Covid - 19

[dawg80]

Since I can’t read the article can you answer my question?

According to the article Tucker Carlson had a medical researcher on his show March 18 who spoke about HCQ's potential, and Trump "first mentions it" on March 19. That's publicly mentions it, at a press conference. But, Laura Ingraham had that same researcher on her show a week before, and the possible use of HCQ had been mentioned for at least a week on various shows and networks. Some with more enthusiasm than others... But, Trump had been briefed on HCQ and its possible use to treat virus patients in the first week of March. He hosted a meeting on March 4 that included the researcher, Rigano.

So, it is just stupidly wrong to think Trump watched Tucker's show and had an ah hah! moment. Momentum had been building with many sources touting HCQ as a possible treatment.

[Guisslapp]

According to the article Tucker Carlson had a medical researcher on his show March 18 who spoke about HCQ's potential, and Trump "first mentions it" on March 19. That's publicly mentions it, at a press conference. But, Laura Ingraham had that same researcher on her show a week before, and the possible use of HCQ had been mentioned for at least a week on various shows and networks. Some with more enthusiasm than others... But, Trump had been briefed on HCQ and its possible use to treat virus patients in the first week of March. He hosted a meeting on March 4 that included the researcher, Rigano.

So, it is just stupidly wrong to think Trump watched Tucker's show and had an ah hah! moment. Momentum had been building with many sources touting HCQ as a possible treatment.

Trump met with Rigano on March 4?

[FriscoDog]

This desire to open things up has driving some in left wing MSM to ask or say that all of us who value "freedom" is a dangerous thing...


This MSN dude, Anand Giridharadas, wants to know?

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There’s a primordial American tradition going back to the founders of being freedom-obsessed, even though we’re a country founded on slavery and genocide,” Giridharadas continued. “Being freedom-obsessed to the point where we’re always so afraid of the government coming for us that we’re blind to other types of threats, whether it’s a virus, whether it’s bank malfeasance, climate change, what have you.”

[PawDawg]

This desire to open things up has driving some in left wing MSM to ask or say that all of us who value "freedom" is a dangerous thing...


This MSN dude, Anand Giridharadas, wants to know?

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There’s a primordial American tradition going back to the founders of being freedom-obsessed, even though we’re a country founded on slavery and genocide,” Giridharadas continued. “Being freedom-obsessed to the point where we’re always so afraid of the government coming for us that we’re blind to other types of threats, whether it’s a virus, whether it’s bank malfeasance, climate change, what have you.”

Yes, we'd all lump the China Virus and Climate Change together.

[FriscoDog]

Don't know if you guys have seen this, but it's been on the news a lot here in Dallas. Made national news as well
Dallas salon owner jailed for defying virus shutdown DALLAS -- A Texas' judge's decision to jail a hair salon owner for defying restrictions meant to limit the spread of the coronavirus has drawn criticism from the governor and state attorney general. Shelley Luther was booked in the Dallas County jail on Tuesday afternoon following a video hearing during which she was found in contempt of court and sentenced to a week behind bars. The hearing occurred as Gov. Greg Abbott relaxed more coronavirus restrictions statewide, allowing barbershops and hair salons to reopen FridayDallas County Judge Eric Moye said during the hearing that he would consider levying a fine instead of jail time if Luther would apologize and not reopen until she was allowed to do so, but Luther refused.

“Feeding my kids is not selfish,” she told Moye. “If you think the law is more important than kids getting fed, then please go ahead with your decision, but I am not going to shut the salon.”
Moye wrote in his judgment of contempt: “The defiance of the court’s order was open, flagrant and intentional.” He noted that despite being given the opportunity to apologize, Luther “expressed no contrition, remorse or regret” for her actions.


So Moye seems so egotistical that if she apologized to him, and bowed down to the government, he would not put her in jail.. Apparently someone setup a gofundme account and already hit almost 250K in 24 hours.

[FriscoDog]

Yes, we'd all lump the China Virus and Climate Change together.

Why do you like freedom so much??? It's like that old saying.. "people on the inside can't explain it.. and people on the outside can't understand it.."

[DawgyNWindow]

This desire to open things up has driving some in left wing MSM to ask or say that all of us who value "freedom" is a dangerous thing...


This MSN dude, Anand Giridharadas, wants to know?

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There’s a primordial American tradition going back to the founders of being freedom-obsessed, even though we’re a country founded on slavery and genocide,” Giridharadas continued. “Being freedom-obsessed to the point where we’re always so afraid of the government coming for us that we’re blind to other types of threats, whether it’s a virus, whether it’s bank malfeasance, climate change, what have you.”

Sounds like he is unhappy here. He is "free" to leave.

[FriscoDog]

Apparently this whole lockdown is not having the effects that experts and lawmakers intended. In New York, 66% of the new admissions to hospitals for Covid-19 in the last 3 days have been from people who have been staying at home. They have not been going outside, they have not been taking public transportation, or private transportation. So how effective is the lockdown? Even Gov Cuomo said that this is surprising and he doesn't have an answer. Meanwhile NYC Mayor Deblasio said that NYC won't reopen until NYC gets the 7 billion more federal money that he wanted for lost tax revenue. Well you still have businesses shut down, so they can't earn money to provide you that tax revenue.. so sorry charlie..

[Guisslapp]

Apparently this whole lockdown is not having the effects that experts and lawmakers intended. In New York, 66% of the new admissions to hospitals for Covid-19 in the last 3 days have been from people who have been staying at home. They have not been going outside, they have not been taking public transportation, or private transportation. So how effective is the lockdown? Even Gov Cuomo said that this is surprising and he doesn't have an answer. Meanwhile NYC Mayor Deblasio said that NYC won't reopen until NYC gets the 7 billion more federal money that he wanted for lost tax revenue. Well you still have businesses shut down, so they can't earn money to provide you that tax revenue.. so sorry charlie..

Your first statement isn’t necessarily true. The new hospitalizations are going down. That is the predicted effect.

The fact that others that don’t go out is also predictable. Especially nursing homes, which was 18% of the new cases coming into New York hospitals.

What this actually proves is that isolating the vulnerable doesn’t work. People that are isolated still see people that aren’t, though it is at a reduced rate than if they went out themselves. As a greater percentage of the population gets infected, the odds go up that someone that is bunkered down will be exposed through someone that isn’t.

[DawgyNWindow]

Apparently this whole lockdown is not having the effects that experts and lawmakers intended. In New York, 66% of the new admissions to hospitals for Covid-19 in the last 3 days have been from people who have been staying at home. They have not been going outside, they have not been taking public transportation, or private transportation. So how effective is the lockdown? Even Gov Cuomo said that this is surprising and he doesn't have an answer. Meanwhile NYC Mayor Deblasio said that NYC won't reopen until NYC gets the 7 billion more federal money that he wanted for lost tax revenue. Well you still have businesses shut down, so they can't earn money to provide you that tax revenue.. so sorry charlie..

When they quarantine you in the hospital, they make sure you are in a sealed section of the hospital and not sharing air or germs with any of the other parts. In a high rise apartment building (some of which were built 100 or more years ago) how much "sharing" of germs is going on? My guess is quite a bit. Quarantining you with sick people is akin to what they used to do with the chicken pox before the vaccine....put all the kids in the tub together and let them all get it and get through it.

Cuomo has the tax thing figured out. He is taxing all those good Samaritans that answered the call to come to New York from other states and cities to help them with the virus. JERK!

Nursing homes continue to suffer greatly because Cuomo made them take in Covid patients. Genius.

Cuomo has been a disaster.

[Guisslapp]

When they quarantine you in the hospital, they make sure you are in a sealed section of the hospital and not sharing air or germs with any of the other parts. In a high rise apartment building (some of which were built 100 or more years ago) how much "sharing" of germs is going on? My guess is quite a bit. Quarantining you with sick people is akin to what they used to do with the chicken pox before the vaccine....put all the kids in the tub together and let them all get it and get through it.

Cuomo has the tax thing figured out. He is taxing all those good Samaritans that answered the call to come to New York from other states and cities to help them with the virus. JERK!

Nursing homes continue to suffer greatly because Cuomo made them take in Covid patients. Genius.

Cuomo has been a disaster.

That is not what happens in most nursing homes. In most nursing homes it is one of the workers that brings it in, and then it spreads like wildfire.

[Guisslapp]

Trump met with Rigano on March 4?

Dawg80? Is that what you were saying happened?

[DawgyNWindow]

That is not what happens in most nursing homes. In most nursing homes it is one of the workers that brings it in, and then it spreads like wildfire.

Nope. Not the NY nursing homes. They were forced to take Covid 19 patients. This was especially STUPID because they had empty temp hospitals and a Navy hospital ship set up with virtually no patients they could have used.

Protecting the vulnerable would indeed work. You pay people to work AND LIVE in the nursing homes until this is over. Pay them well. Keep the economy open. Keep people working.

Cuomo blew it. He is horrible.

[Guisslapp]

Nope. Not the NY nursing homes. They were forced to take Covid 19 patients. This was especially STUPID because they had empty temp hospitals and a Navy hospital ship set up with virtually no patients they could have used.

Protecting the vulnerable would indeed work. You pay people to work AND LIVE in the nursing homes until this is over. Pay them well. Keep the economy open. Keep people working.

Cuomo blew it. He is horrible.

Most of these homes don’t have places for the workers to live. Is the state prepared to pay all the overtime to keep workers there around the clock? Most of these folks make little more than minimum wage and have their own family obligations outside their job.

I am interested to better understand your isolation strategy, because I know of no state that has figured out how to do it effectively yet.

Btw, since early April, Louisiana is no longer reporting clusters in Louisiana nursing homes.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.waf...outputType=amp

[DawgyNWindow]

Most of these homes don’t have places for the workers to live. Is the state prepared to pay all the overtime to keep workers there around the clock? Most of these folks make little more than minimum wage and have their own family obligations outside their job.

I am interested to better understand your isolation strategy, because I know of no state that has figured out how to do it effectively yet.

Btw, since early April, Louisiana is no longer reporting clusters in Louisiana nursing homes.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.waf...outputType=amp

Yeah, it's obviously cheaper to eschew all state revenues, completely shut down an economy and pump 6 trillion (so far) dollars into a non-functional system rather than making accommodations for workers (and their families) to attend to the vulnerable among us and paying them overtime (I'd pay them a lot more than overtime....heck you could pay them a million each for giving up their life for three or four months and come out cheaper than we are now).

Louisiana did not force nursing homes to take Covid 19 patients, as far as I am aware. Maybe you know different. Either way the elderly have been treated horribly in all this.

If you are isolating in one of the apartment complexes I described, which is many/most of them in NYC, you are not really isolating as much as you are exposing yourself to everything in the building. Heaven help you if you have to take your little metrosexual yap dog down to poop on the sidewalk and go get groceries, because then you are touching elevator buttons and door handles and breathing in the farts and sneezes of the folks that passed that way in the last ten minutes.

If you are under 50 and have none of the conditions that cause issues, you should be at work (social distancing, but working none the less). This isn't the plague or Ebola. It's not even as bad as the flu epidemic of 1918 (note I did not say "Spanish" flu because I don't want someone on here to start killing off Spaniards out of spite).