This is why when it comes to matters of infectious disease control we listen to epidemiologists more so than treating physicians. Their data analysis was weak AF.Originally Posted by DFWDawg
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This is why when it comes to matters of infectious disease control we listen to epidemiologists more so than treating physicians. Their data analysis was weak AF.
These California doctors are now off of Goosey's Christmas card list. Shame on them for not screaming, "the sky is falling!" And "follow the science?" Nah, nah...the only "science" that matters is: Orange Man bad!
Narcissist alert!!! Goosey knows more than these two doctors who have 40+ years real experience and who have real primary data. LOL!
Goosey you are a joke! I would put you on ignore but I need the daily laughs you provide.
Hey! Robert Mueller needs to write a report on C-19. I'm sure it will be as accurate and truthful as his first report. LOL!!!
Don’t listen to me. Listen to their local epidemiologist and public health experts.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bak...80bf9.amp.html
Yes, listen to the Docs who have an agenda, not the common sense Docs.
BTW, these protesters have a deplorable look to them. Anybody else notice that?
An agenda of keeping people safe rather than an agenda of ginning up more business for their local urgent care.
That was tongue in cheek of course, but the “agenda” innuendo is weak minded. You can do better.
Yeah, here's another weak minded Doc who has an agenda. He is deplorable!
https://coronavirustruths.godaddysites.com/?fbclid=IwAR1JYGUuNqtWWN5nRBTJHssQlV36VAW2hYX3Jn76 cHyCATOzjFzSo6fbToE
Reading some of the comments posted on that blog, and others, I think sheltering at home, hiding under the bed, screaming "Orange man bad!" should be left to a personal choice. That's the ever-growing consensus. Make it a personal choice. OPEN everything up! And if you personally are afraid...stay home. But the rest of us have seen enough of this bullshit. What's wrong with that? Aren't libs always spouting off about "choice!?" So, the afraidacats can let their lives go to hell in a handbasket, suffer financial ruin. The bank will have them evicted from their house for failure to pay their mortgage, but! they'll get to keep their bed so they'll have a place to cower.
Personal CHOICE! Stay at home if you wish, or return to your life. Now, who, besides Goosey, can argue with that?
That contains some of the same fallacious analysis of data (around comparing COVID to the flu) as the urgent care owners in Bakersfield.
We do know this is more infective than the flu and that it is more lethal. In 2 months this disease has already killed more Americans than the flu does in a year, and this is with significant efforts to slow the transmission. How many would get the flu and die of it if we implemented the same amount of social distancing during flu season? Logically, it would be fewer as their would be less opportunity for transmission.
Another fact, more than 2k Americans are still dying from this everyday, and this is with significant containment.
Remember, H1N1 killed far more during its second peak in the fall than it did during the spring. There is certainly no guarantees that COVID will do the same, but it certainly warrants cautious consideration of what is likely to happen when folks start intermingling more.
Given some early information about the possibility of reinfection with COVID, there isn’t much certainty that we will be done with this disease if we just pursue the Swedish path to herd immunity. And, therein lies another problem with this both sets of doctor analysis you are posting today - the Sweden data is particularly sparse because they aren’t doing much testing at all.
By your logic shooting people should be a choice. We should make murder legal and those that are afraid should stay indoors.
With this disease, you could pass it to others and kill them without even realizing it.
From the perspective of a the economy, there is some likelihood that an early reopening will lead to a slower, longer recovery. We won’t get back to where we were until ALL folks feel like it is safe to go about their business just like they were in January. Short of that, and there will be fewer customers for services, which is the lifeblood of the American economy.
We need to see actual disease control (shown in reducing case counts) and widespread testing before there is any hope of getting back to where we were in January.
If I shoot someone, they are dead. I can guarantee that. I don't leave wounded behind, I shoot to kill. On the other hand my, and your, returning to normalcy does not guarantee any such thing. MOST people, as these two Cal doctors correctly pointed out, are already moving about and are in close proximity of many, many others. And by extension "more others." I have NOT changed my lifestyle one iota, except that which forced on me, such as I am limited to one door to get into our local Walmart. And Melrose Plantation has been closed for a month now where I worked two days a week doing tours. Other than that...no change whatsoever. I was with three of my contractors yesterday. Guess what! they didn't drop dead on the spot, like they would have had I shot 'em! In fact, I wrote one a rather large check...ugh!
Some years ago, I contracted a rare strain of the flu. Got it while in Europe, and it hit me like a truck...fever of 105F. Spiked, didn't remain there long, although I had fever (101-102F) for several days. Doctor ran tests, said the regular flu vaccine would have no effect on that strain. But now! I should have some immunity to that rare sub-Sahara African Flu...oops! I am being racist referring to it as an "African" flu, but that's what my doctor called it.
Why aren't we seeing thousands, and I mean, many thousands dropping dead in the streets? I will tell you again, there are many folks who have completely ignored all "shelter at home" edicts and have not used PPEs. Not only have they not died, or even gotten sick, but THUS FAR, no one they have come in contact with has either. Early on, like about 6 weeks ago or so, I posted on this forum the early reports of the numbers. I accepted it at face value because I had nothing else to go on. I could try to find that post, but basically I posted that C-19 appeared to be 70 times more lethal than the average flu. I am still maintaining an open mind...as I always do. The latest numbers are showing C-19 is not 70 times more lethal, in fact, nowhere near that. But, we don't know because the data is badly skewed toward recording every death possible as being related to C-19. In some cases, in many cases, the person died and the virus was not the cause of death. And, I know, some people have died in recent months who were not tested so we can ASSUME that MAYBE C-19 was the cause or a great contributor. Or, maybe not. Can't prove a negative. All we DO KNOW is that many of the deaths chalked up in C-19's column is total BS.
I sometimes have fun on this forum and take shots at you, and others, and I sometimes have some fun by posting a little "questionable" information meant to elicit a response...but I have always, when I'm serious, remained firmly entrenched in the FACTS. You, on the other hand, have only remained consistent in your demented "Orange Man bad" rhetoric. When I see a post from someone else I say to myself what your very predictable response is going to be. It's frightening how close...verbatim in a couple of instances...I have been. And I am always right, 100% of the time, in knowing what the premise of your reply will be.
One would think that YOU, someone who professes to be rooted in the pursuit of the truth (real truth, not the Biden kind), would sometimes land on the side of, hmmm...I don't agree with that (criticism of Trump or his administration) and sometimes we would see you post, well, I don't agree totally with what Trump said about this XYZ matter, but Pelosi and the Dems have it totally wrong. But...we never do. It's always "Orange Man wrong!" and dead silence about any other viewpoints.
All of this to say, I will continue to live in the real world, and I will continue to root for Americans and America! You...well, you can have your TDS-induced globalist views and continue to have negative credibility.
If you are going to compare the mortality rate to flu, you gotta do an apples to apples comparison. If you are gonna count asymptomatic coronavirus cases, you gotta do the same for the flu. The reported flu mortality rates DON’T include asymptomatic cases.
The actual data shows COVID is both more infectious and more lethal and the combination of the two is enough to cause major problems for health systems and the continuation of everyday life.
And here we go.. Illinois state guvmt wants US Taxpayers to pay 10B to shore up states heavily underfunded pension plans.. Yeah.. that would be a big No.. from me.. Don't see that happening at all..
The problem with your data is that you are guessing.. the experts are guessing.. they really don't have the denominator as to who all has been exposed. There are new reports coming out every day that show through extrapolation that hundreds of thousands of people in LA, MIA, NYC have the antibody virus in their system, thus having been exposed. Having the antibody doesn't mean they won't get sick again, it just means that they have been exposed and are much less likely to either get sick, or get very sick and die if they were to contract the disease again.
It is true we don't know the exact numbers for the annual flu outbreaks. We have some good estimates based on decades of data gathered, but they are still just estimates. But, we really don't know anything at all about the C-19 virus and its numbers. And that's one of the points of contention. We shut down the whole country based on.....what? Someone's "good guess?" The early returns from NY is that 14% of the population may "have had" the virus and most did not know it. It is stated, and I guess readily accepted as factual, that 61 million Americans had the Swine Flu 2009-10 and 12,500 Americans died from it. Is it possible that even more had it? Yeah. Is it possible that more than 12,500 Americans died from it? Yeah. And it's also possible both of those numbers were actually lower too.
To me, everything is relative. Based on what we do know today, April 25, 2020, it appears we have over-reacted to the C-19 outbreak and that those measures taken, should have been more targeted. As the two Cal doctors stated, and many agree, we should quarantine the sick, not the healthy. That's how other highly contagious diseases, small pox, cholera, the bubonic plaque, TB,...etc...have been handled in the past. Why has this been handled so differently? Oh I know! the answer is gonna be "no testing." But, we have NEVER, not ever! used "testing" as a measure to deal with any dangerous outbreaks, whether that be a killing flu epidemic or some other disease.
Is the SCIENCE really behind the decision-making? I want to believe it is, but I am not naïve, and see other factors that are influencing public policy. But, I will maintain an open mind and continue to rake it all in.
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