Covid - 19

[techman05]

What are the standards for reporting in all of these countries? Is it accurate? Everyone is using the same standard?

Absolutely, especially China. Oh, and never mind the reports of all the faulty testing in places like Italy and Germany.

[eagle2180]

Normally, the person has to be declared to be dead to be counted dead. In the US, we really should just go ahead and count them as brain dead if they voted for Trump.

So you can’t verify any of the data you continually argue about as accurate? Who are the brain dead?

[PawDawg]

Most health care professionals I know use the terms interchangeably. None of the vaccines are 100% effective, but they still refer to them as vaccines. Yes people still get flu. People will still get C-19. It won’t kill near the number of has killed to this point if we have a viable treatment.

Smallpox, measles, and polio all have vaccines. None for any influenza. There may already be one for the China virus.

[eagle2180]

See, you didn’t even have to wait a week to learn I was right.

Chem E right? The problem with a lot of engineers is they can process a ton of data. A lot of them never question the data and there lies the problem. You make a lot of assumptions....

[Guisslapp]

Chem E right? The problem with a lot of engineers is they can process a ton of data. A lot of them never question the data and there lies the problem. You make a lot of assumptions....

Barking up the wrong tree, there. I have uttered the phrase “Garbage in, garbage out” more than almost anyone. Data science is one of my “hobbies.”

[eagle2180]

Yet, you shout others down for questioning some of these garbage models?

[eagle2180]

Barking up the wrong tree, there. I have uttered the phrase “Garbage in, garbage out” more than almost anyone. Data science is one of my “hobbies.”

”Hobby” ? As an engineer I would think it to be an essential tool of the profession!

[Guisslapp]

Yet, you shout others down for questioning some of these garbage models?

I think you guys are radically missing the point of these kind of models. When you start with a smallish data set and apply to an exponential model, even tiny data variances can have enormous (50x) difference in the magnitude of the extrapolated results. That is more of a function of the fact that you are dealing with an exponential model than the data quality.

Even if Fauci and Birx picked a conservative model for their projections, it doesn’t change the fact that locking down the country was necessary to stop hundreds of thousands of Americans from unnecessarily dying.

The data is reach enough and syncs up enough with the timeline of policy to see the results in real time.

[Guisslapp]

”Hobby” ? As an engineer I would think it to be an essential tool of the profession!

Not an engineer by profession.

[eagle2180]

I think you guys are radically missing the point of these kind of models. When you start with a smallish data set and apply to an exponential model, even tiny data variances can have enormous (50x) difference in the magnitude of the extrapolated results. That is more of a function of the fact that you are dealing with an exponential model than the data quality.

Even if Fauci and Birx picked a conservative model for their projections, it doesn’t change the fact that locking down the country was necessary to stop hundreds of thousands of Americans from unnecessarily dying.

The data is reach enough and syncs up enough with the timeline of policy to see the results in real time.

Again you are smarter than everyone else. Hundreds of thousands, hyperbole much?

[DawgyNWindow]

If we exceed surge capacity for our local hospitals, what difference does it really make? How does our system not ration in that case?

I have only had one experience with socialized medicine and it was much cheaper and faster the US system. Same day, 100 euro, better drugs. Problem solved. Not that I would project that out over some sort of specialized problem requiring some sort of specialized, limited treatment options, but there are some aspects of socialized medicine that are actually better.

This post was made a month ago, but deserves an updated response.

Their socialized systems will get a lot better once we send them the excess ventilators from our horrible healthcare system here (too bad we can't send them our excess bed capacity as well). Maybe we can send them tests and PPE that work, too (unlike the garbage they are getting from China). I think I saw something today that said all that stuff the Patriots' plane got from China was pretty much useless.

America, F&^% YEAH.

[Guisslapp]

This post was made a month ago, but deserves an updated response.

Their socialized systems will get a lot better once we send them the excess ventilators from our horrible healthcare system here (too bad we can't send them our excess bed capacity as well). Maybe we can send them tests and PPE that work, too (unlike the garbage they are getting from China). I think I saw something today that said all that stuff the Patriots' plane got from China was pretty much useless.

America, F&^% YEAH.

Yet, so much worse than places like South Korea, Singapore and Taiwan (and really all countries except Italy, Spain, France and U.K.).

The common factor between those of that did poorly and those that did well, was not the degree to which our Heath care system is not socialized, but it is more a function of the speed and degree to which social distancing was practiced.

Which makes perfect sense when you consider the compounding effect of transmission in the impact of COVID 19.

[eagle2180]

I think you guys are radically missing the point of these kind of models. When you start with a smallish data set and apply to an exponential model, even tiny data variances can have enormous (50x) difference in the magnitude of the extrapolated results. That is more of a function of the fact that you are dealing with an exponential model than the data quality.

Even if Fauci and Birx picked a conservative model for their projections, it doesn’t change the fact that locking down the country was necessary to stop hundreds of thousands of Americans from unnecessarily dying.

The data is reach enough and syncs up enough with the timeline of policy to see the results in real time.

How much has changed in your life with the lockdown? I can still go to the grocery store (more crowded than usual), I can still go to Walmart(more crowded than usual and I have to wait in line now). I can’t eat dinner out a couple of times a week...other than that my kid is not going to school, work is making some provisions for work at home( 1 person in a company of 500 spread across multiple states has Covid). What has the lockdown really accomplished?

[FriscoDog]

”Hobby” ? As an engineer I would think it to be an essential tool of the profession!

See eagle.. Goosey is a rare find.. Rabbid Trump hater.. expert in all things.. such as law, engineering, medicine, all forms of law, engineering, medicine, foreign policy, manufacturing, farming, security, cooking and baking..

[FriscoDog]

Yet, so much worse than places like South Korea, Singapore and Taiwan (and really all countries except Italy, Spain, France and U.K.).

The common factor between those of that did poorly and those that did well, was not the degree to which our Heath care system is not socialized, but it is more a function of the speed and degree to which social distancing was practiced.

Which makes perfect sense when you consider the compounding effect of transmission in the impact of COVID 19.

BTW.. since you are a HUGE fan of Dr. Fauci.. He said that Trump instituted everything he asked for at the moment he asked. The medias heads exploded.