. How do you pay federal and state taxes without a SS#?
You use an ITIN. Similarly, illegal immigrants pay social security taxes and are ineligible for the benefits.
Good! the only thing they should be eligible for is one-way trip in the back of an army deuce and a half to the border.
So, what legal documentation do you present to get an ITIN? Or do you just walk in and say, “my name is Javier. I don’t have an ID, I don’t have a SS#, or anything else, but I need an ITIN?”
You file a W-7 with the IRS.
https://www.irs.gov/individuals/how-...ly-for-an-itin
Not that easy, but I wouldn't expect you to know that. They don't give out ITINs just because you fill out a W7 form with an employer. They must have supporting documentation and obviously most illegals don't.
Those that want to become citizens do. Having done quite a few DACA applications, I know many do.
Over 4 million illegal immigrants pay income tax a year to a tube over over $20 billion.
Just curious. Which two forms of ID are they using mostly?
Their Georgie Porgie (Soros) Club card and their Commie (card-carrying) lefty card.
Drivers license and voter ID cards are acceptable. It’s ironic that those in favor of using voter Identification as proof for this are against voter identification cards.
Depends on age, but passports, state id, birth certificates, medical/school records, foreign drivers license.
I feel like this has been discussed, but here it is once more.
Undocumented border crossing is a misdemeanor. Roughly equivalent to a speeding ticket or shoplifting. (I would offer that petty theft by US citizens siphons off more American productivity than illegal immigrants ever have, but that's just me speculating ...)
And some laws are greater than others. City laws can be negated by a state law. Federal laws can be superseded by the Constitution. And all human law is subservient to the natural law. The right of human beings to move their persons to escape evil or seek a better life comes from none less than their Creator. (We all still agree that the function of human law is protect, not to infringe, God-given rights, yes?)
Imagine you're rushing an injured loved one to the emergency room and you run a stop sign. You therefore committed a crime, and now you're a criminal. Again, I hope we call all agree that the need for immediate medical care in such a scenario is greater than the law to come to a complete stop at an intersection. We can come up with more examples like this, but you get the idea ...
I've posted in the thread above some images of a famous fictional law enforcement officer. Maybe you know the character. In the story, he spent decades hunting a man who had once committed a petty crime. He couldnt see the loving father, devout Christian, or pillar of the community ... only the escaped thief. Javert's compulsion to fulfill the letter of the law, without mercy or compassion, ultimately took his sanity and his life.
That was a long answer to your original question, the premise of which was flawed. Nobody "supports ILLEGAL immigration". Seriously, no one.
The short answer, which I write in the closing minutes of this Easter, is that justice can be mercy too.
OMGoodness! Where have you been the last 11 years?
Total bullshit!
Deport all illegals without remorse and without prejudice, they all need to go! And build that wall...with motion sensor machineguns and/or the on-off electric fence someone else advocated.
Anything short of this IS supporting illegal immigration, no matter how you try to rationalize it. This is a serious matter, which will only get worse, MUCH WORSE! if we don't take steps now. Protection of the sovereignty of our nation, of our borders, trump () all laws, including running stop signs. Every nation has every right to defend itself. We use our military to kill many thousands when our nation is threatened. Yes, that law, the law of self-determination for any nation is greater than others.
You can TRY to sugarcoat it all you want but anything other than ZERO TOLERANCE for illegal immigration is support for it. Don't post BS like "no one supports illegal immigration" when you clearly do.
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